Paddling in Schools?

[miller]

I happened to be browsing the internet and I came across a girl who was suspended from school because her dress was "too short and to revealing up top." Apparently 18 people were in violation and the other 17 were paddled. My question is are school districts around you still allowing paddling, and do you feel it is correct or incorrect.

My views are the negative reinforcement from paddling will lead young adults to distrust school and schoolworkers, reinforcing the stereotype that school is a prison. Many of the children that are troublesome have troubled home lives and other issues that should be addressed rather than just physical punishment. And such severe punishment for such little amounts of disobedience A) limits what punishment can be held for high acts, B) negatively affect the schools image.

[Khyron]

ohhh im not touching this one with a 10 foot pole!

[greenpigs]

It doesnt matter much after maybe 5th grade.

[moparstuart]

It doesnt matter much after maybe 5th grade.

I agree  , I whole heartedly believe in paddleing but after 5th or 6th grade its a moot point .

PS especially with my amazon kids who are big enough to hurt me back by then 

[PocketThunder]

Are you serious?  17 kids were paddled because of their short skirts and tops?  I highly doubt this would even happen in this day and age.  Hell that went out of style in the schools when i was in grade school back in the 80's.  Show us the link to the story please.   

[miller]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/01/dnt.suspended.over.prom.dress.wbrc

[stripedelete]

I'll go ahead and draw the fire........

I think corporal punishment is still legal but not practiced by most school districts.  School systems can't afford the law suites.

Too bad.   IMO we would have less school school shootings if we had more paddling - especially at home.     

[PocketThunder]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/01/dnt.suspended.over.prom.dress.wbrc

Holy Crap!  The students choose paddleing over a 3 day suspension..  Who got to do the paddleing?  The principle?..??  Khyron??

And i see nothing wrong with that dress, but it did violate the school rules.  but still, 

[twodko]

In large part I agree with moparstuart however there is a great deal to be said about corporal punishment in schools. Back in the day when I got into trouble at school there was always the phone call they made to my parents. The corporal punishment came when I got home........in spades. I didn't grow up mean, cruel and mad at the world because I got my ass spanked but I did clearly learn where the line was. Parents are the only ones who should be paddling their kids. The ultra left wingers/ACLU who are aghast at spanking a child are part of the problem IMO. Parents hands are tied by these knuckleheads as are the police, school administrators( as far as zero tolerance goes) etc. We all know the difference between paddling a kid and beating a kid, we don't need the ultra left or shysters defining that for us.
Its a different world nowadays. In many, many instances both parents must work to make ends meet which has produced latchkey kids. These kids grow up with little or no supervision, they're learning about life from their peers and from the street. I'm not excusing the kids nor am I excusing the parents its just the reality of life now. It's a helluva dilemma and I certainly don't have the answers. What I do know is if my child misbehaves at school, in public or at home I will be the disciplinarian......period.

OK, I've stepped of my soapbox.

Tom

[dkn1997]

club kids, not seals!!   

[dkn1997]

In large part I agree with moparstuart however there is a great deal to be said about corporal punishment in schools. Back in the day when I got into trouble at school there was always the phone call they made to my parents. The corporal punishment came when I got home........in spades. I didn't grow up mean, cruel and mad at the world because I got my ass spanked but I did clearly learn where the line was. Parents are the only ones who should be paddling their kids. The ultra left wingers/ACLU who are aghast at spanking a child are part of the problem IMO. Parents hands are tied by these knuckleheads as are the police, school administrators( as far as zero tolerance goes) etc. We all know the difference between paddling a kid and beating a kid, we don't need the ultra left or shysters defining that for us.
Its a different world nowadays. In many, many instances both parents must work to make ends meet which has produced latchkey kids. These kids grow up with little or no supervision, they're learning about life from their peers and from the street. I'm not excusing the kids nor am I excusing the parents its just the reality of life now. It's a helluva dilemma and I certainly don't have the answers. What I do know is if my child misbehaves at school, in public or at home I will be the disciplinarian......period.

OK, I've stepped of my soapbox.

Tom

I agree with a lot that... but both parents working doesn't have to make this type of reality where kids are on the streets.  too many parents use the "boo hoo we both have to work" as an excuse not to parent.  My mom was divorced the year before I started kindergarten in 74.  You can bet that woman knew every move I made.  If I rode my bike on a busy road I wasn't supposed to be on, she knew before she even walked in the door from work that night.  Still don't know how she blew me up so many times lol... 

[tricky lugnuts]

This disturbing incident just happened in my neck of the woods:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100402/LOCAL/4020345/Use-of-Taser-on-boy-10-questioned

I hate to say that beating kids (corporal punishment) should be condoned: as others said, it could reinforce negative behaviors, etc. and is probably useless after fifth or sixth grade. I also question a school district's authority to make such decisions. To me it seems like a decision the parent should be making. If it gets to the point where the schools have no other choice, the student should just be expelled. Let the parent pay someone to deal with their stupid kid and his temper tantrums.

But I (who have no kids) find myself thinking what I would do if I had a child who absolutely refused to do what he or she was told, was constantly acting out and obnoxious, disgracing myself and others, and such... My fiancee and I were talking about it the other day. No comment!

As far as disturbing, anybody catch this story about stupid kids and stupid people:

http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2010/04/02/news/doc4bb4b6a577fd0188842733.tx

[Ponch ®]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/01/dnt.suspended.over.prom.dress.wbrc

I'd like to paddle her...*







*upon her reaching legal adult age.

[skip68]

Here is my  .   Back in the day it may have been ok but in this day and age it is not and should not be allowed.      We had something like this happen to us in Tenn. with our son and I made it very clear to the school that spanking my children WAS MY JOB.  We have taught our children that NO'ONE IS TO EVER TOUCH THEM.  If the school has a problem they call mom or dad and that's it.     You do not touch my children, you come to me.  I DON'T CARE WHAT MY KIDS DONE, YOU DON'T TOUCH THEM, YOU COME TO ME.       I won't let you hit my dog and I sure as hell won't let you hit my kids.   I know some of you may think it's ok but it's not.  These are your children and they need to feel safe.  DO NOT TEACH THEM IT'S OK FOR A PERSON OTHER THAN MOM OR DAD TO TOUCH THEM IN ANY WAY.  THIS IS YOUR JOB SO DO IT.   I've seen what happens when things go wrong and you can't take it back.        To many bad things happen to children these days with people you trust.       

These kids are 17 ?       WTF kind of pervert even had the idea of spanking them ?  I told my wife it had to be back in the south east because of they way of thinking involved.      I don't mean you guys back there are stupid, I mean the stupid way of thinking or lack there of from these schools.   

Chuck.......

[MoparManJim]

Okay, how can I say this in a nice and polite way  . Teens today don't have any respect for them selfs. Or for anyone else for that matter. They let there hormones do most of the talking kinda. I can go to the mall over town and there is teen girls that are walking in the mall that hardly has any pants on! they have cut offs way up above the line  . There stuff is almost hanging out as the clothing is that short. In the middle of winter they wear short short pants as well  . You know where the blaim really lays at? At the parents for not bring there kids up better then that. Half these kids goes to school in the same kind of clothing that is way to short to be in school anyways.

Half the males are no better as they leave there pants at half mask and there butt cracks out in the open  . Just yesterday my two cousins and I was over town and at this one gas station this vehicle pulled in. This young man jump out of the vehicle and low and behold his pants drumped down exposing his his butt half way  . He didn't seem to care it looked like as he turn around for minutes to reach back in the vehicle for afew seconds and left his so called pants hang down alittle. My cousin and I couldn't help but look as our vehicle was facing that very direction. We just shouke our heads.   

Over in the local mall area, half the young ladys (in there teens) with low low blosehests with almost everything falling out! Some even has has if you want to call it short cut off pants on but yet they are cut so dang high up that there is hardley anything left. Also half of them has I think at least a pack of make up on to  .  I think the problem lays with the parents more then anything not teaching there children better.

If your going to send a teen to school, send them to school with cloths on and not with low cut offs or in cloths that are short. Maybe the teachers are getting tired of seeming it as well 

[moparstuart]

Here is my  .   Back in the day it may have been ok but in this day and age it is not and should not be allowed.      We had something like this happen to us in Tenn. with our son and I made it very clear to the school that spanking my children WAS MY JOB.  We have taught our children that NO'ONE IS TO EVER TOUCH THEM.  If the school has a problem they call mom or dad and that's it.     You do not touch my children, you come to me.  I DON'T CARE WHAT MY KIDS DONE, YOU DON'T TOUCH THEM, YOU COME TO ME.       I won't let you hit my dog and I sure as hell won't let you hit my kids.   I know some of you may think it's ok but it's not.  These are your children and they need to feel safe.  DO NOT TEACH THEM IT'S OK FOR A PERSON OTHER THAN MOM OR DAD TO TOUCH THEM IN ANY WAY.  THIS IS YOUR JOB SO DO IT.   I've seen what happens when things go wrong and you can't take it back.        To many bad things happen to children these days with people you trust.       

These kids are 17 ?       WTF kind of pervert even had the idea of spanking them ?  I told my wife it had to be back in the south east because of they way of thinking involved.      I don't mean you guys back there are stupid, I mean the stupid way of thinking or lack there of from these schools.   

Chuck.......

chuck you told me you liked to be spanked   

[skip68]

Here is my  .   Back in the day it may have been ok but in this day and age it is not and should not be allowed.      We had something like this happen to us in Tenn. with our son and I made it very clear to the school that spanking my children WAS MY JOB.  We have taught our children that NO'ONE IS TO EVER TOUCH THEM.  If the school has a problem they call mom or dad and that's it.     You do not touch my children, you come to me.  I DON'T CARE WHAT MY KIDS DONE, YOU DON'T TOUCH THEM, YOU COME TO ME.       I won't let you hit my dog and I sure as hell won't let you hit my kids.   I know some of you may think it's ok but it's not.  These are your children and they need to feel safe.  DO NOT TEACH THEM IT'S OK FOR A PERSON OTHER THAN MOM OR DAD TO TOUCH THEM IN ANY WAY.  THIS IS YOUR JOB SO DO IT.   I've seen what happens when things go wrong and you can't take it back.        To many bad things happen to children these days with people you trust.       

These kids are 17 ?       WTF kind of pervert even had the idea of spanking them ?  I told my wife it had to be back in the south east because of they way of thinking involved.      I don't mean you guys back there are stupid, I mean the stupid way of thinking or lack there of from these schools.   

Chuck.......

chuck you told me you liked to be spanked     

Hey Stuart,
I hate to be the one to tell you this but,.....Chuck say's that to ALL the Mopar Men in his life!!!  (Although he has a "special" place in his heart for the Kansas Mafia men!  ) 

Mrs.Skip68

[moparstuart]

Here is my  .   Back in the day it may have been ok but in this day and age it is not and should not be allowed.      We had something like this happen to us in Tenn. with our son and I made it very clear to the school that spanking my children WAS MY JOB.  We have taught our children that NO'ONE IS TO EVER TOUCH THEM.  If the school has a problem they call mom or dad and that's it.     You do not touch my children, you come to me.  I DON'T CARE WHAT MY KIDS DONE, YOU DON'T TOUCH THEM, YOU COME TO ME.       I won't let you hit my dog and I sure as hell won't let you hit my kids.   I know some of you may think it's ok but it's not.  These are your children and they need to feel safe.  DO NOT TEACH THEM IT'S OK FOR A PERSON OTHER THAN MOM OR DAD TO TOUCH THEM IN ANY WAY.  THIS IS YOUR JOB SO DO IT.   I've seen what happens when things go wrong and you can't take it back.        To many bad things happen to children these days with people you trust.       

These kids are 17 ?       WTF kind of pervert even had the idea of spanking them ?  I told my wife it had to be back in the south east because of they way of thinking involved.      I don't mean you guys back there are stupid, I mean the stupid way of thinking or lack there of from these schools.   

Chuck.......

chuck you told me you liked to be spanked     

Hey Stuart,
I hate to be the one to tell you this but,.....Chuck say's that to ALL the Mopar Men in his life!!!  (Although he has a "special" place in his heart for the Kansas Mafia men!  ) 

Mrs.Skip68

     

[skip68]

The other thing about this that is sick is the age of the girls.   Just how we started to joke about being spanked in a sexual way there are some that truly get off on that.   Now, if these are young children 10 or younger I still say it's wrong but it is what it is.   When you start to spank a young woman/damn near adult it is not about discipline anymore at that age.  It becomes more of a sick pleasure.   Can you imagine what it would be like if a judge told a 17 year old girl that got a ticket ("if you let me spank you you can go, or you can pay the fine")    ? ? ? ?   This is the same as what happened here.  It is not normal to spank a young adult.   This goes right back to what I was talking about before.   There are alot of sick people in the world and most of the one's are not strangers, it's the one's we trust with our children.   Most of us wouldn't trust these people from the school with our cars for a day because we don't loan out our Chargers but yet we trust them with our children.  So, same rules as with the cars.... DON'T LET THEM TOUCH THEM.   

       Jim, I know what you mean but off the point a bit.      My parents dressed in a way that their parents hated.  I dressed the way my parents hated.       And now my kids will dress the way we hate but that's just the way fashions change with each generation.         

Now, if we are done here I need to get back to planning on how I'm going to spank my neighbors 17 year old daughter because she looks like she needs it.   And after all, I just want to help her learn right from wrong.   

[skip68]

Oh yah,  I got spanked by the Kansas Mafia and I liked it.   

[69_500]

Personally I see nothing wrong with a school spanking a child. I don't care if  they are 17 or even 18. If they misbehave sometimes its the only thing that gets the point across. As far as a parent being the only to spank a child, I disagree. I remember being a kid and acting up at others houses and getting a spanking from them, and then getting another one when I got home and my parents were told of what I had done. If my son goes to a friends house and does something bad I have no problem with them spanking him and he knows it too.

[MoparManJim]

       Jim, I know what you mean but off the point a bit.      My parents dressed in a way that their parents hated.  I dressed the way my parents hated.       And now my kids will dress the way we hate but that's just the way fashions change with each generation.         

askly Chuck, it's on the point, and it's where the whole issue originaly starts at with kids wearing stuff that will get them in throuble  . If you let your kids do it they when they get older they will think it's okay to do it yet. If a parent would step up to the kid nad make them dress right then all these issues wouldn't be here. Remember each issue has a starting point and to see how to fix the issue you have to trace it back to where it really started at in the first place. Kids and teens doesn't know better, it's the parent job to teach them. 

Now if the parents of that girl would have made her wear a dress that was longer then the one she wear then none of that trouble would have started. 

[skip68]

If my son goes to a friends house and does something bad I have no problem with them spanking him and he knows it too.

I understand that but the problem is some people go to far.   Some will spank over nothing.  Some may smack a kid to hard.  Everbody has a different level of discipline and every child reacts differently.  These are just some basic rules of parenting I practice.  Don't ever spank/slap/smack another persons child.  They have parents and that's their job.  That's a line you just don't cross even if it's hard.   

Your rules are not the same as mine.  You may spank your kid for drinking a soda when he's not allowed to and I won't.  Now, if you spanked my kid for drinking a soda without permission, you and I are going to have a problem.  Every house your children go to will have just a little different rules.   This is a good reason why you don't touch other peoples kids.  They must obey the rules of the house they are in but any type of spanking must be done by the parents of the child.  If my kid does something wrong and won't listen, you send his ass home.  I don't care who you are you have no right to touch my kid.  I will come get him and take care of it because that's my job.    +1

[bull]

I have a major problem with this thread, that being there's no "e" in the word paddling.

[skip68]

Sorry to go on more but I've seen this first hand of what can happen when it goes to far.    69_500, I guess you've been lucky and nothing bad has happened to you or your kids.  But why take the chance ?  Not trying to fight with you just trying to get another side.      I asked my in-laws back in Tenn. why the hell do they think it's ok for other people to have a free-for-all on smacking our kids ?    They say it's because that's the way they were raised.  So I say, what happens when your kid does something wrong and the kid gets hurt bad because the discipline got out of control ?   This pissed me off.....  The response I got was "well, he shouldn't of been doing something wrong".....      

This is the kind of southern mentality we had to deal with that explained why a lot of them are very simple people.  When I say simple it does NOT mean dumb, it just means they don't know any better/different.  

[Mike DC]

  
If you're paddling kids when they're young then you shouldn't ever need to hit them hard enough to risk any real injury.  Probably not even close.  I'm not saying I approve or disapprove of this either way, I'm just saying the prospect of really injuring them shouldn't be an issue.

 

When the kids are older than mid gradeschool it has become pointless.  If parents or authorities can't control a junior high age kid without sheer physical force/violence, it's a lost battle.  They'll end up getting controlled by adults with real brutal beatings and not much else is likely to be in store for them. 

 

[John_Kunkel]

I got paddled at home and I got paddled at school and none of that paddling made me change my behavior, it merely made more intent on not getting caught again.

[Todd Wilson]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/01/dnt.suspended.over.prom.dress.wbrc

I'd like to paddle her...*






*upon her reaching legal adult age.

You be holdin a a sista down!

[bull]

I got paddled at home and I got paddled at school and none of that paddling made me change my behavior, it merely made more intent on not getting caught again.

Many/most kids will try to avoid any punishment, corporal or not. I don't see how that's really a factor.

[miller]

I have a major problem with this thread, that being there's no "e" in the word paddling.

Wow, my apologies there, I didn't even catch that. Thanks!

[bull]

I have a major problem with this thread, that being there's no "e" in the word paddling.

Wow, my apologies there, I didn't even catch that. Thanks!

I do have a thing about spelling, but I'm just messing with you.

[dkn1997]

Personally I see nothing wrong with a school spanking a child. I don't care if  they are 17 or even 18. If they misbehave sometimes its the only thing that gets the point across. As far as a parent being the only to spank a child, I disagree. I remember being a kid and acting up at others houses and getting a spanking from them, and then getting another one when I got home and my parents were told of what I had done. If my son goes to a friends house and does something bad I have no problem with them spanking him and he knows it too.

agreed....and i'm being serious when I say this even though it sounds like I'm being a smartass, but i think a smack in the head is more appropriate for older kids.  An ear flick works too. 

[Charger440RDN]

 I think that in the south they don't view spanking kids or spanking kids in public as a big deal. I was in Jackson, TN last week visiting in-laws and I saw several children get spanked in public and nobody looked twice. You just don't see that in most norhtern states, where DCFS would be called immediately and the kids would be taken away. The south is a different old fashioned culture.
 
I also notice that in the south the kids say "yes sir" & "no sir"  the kids are a lot more respectful of adults than kids up north.

[Brock Lee]

In my area that crap was sort of phased out a year or two before my grade, but once in a while it still happened as the teachers were used to it. I recall in middle school a teacher hit a student. After school the kid and his older brother waited out by the teachers car and the teacher was stabbed!

I have a better understanding with the kids today than most my age. I was kind of rare in my youth as I realized there was nothing anyone could do to me that was "serious". Getting hit was no big deal, being grounded was a joke and if my father crossed the line, I could have him sent to jail. So I was out of control rebellious. This has been passed on and today most all kids realize that they are pretty much untouchable. The ones that decide they want to rebel can really make life difficult. Hitting them would never change that. I guess in years past kids were concerned what their parents thought of them. That has changed on a large scale, but some kids do still care.

[Tilar]

Short and sweet: YES they should be spanked, and if the parent doesn't come along behind and do the same thing then they should have some sort of punishment in the way of a fine or something. My boys knew that if I heard from their principle that they were not going to be having a very good night.

I work at a school and see how many of these little bastards have no respect. You can pinpoint the families that have discipline in one way or the other and the ones that don't. And the ones that don't are the only kids that need punished to begin with. The others know better. All a whacking hurts is their pride anyway. Go for it.

[Ponch ®]

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/01/dnt.suspended.over.prom.dress.wbrc

I'd like to paddle her...*






*upon her reaching legal adult age.

You be holdin a a sista down!

wouldnt be the first or last time I've done that...

[Mefirst]

Working in healthcare (Intensivecare), I see so many messed up kids, who I do sincerely believe would NOT be as fu..messed up, if they had got their asses kicked from time to time at home, like my generation got..

I'm at work right now and I'm looking at 3 young stupid fu.. shit heads, at this writing moment, messed up, cause they felt bad, and decided to chew on a little to many pills... I just don't understand what the hell is wrong with young kids today -Yes, there were those messed up in my generation to, but not like the kids today..

My

[Black Charger]

I won't be a bit surprised to see that school district sued over this. The very idea of spanking teenage girls for wearing a too short prom dress sounds like a plot from a porn movie. Whoever thought this was actually a good idea is a sick pervert who should be brought up on charges. If they want to suspend the girls (or make them do odd jobs around the school like mop floors, etc), that is fine, but to actually paddle them? If that were my daughter, I would be giving the paddler a beating they would NEVER forget!

By the way, I agree 100% with what skip68 has said on this subject.

[TylerCharger69]

Okay...I can't resist this thread so here are my 2 cents....I firmly believe in a good, old fashioned, behind the woodshed ass-whoopin'.  When should we spank?  Well.....don't spank when you are angry over the situation....send the child to their room knowing it's coming so they can stew on it awhile, and it gives you a moment to cool down.  When your cool down period has passed....THEN go and do the deed, and explain after the duty has been fulfilled as to why the child got spanked and make sure they understand why as well.  Some parents can just start wailing out of anger, and that leads to an abusive situation.  Cool down a few minutes first!!!   As far as being spanked for improper attire at school....well, that's a bit harsh.  The worst ass-whoopin' I ever got was in school...and believe me....it wasn't a spanking...it was more like a flogging!!!  I had purple strips on my butt that produced water blisters...literally.  What did my dad say about it?...."Well it's about time somebody blistered your ass!!"  It was uncalled for...even as a parent remembering that.  Now as far as the school administering corporal punishment?...Well....the parents need to give permission first of all...and a witness needs to be present during the ceremonies.   Time out?   YEAH RIGHT!!!!  You haven't met my kids when they were younger....they would LOVE to have a time out!!!....pleeeeease.....

[KS71owner]

The paddle was always an option when I was a kid when I lived in Texas, but about the only time it got used was when Coach caught us swearing in PE or fighting. I only saw it used twice, and only on me once when Coach caught me swearing in the locker room.

I don't have kids yet but I can say I don't have a problem with corporal punishment if it is used responsibly. My parents didn't have to do it often but I did catch a few whacks once or twice, and I had to screw up pretty badly to get it. I think I turned out ok, but that's just my opinion  .