Any small block Chargers in here?

[Death1970Proof]

If there's a small block Charger in the room post up  I wanna do a 408 for the '70 ...

[Khyron]

I had one...


then it became a Big Block car sorry

I'm a believer that a stroked small block is a great motor, but not for a B-body. Big Body, Big Motor

[wayfast1500]

I have a 318 in mine currently, I have the 360 block so I may do a 408, or I'm going with a 440.

[Manfred318]

Mines a small block. Its comming out this spring for a rebuild. I had a 440 I was going to put in but sold it and decided to keep the orig. motor and trans.

[draftingmonkey]

My '74 was a SB 318 but I upgraded to a 340.  The '67 is still a 318.  Must be one of the few owners that prefers the SB's.

[Brock Samson]

ran mine with a souped up 318 from '84 till '99 when i finally collected all the hi po BB stuff and put the 446 in... it was no slouch to 35 MPH... the six-pack block - conciderably breathed on is no slouch to 110.
  I wont drive it any faster then that, too floaty. 

[69bronzeT5]

My '69 came original with a 318-2bbl...........now it's a 383-4bbl

[Bob T]

Yeah , 318 over here , due east from you  , stock at the moment- just enjoy driving it over the summer. A mate of mine took me for a blast in his 72 RR with an Indy EFI Hemi605 900hp, so guess what I would like to do  , but requires buckets of fun coupons ... there was a thread that directed me to this site a while back bout a guy that did a 318 - 408? stroker , have a look through
another mate of mine is doing a VH Hardtop with a stroked 360 - 426 combo by Hughes engines.com .supposed to make 561 hp, and it will still stop and steer like a smallblock, will be a weapon and a half

cheers

late edit ;
 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=283.0

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/mopp_0409_318_engine_build/index.html

[1BAD68]

Mine was a 318 but I put a 4" stroker kit in and now its a 392

[Khyron]

what is the cost difference between stroking a small bloack and building a big block?

[BigBlackDodge]

Small blocks rules, big blocks drool!!!!!


(I secretely have a '72 440 & 727B hidden away in the garage.............but don't tell the 318, she'll get pissed!!!!!!)



BBD

[Foreman72]

Small blocks rules, big blocks drool!!!!!


BBD

got a 318 in mine and its not going anywhere

[Khyron]

got a 318 in mine and its not going anywhere

the motor or the car?


common! it was funny and you know it

[bakerhillpins]

got a 318 in mine and its not going anywhere

the motor or the car?


common! it was funny and you know it

[Dodgecharger74]

360 stroked to 408 going in mine  386 HP  460 TQ

[Khyron]

im not trying to be "That guy" but doesn't a stock 440 make about 375hp?

[Brock Samson]

 according to brochures circa 1968...
same figure they gave for the Chrysler 300 Ram motors in the early '60s.. 
I wonder what it actually was?   
Don't forget the listed the 426 HEMI at 425. What ever happened to the one H.P Per Cubic inch benchmark?..

[noff57]

I have a 318 in mine but putting a 400 in.

[Death1970Proof]

what is the cost difference between stroking a small bloack and building a big block?

Ehh..depends...

It would cost me considerably more to go to big block because I always run across small block parts on really good deals. The small blocks are lighter weight which I do like because it makes for a better handling car. I know how to make them run. I do have major respect for a 383/440, but the sleeper factor of building a stroker small block is great. They will believe you when you say 'It's just a lil' 318  I guess I like small block b bodies because they just really are not done?? 

On ebay you can get a 360 stroker crank for $279.95  ...Get the stroker pistons, balance it and then let it rip 

[Death1970Proof]

Mines a small block. Its comming out this spring for a rebuild. I had a 440 I was going to put in but sold it and decided to keep the orig. motor and trans.

Thats a nice car! I'm less than a couple of hours away in Wilkes county NC 

[1968_Charger]

ive got a 360 that im planing on putting one of the landy superchargers on. already got it just gotta install it. should be cool and unique!

[Manfred318]

Mines a small block. Its comming out this spring for a rebuild. I had a 440 I was going to put in but sold it and decided to keep the orig. motor and trans.

Thats a nice car! I'm less than a couple of hours away in Wilkes county NC 

Thanks man! Im not to far from the Zoo actually. Its cool to know there are other Charger bretheren close by. 

[Foreman72]

got a 318 in mine and its not going anywhere

the motor or the car?


common! it was funny and you know it

yeah yeah, it was funny
for what its worth, i do plan on taking it .04 over...

here is my plan...

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/mopar/0667em_mopar_318_engine/index.html

[Death1970Proof]

im not trying to be "That guy" but doesn't a stock 440 make about 375hp?

68-70' 440 Magnums are known to have 375 rated horsepower from the factory. Hp,torque and compression ratios drop heavily from 72-78; But hey it's a 440! You can mod it just like any other mopar engine 

[Khyron]

see, thats where i was, I had a 360 done up real nice in my charger, but after awhile I just didn't think that the money I put into it was worth it. after I did the math. pound for pound and inch for inch, i figured Icould get more from teh 440 then the 360 stroked for less money.

now in a A body, small block all the way, but with the weight and size of the B-Bodys, thats why I went for my 440

I think I have a pic of the small block in my Charger...

[Khyron]

Thats when I was just putting it in, Engine compartment was black when I bought the car, and the body was still Y4 Gold.

one more small block, then Big Block


The second is when i put the second 440ish motor in it.... It just fills out that compartment so nicely

[Khyron]

BTW: as you can see the 440 has the 440source waterpump on it.... junk! absolute crap product and because of it I will never buy another 440source part ever again, didn't flow water well, car had overheating issues.... avoid their China made crap at all costs!

I put a stock pump in it and never had a problem again. If anyone here works for 440source, come to my house so i can plant that waterpump firmly up your ass. it almost killed my motor!

[moparstuart]

  anyone else heard of this ?


The Mopar 440 Super Commando engine delivers more than 525 horsepower on pump gas—the largest cubic inch displacement offered in a Mopar small block crate engine.

Mopar's 440 Super Commando—Big Power
in a Small Package

Big block power and cubic inches in a small block package. The Mopar 440 Super Commando engine delivers over 525 horsepower on pump gas and it's the largest cubic inch displacement offered in a Mopar small block crate engine.

For more information on Mopar parts and to browse more than 100,000 Mopar parts, accessories and performance parts online at the Mopar eStore, visit http://www.mopar.com.
Attached Images

[Paul G]

Origianlly a 318, now a 360. It runs pretty good. Here is a little video.

[mikepmcs]

you need to talk to BEER (Jimmy T) 
all your questions answered here

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,283.0.html   

[Death1970Proof]

Origianlly a 318, now a 360. It runs pretty good. Here is a little video.

Sounds like it's got it where it counts 

[Foreman72]

Sounds like it's got it where it counts 

wow! that thing sounds great...whats on it for exhaust?

[Paul G]

wow! that thing sounds great...whats on it for exhaust?

It could be Thrush Mufflers. I dont know for sure. They look like the Thrush mufflers on Summit's website. I cant see the little bird though. He could be on top?

[Khyron]

I've always been a sucker for the Flowmaster 40 series..... ohhh i get goose bumps just thinking about them.

[jaak]

Mine.......



Jason

[scatpack69]

my white 69 in my avatar has a stock 318. never been apart. so I am leaving it that way. I have a68 with a 383.

[Chris]

416 stroke

[Paul G]

416 stroke

Nice! Has it been dyno'd? Track times?

[elanmars]

I can find 440 this and 440 that no problem but man, finding a small block Charger in halfway decent condition is not easy!

[Paul G]

I think that over the years a lot of the small block Chargers have been converted to big block. Or, have been pieced apart to restore pedigree cars. Small blocks just don't get the respect a big block, namely 440, gets. Back in the day I had plenty of 318 cars. They ran well, just were nothing special and the aftermarket didn't really make good go-fast parts for them. The 340 and then the 360 started to give the small blocks some muscle, but still limited aftermarket support. 440's were the way to go because you got plenty of power with little aftermarket support. Mopar never had good aftermarket company's making parts for us, till recently.   

[92454ss]

started to take my 318 out the charger today and gonna drop new heads on it.... i love 318s sound wicked

[BigBlackDodge]

Here's a pic of my small block on the engine stand a few years ago.....



BBD

[Death1970Proof]

I think that over the years a lot of the small block Chargers have been converted to big block. Or, have been pieced apart to restore pedigree cars. Small blocks just don't get the respect a big block, namely 440, gets. Back in the day I had plenty of 318 cars. They ran well, just were nothing special and the aftermarket didn't really make good go-fast parts for them. The 340 and then the 360 started to give the small blocks some muscle, but still limited aftermarket support. 440's were the way to go because you got plenty of power with little aftermarket support. Mopar never had good aftermarket company's making parts for us, till recently.   

Today, it's a whole different world. You can make 400+hp with a small block easy. Performance parts have improved by leaps and bounds 

[Foreman72]

I think that over the years a lot of the small block Chargers have been converted to big block. Or, have been pieced apart to restore pedigree cars. Small blocks just don't get the respect a big block, namely 440, gets. Back in the day I had plenty of 318 cars. They ran well, just were nothing special and the aftermarket didn't really make good go-fast parts for them. The 340 and then the 360 started to give the small blocks some muscle, but still limited aftermarket support. 440's were the way to go because you got plenty of power with little aftermarket support. Mopar never had good aftermarket company's making parts for us, till recently.   

Today, it's a whole different world. You can make 400+hp with a small block easy. Performance parts have improved by leaps and bounds 

thats what i'm doing

[chargd72]

If I've done the correct research, my 318 build will move that b body just fine 

[kman440]

Still got the #'s matching 318 under the hood. The original owner spend a lot of cash to have it rebuilt less than a year before I got. Since than I only swapped the heads, intake, carb, and put a set of headers on it. Now at least it sounds like it could do something. All show n a lil go.

[Charger-73]

I have small block also 360.

When Charger is on the road I will start building another engine. Plan is still use small block. Stroked 408 or something close to that and maybe install EFI and supercharger on it. But this is just dream at the moment. But still I would like to ask what kind of setup I should go and how much power and torque I can get "easily" from 408 with EFI and supercharger?

Later when Charger is ready I will ask consulting from you guys to find good setup for new engine. =)

[Ponch ®]

what is the cost difference between stroking a small bloack and building a big block?

On ebay you can get a 360 stroker crank for $279.95  ...Get the stroker pistons, balance it and then let it rip 

I know it's oversimplifying it, but is that basically all you need? Stroker crank and pistons?

[Dodgecharger74]

I have a 408 in mine  390HP  460 TQ 2400 stall 727 with shift kit 390 gears its all right  I have a stock 72  440 in my 82 Dodge pick up short box ready for a rebuild  I drive one & rebuld the other  always have a fast fun vehicle to drive

[Lizey]

360 "Magnum" in the '77. Carter 4 Barrel 245 horsepower from the factory...well...rated anyway who knows where its at really

[TK73]

360

Gotta change the oil so we're putting in a 440

[mikesbbody]

My Charger originally had a 400, now has a warmed over 440, I prefer BB's I wouldn't have a SB I don't like the Distributor at the back, the longer Upper radiator hose, and a few other things (some of the intakes look strange IMO) I also think, with a Big car like a Charger it looks like there's "Too much room" under the hood with a SB. If I had a SB, it would have to Stroked, 400+C.I and at least 500 H.P. I do like the lighter Weight of the SB's though 

[grdprx]

360

Gotta change the oil so we're putting in a 440

Gotta change the oil, so you're putting a 440 in?  Any excuse is a good one, I suppose!      

[mikesbbody]

Love this Quote from Khyron "If anyone here works for 440source, come to my house so i can plant that waterpump firmly up your ass. it almost killed my motor!"  

[MoparManJim]

318 owner here, but not sure what the car came with originally though as the 318 in it now is not at all the original engine for the charger.