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[HITMAN 149]

I love BLACK SABBATH 

In the real world Randy Rhodes was'nt fit to carry Tonny Iommi's lunch box.

ohhhh boy thems is fightin words!!!!  lol

[Jonas_N]

You bet I do. 
(The black sabbath sticker was on the car when I bought it.)

[Hemidog]

The scow looks great!

[THE STIG]

ohhhh boy thems is fightin words!!!!   lol

It's true you gotta look at the whole body of work, not just "War Pigs" "Iron Man" and "Paranoid". In the later Sabbath stuff Tony started to let his attachments hang out a little more and got a lot more speed into his leads. Go listen to the song "Trashed" on the "Born Again" album and compare that to whatever you think is Rhodes' best work and see if your not persuaded just a little bit.

[Ryan]

ohhhh boy thems is fightin words!!!!   lol

It's true you gotta look at the whole body of work, not just "War Pigs" "Iron Man" and "Paranoid". In the later Sabbath stuff Tony started to let his attachments hang out a little more and got a lot more speed into his leads. Go listen to the song "Trashed" on the "Born Again" album and compare that to whatever you think is Rhodes' best work and see if your not persuaded just a little bit.

Comparing the two of them is like comparing apples and oranges. Rhoads was a trained guitarists who had most of his influences from classic styled guitar playing, not rock, or heavy metal. He was a much better and skilled player than tony was. However tony still holds his own, he wrote great riffs and a distinctive sound all his own. And BTW speed does not determine good guitar playing

[moparmoynihan]

In my opinion, Diary of a Madman is an AWESOME Guitar record. Its in my top 5 records of all time. Randy was a great player, and was very, very good for his age. He died very young without growing to his fullest potential. The argument of Rhoads vs. Iommi is silly. If it wasn't for Iommi, in my opinion, there would be know Rhoads. Of course he would have still have become a guitar player for Quiet Riot, then possibly Ozzy, but the drop tuning of Iommi started the whole Metal movement. Neither of these guys are my favorite anyway. As for Ozzy guitar players, my favorite and in my opinion the most talented is Jake E. Lee. His work on Bark at the Moon and The Ultimate sin is incredible. Not to mention Badlands, which is my all time favorite band. They all rule.  Johnny

[THE STIG]

There is more to it than speed, I agree but Iommi is faster so in that aspect he is better. But again look at the entire body of work Tony has released like 20 studio albums under the Black Sabbath name alone, Randy Rhodes released 2 with Ozzy and prior to that 2 with Quiet Riot (the 2 QR only released in Japan). Rhodes certainly had the potential to get considerally better over the years like Iommi did, but because of his untimley death he never reached that level. But it was also his death that elevatd his status in the hearts and minds of metal fans, and somwhat inflated his level of talent.  In the years before Randy's death the Dio lineup Black Sabbath were beating Ozzy in the record sales, after the plane clash those two Ozzy records spiked in sales and around the same time Dio left Sabbath thus creating the perfect storm where Ozzy's status is elevated and he becomes the "legend" his is today and taking the memory of Randy Rhodes with him. Further more RR died in March of 82 and Quiet Riot's first U.S. release "Metal Health" came out a year later in March of 82. Why is it that this band that had never been able to secure a U.S. recording contract suddenly got one after the death of there founding guitarist? After the critical success of the "Cum on feel the Noise" single  Heavy Metal beame a viable option and record execs flocked to LA to sign up every big haired, eye-liner spandex wearing, cross dressing Ghey LA Music band they could find. Motley Crue, Poison, RATT, Twisted Sister, Hanoi Rocks, Cinderella, and all the other hair metal bands owe thier initial success to the tragic death of Randy Rhodes.

[Ryan]

So Randy Rhoads is the man responsible for hair bands 

Maybe I need to sell my classic Rhoads guitar now 

[Brock Samson]

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[moparmoynihan]

What about Alice Cooper, the New York Dolls, Kiss...All 1970's Glam bands. 80's glam was going to happen whether he died or not. Ratt was formed and Motley Crue were together before his death. So were many of the Glam bands in L. A. Los Angelos always did things their way. I mean Glam was in LA, but in San Fransisco, there was all Heavy Metal. Lets not forget the New wave of British Heavy metal. Maiden, Priest, Diamond Head, MotorHead, Saxon, Venom...yadda yadda yadda. Do you think any of them gave a crap about Randy Rhoades?? Quiet Riot were one of the last glam bands to make it big that were playing the Sunset strip in the early 80's (Pre-Poison era). That roller coaster was happening either way. Randy was the furthest thing from a glam player. Metal started with Sabbath and Zepplin. All forms of music must start somewhere, then as time goes on, several versions of music will be generated from the original. This is evolution.    Johnny

[THE STIG]

I'm not saying that RR's death started Glam, it was going to happen and was really already happening in LA. Rhodes' death was just the catylist for it's massive popularity. He died and it sent a shock wave through the world of metal and some fat cats thought it was a good idea to cash in on and since Ozzy was already signed they cashed in on his previous band. Motley Crue is very open about the fact that Quiet Riot getting signed and having a huge hit with "Cum on feel the Noise" was what took the LA scene to a new level. It was the same way in the Thrash scene, Metallica, Slayer, and Anthrax got picked up first and all, especially Metallica, had some moderate success. They may not have been selling as many records as the drag queens out of LA but sombody was making some money off of them. Not to take anything from them but Megadeth and Exodus were pretty much guarunteed contracts in some way shape or form due to thier Metallica conections alone. And then the dominoes fell in the Bay area just like they did in LA. Testament, Forbidden, Possessed, Death Angel etc. It's the butterfly effect one small event leads to a bigger and a bigger and the next thing you know the whole world has changed.

[SFRT]

It's all about Ozzy. I was lucky enough to smoke pot for the first time while I was listening to Master Of Reality for the first time waaay back in the early 70's.

talk about mind blown.

anyways

heres some more pics from the run

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sselden13/sets/72157623749684092/

[69*F5*SE]

Master Of Reality is my favorite Sabbath album.      Randy and Tony are both great guitar players from two different worlds.

[moparstuart]

 i see ozzy is singing on one of the tracks on slash's new solo album

[bull]

How come nobody talks about Randy Rhodes' stint with Quiet Riot? Oh well. The only observation I have is that is takes a lot of balls to go bowling...