Who here hates the charger prices?

[TheGhost]

I found a Ok deal. 2 '72 chargers for $2000. one is parts the other is the "project", I've never seen a Running driving car in this type of condition.

So, are you going to sell "your" Ram to buy them?

[Blakcharger440]

"I think that when someone says they dont care if their musclecar was worth $1 or $1Million dollars is fooling themselves and not being truly realistic"

In my case, I am being totally realistic. I do not see my car as an 'investment'. It is a hobby and like most hobbies you pay to play. Buy a new motorcycle, ATV, boat, RV, you lose money to have fun. But thats okay, that is the way it is supposed to be. You want to have fun you pay for it. While the cars are not depreciating is nice for the 'investor', it is a moot point for me because I am enjoying the car regardless of its value, just like I would anything new that depreciates. Why is the mindset today that everything we buy has to gurantee a certain return if we decide to sell? Nobody cared about that years ago. You got your use and thats what you paid for. Today everything is an investment, which in my opinion is unrealistic.

I think every Charger owner nowadays cares about what their car is worth cause if they didnt we wouldnt see some of the outrageous prices that we do see. Of course you have to pay to play. I am currently building a 528 Cube Hemi and that costed me money but I like it because its something I have wanted for awhile now and I think its awesome, but for me to say i dont know the value of it when I have completed it would be ludicrous.

[Big Lebowski]

Yes Hater, I do agree with you. The private sellers have hopes and dreams with some of the prices they want, but the dealers have totally lost it. They mark up Chargers at least 15K more than the so called going rate no matter what the condition.

This guy Steve Anastos just bid 100K on a V Code '70. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-SE-Very-Rare-1970-Dodge-Charger-SE-440-6pack-Pristine_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQitemZ4609083777QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW  Sometimes you have to blame the buyers with big money as well. Ahhhh whatever, if I had money this wouldn't be an issue.


Even the Demons and 340 Darts are climbing over 20K.

   Wow, 1 shill bid, 100k Reserve not met '70 V code car. And with no engine pics? What? The BJ '70 Six-pack Charger went for $66.9k.  That $$$ is entering the stupid money range. I guess opening bid for a sweet '70 V code Charger is now 100k. Right on. 

[skip68]

And I wouldn't be so certain about the prices going up and up forever.  It might happen but you might also want to ask some of the Model T and 57 Chevy owners what happened to their spiralling "investments". 

I do agree with Ghoste to a point.... If the Dukes movie didn't come out, prices would be lower like model T's and 57s....BUT, the General Lee is known around the world and chargers have been used in so many movies as cool cars that it keeps creating a demand....And if they make a movie about a cool, fast PINTO that screams, there will be a bunch of young guy's wanting pinto's................Chuck out...................................

[69charger2002]

well. i will share how i feel about the subject.. yes it sucks that prices have gone up so high.. did i contribute to them doing so? of course.. to a small degree. maybe not as much as other people.  i sure am not helping them come down in price either.. but the POINT is. bad as this may sound. i'm in this like jimshine said. as a HOBBY. all hobbies cost money, and i have been smart enough/and or lucky enough to find some great deals and then "flip" them to make money on. now am i paying my house off with all that profit money? NO that's why i work for living. my "flipping" as it is called... can be seen 2 ways. 1. some don't have a problem with it, and are happy that i find so many and send them to a better home, at a usually higher price than i paid.. 2. others, though i've never been called out directly, have a problem with guys like me selling them all the time for a profit.. trust me i won't call any names.. but the undertone attitudes of some on this site is very evident.. in an indirect way. that's ok. because when it's said and done, which will be much sooner than later, i will own 7-8 VERY nice 68-70 chargers, and they will all be paid for by doing what i have been able to do very well. should you feel jealous? hell no, should you be mad at me? i'm not sure, hope not. but in truth i will have my dream lineup of cars, more than my dream actually, and they won't have cost me a dime. so i don't give a rat's ass what others think. if some of you had the time, luck, and access to funds that some of us have been fortunate enough to aquire, MANY others would be doing it as well to get their projects paid for.. that's what it's all about.. and i can't think of a better hobby than one that you can really enjoy, and somehow it not cost anything. i don't come on here and post pics anymore of my "new" finds.. because some liek it, some think i'm just rubbing it in. so i keep it mostly private now.. i just enjoy being here on this site and surely don't want to cause any hard feelings with anyone because i flip cars on the side and make $$ doing it. if it's any consolation i usually sell them "as i get them" instead of doing half ass shoddy work to them and then asking way more.. i don't believe in that. anyway rant off. thanks for listening. that had been built up for a while.. i need a hug
trav

[skip68]

Flip away, If nobody (fliped them) sold them we wouldn't have them!!! People and places like Hlpag or whatever are the problem I have with this and I'm sure we all agree. ................Chuck...............

[Chris G.]

 

[Brock Samson]

  There are people at all levels in this hobby,..

  We don't seem to get too many kids looking for complete running second Gens. with only $800 since the dukes movie came out last yr.
  I suspect there's enough info out in the mainstream that most everyone realizes these cars are pretty sought after, perhaps the DOH helped to inform the public,.. maybe...
But to my mind these cars (& Mopars in general) have become better known then ever, 3 million dolor Convert hemi cudas, the Dukes and the other various movies have something to do with this I'd bet.
  The Cars have become currency, like gold and other material investments.
  I'm sure that IF I could I'd have more then one, in fact as many as I could get my hands on. However my personal space and financial situation limit me too a max. of two cars, I often have been amazed that some of you guys have so much property and storage and ability not to mention the funds to have so many cars,..
  That said, there will allways be those younger guys and gals who are just getting into the hobby and finding their dream exceeds their cash.
Mustanghater is actually better off then most, as his dad seems to be into cars and willing to help him,..
  I wasn't so lucky and had to do mine without any help from my family or a website,.. (My dad never owned a car or learned to drive or cared to).
  As i seem to recall MH is still a teen, so if you save your money, ask for help and pounce when ready, you'll enter at a level appropriate to your ability,.. i couldn't begin to look for my '69 till i had been working two jobs for two years at the tender age of 24.
  I think Everette (aka Ghost) did it right going from a neon to a dart to a bacaruda, i suspect he's only a short time from getting his dream '71 B-body, if he plays his cars right.

  BTW: when I was 12 in 1969 I repeatedly BEGGED my dad to buy a HEMI DAYTONA four-speed as an investment and just store it in the garage because I knew then... & My dad just grinned.
 
 
 

[hemihead]

I have nothing against a guy "flipping a car and making a few bucks.That is their time involved so I guess in a way it's ok.But when someone has to make $1000's on every car,well that's just greedy.Before this Mopar Fad started,when one of us Mopar guys had or knew of a car that was available we would ask some of our Mopar buddies if they would be interested,gave them the contact info or introduced them to the seller.That was when I was happy to be  Mopar guy.Mopar guys used to help each other.I gave things to other Mopar guys and they returned the favor when I needed it.Lots of good people.Now,it seems the Mopar guys(that's what they call themselves anyway)are more interested in getting buying up everything and making the biggest buck they can squeeze out of you.I guess it's all part of the big ego, got to be the big man on the block mentality.Since people can't do the Wall St. thing and make a killing,now they have to make it here.Just my views,I don't want to offend anyone.

[JimShine]

"I think every Charger owner nowadays cares about what their car is worth cause if they didnt we wouldnt see some of the outrageous prices that we do see. "

I have never contributed to that. How many of us have received a questionaire asking what our cars are worth? If anything sets values on cars it is sales prices and a handfull of experts in the field. I also happen to own two Chargers. I never shoot values to anyone. To be honest if they even ask I don't know what to say. I can tell them what I have into them, but I just don't care about what the 'market' says they are worth. I will deal with that when someone hits me or something.

Travis, I don't have a problem with what you do. I did the same thing with my guitar collection. Buy and flip, buy and keep. In the end I had nothing into a very cool guitar collection. I thought that was the smart way. I would probably have done the same with cars too, but I just can't sell any of the ones I like and I also think potentially selling cars is a big headache. I will leave that up to other guys. If I see something cool for a good price that I don't need, I will turn someone else onto it who wants it. But I have no problem with you doing what you are doing. It is just a different take on achieveing the same results.

[89MOPAR]

.Before this Mopar Fad started,when one of us Mopar guys had or knew of a car that was available we would ask some of our Mopar buddies if they would be interested,gave them the contact info or introduced them to the seller.That was when I was happy to be  Mopar guy.Mopar guys used to help each other.I gave things to other Mopar guys and they returned the favor when I needed it.Lots of good people.Now,it seems the Mopar guys(that's what they call themselves anyway)are more interested in getting buying up everything and making the biggest buck they can squeeze out of you.

I agree, I can remember finding old cars and telling buddies about them, egging them on to buy them.

  1 was a 67 Charger, a freind bought, needed interior put in. always volunteered to help but I wasn't going to do it myself. Eventually he sold it, same as he found it.
  Another was a 69 superbee - friend bought , began work on it, Moved cross country to PA, it sat in garage for years " fastest workbench in the county" he called it - he since sold it w/o ever really driving it either [ Red on Black car sold in western PA recently ]
  V-code Challenger sitting next to a dudes house - at the time he wanted too much [ $6000 in '94 , haha]- none of my buddies wanted to pony up the money- and I probably had 2 or 3 Mopars at the time.

Now currently I know of a 383 4 spd Shaker hood Challenger FC7 purple - needs lots of work - I could buy  it probably if I got a big loan - but I'm loathe to tell others about it since I cant "afford" it currently.    I know none of my close buddies would buy it, but I don't want some dude i don't know to get it either ...

[ChargerST]

I did a search on ebay for 2.gen Chargers that already ended. The result wasn't very surprising: only 36 out of 84 Chargers were sold - 21 were project cars.
People always say: look what they're going for on ebay. Well, does this reflect the market when a seller sets an insane high starting bid? No! Prices are way up, but not as high as some folks want to make us believe - they just use ebay as a free speculation platform (no sale, no fees). Only seven (including a Daytona and a Hemi) Chargers were sold for more than 20k...
I don't think it's good for a hobby if people use it for speculation - where's the fun when only white collars own these cars who are afraid to drive their investment?
But thats just my opinion

Steve