The most important aero warrior?

[Ghoste]

So what do you say folks, if you had to pick the single most
significant aero car, what would it be and why?

Mine would be the four speed Charger 500 from the old Hot Rod road test because that was the car that turned me on to the whole aero car thing.  I know there are others of more importance historically but I chose to answer my question personally.   Feel free to pick either way.

[69bronzeT5]

Not really sure....don't have a definitive answer but I'd say the 200mph Daytona was pretty significant

[68X426]

It's got to be the 200 mph ride that Buddy Baker took in 1970 in the Hemi Daytona.   Nothing was the same in the motor world after that.

For those who haven't read about it:  http://aerowarriors.com/200mphrun.html

[tan top]

So what do you say folks, if you had to pick the single most
significant aero car, what would it be and why?

Mine would be the four speed Charger 500 from the old Hot Rod road test because that was the car that turned me on to the whole aero car thing.  I know there are others of more importance historically but I chose to answer my question personally.   Feel free to pick either way.

yes  charger 500 for me also

& i have to say the number 88 chrysler engeneering daytona &  what Buddy Baker done one afternoon in march 1970  

It's got to be the 200 mph ride that Buddy Baker took in 1970 in the Hemi Daytona.  Nothing was the same in the motor world after that.

For those who haven't read about it:  http://aerowarriors.com/200mphrun.html

   first car to run officaly 200 miles an hour in a closed  track ...  


also got to be the #71 daytona also at  the salt flats

[69_500]

Personally speaking to me the most important AERO car is 409045. It would be the first Daytona that my dad bought and the first one I rode in.

As far as the famous cars go I would say that the most important one would be Jerry Service's HEMI 500 that is a 68. Thats what got the whole ball rolling in my opinion.

[Aero426]

So what do you say folks, if you had to pick the single most
significant aero car, what would it be and why?

Mine would be the four speed Charger 500 from the old Hot Rod road test because that was the car that turned me on to the whole aero car thing.  I know there are others of more importance historically but I chose to answer my question personally.   Feel free to pick either way.

The stolen 4-speed 500 is the one that reportedly became the #88 Daytona.   So you are killing two birds with one stone there.   I believe both cars shown in the test were actually automatics, since the 4-speed had been liberated by then.

[69_500]

So what do you say folks, if you had to pick the single most
significant aero car, what would it be and why?

Mine would be the four speed Charger 500 from the old Hot Rod road test because that was the car that turned me on to the whole aero car thing.  I know there are others of more importance historically but I chose to answer my question personally.   Feel free to pick either way.

The stolen 4-speed 500 is the one that reportedly became the #88 Daytona.   So you are killing two birds with one stone there.   I believe both cars shown in the test were actually automatics, since the 4-speed had been liberated by then.

I'm still on the fence on that one Doug. I'm still under the impression that the stolen HEMI 500 is currently located not too far from cotton Owens shop. Just my opinion though. I'm sure you done a lot more digging on that than I have though.

[Aero426]

I'm just going on what I've heard, but wasn't the west coast PR car was pretty much gutted and stripped out when it was returned.  In other words, it wasn't practical to use or repair as a street car.    I know there is that other car out there, but wasn't that one recovered mostly intact.

[Ghoste]

Isn't the four speed car from the Hot Rod road test 110610?

[Alaskan_TA]

The one at this link;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/ideaCars/idea%20cars%20page34.jpg

Ugly, but close to a decade ahead of the much more common wing cars. ;-)

[69_500]

Isn't the four speed car from the Hot Rod road test 110610?

Yes 110610 is the 4 speed car from the Hot Rod test. Per letter from Hot Rod anyways.

[maxwellwedge]

Probably the most important would be the Daytona DB finally got.....which would become a tie when Danny gets his...    

Other than that - all of them - just puts an exclamation point on how jacked-up and crazy Detroit was back in the coolest era of muscle, music and culture to field a winner.

[69_500]

Probably the most important would be the Daytona DB finally got.....which would become a tie when Danny gets his...    

Other than that - all of them - just puts an exclamation point on how jacked-up and crazy Detroit was back in the coolest era of muscle, music and culture to field a winner.

I have a feeling that whichever one I wind up with, will not be for a very long time. So I hope no one is holding their breath until that happens.

[Aero426]

Isn't the four speed car from the Hot Rod road test 110610?

Yes 110610 is the 4 speed car from the Hot Rod test. Per letter from Hot Rod anyways.

Danny, what is the letter from Hot Rod?  Is there a copy of it?   Is 110610 the car that Cotton got his hands on, or is that a different VIN?

[nascarxx29]

There are a few cars of importance but the #88 car would be #1  then in no particular order 68 Charger 500 Jerry Service the old Mike Russo 500 Car from my area Propane X .
Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ .Last whereabouts CA .Then daytonas the first one was a factory clone as suspected of Dale Reeker car 287970.And then the last daytona with the 434 vin would be my picks

[jonw29]

What is all of the fuss over?Ya'll know that it is David Pearson's #17 Talladega.Right?? :yesnod:This from a Ford guys prospective of course.JW

[nascarxx29]

If wasnt for Ford and the 429.Making it necessary for Chrysler to redesign the charger 500

[pettybird]

Personally speaking to me the most important AERO car is 409045. It would be the first Daytona that my dad bought and the first one I rode in.

I think that, for anyone who has one at home, it's that car.  it's most definitely the B5 car here for us.  the petty car is definitely the cooler car, but we've taken the dark blue one everywhere.  


I do like the Pearson comment, though  

[Aero426]

A few significant Aero Cars:  I haven't put them in any order other than separating race and street cars, but these are some personal favorites of mine.  It is late and I am sure I have missed a couple...

Race Cars:
Daytona 093 - the #88 Engineering Daytona Baker drove to 200 in March 1970
Daytona DC74 - Raced by Isaac as a '68 Charger, this car became the "first" Daytona used at the Proving Grounds.  Currently the Museum #88 at Talladega
Bobby Isaac Daytona - as covered above
Pete Hamilton Superbird (probably doesn't exist) - the 1970 Daytona 500 winner. "If" it existed, this would probably be my number 1.
Pearson Talladega  (John Slikeerveer's ex-Goodyear tire test car or Doug Schultz's restored car in California)
Wood Brothers 1971 Mercury Cyclone - a race Spoiler II in a previous life.
Ramo Stott #7 Superbird - First Superbird to win - only surviving race Bird in original configuration.  Ran all three major stock car series, won in two of them.
Marcis #30 500 / Daytona - The Winston Cup show car.  This is a good car that often slips under the radar.
Owens #6 Daytona (auto show circuit car)
Steve Atwell's race Daytona chassis - reportedly an Allison/Rossi car reskinned to a late Charger.  
Jim Frederick Fly Rod Bonneville Superbird


Significant Street cars or simply ones of special interest (again no order is suggested here):
L9B287970 Daytona or other early cars like Doctona.
Q5 Daytona
X9 Black Daytona with red gut
Elmer Duellman's 304 mile Daytona (originally X9)
Malcolm A4 Daytona with red gut
Burnt Orange Superbird
Lindsley's Bonneville racer Superbird - restored to bone stock white Hemi Superbird.
Banjo Matthews or Ralph Moody's Prototype Talladegas
Bill France Signature Talladega
Bunky Knudsen Yellow Talladega
Jerry Service's Prototype 500
Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona  
Propane X 500, or Cal Gas Daytona
Bud Moore King Cobras - yellow and orange
Wellborn's Petty Blue w/ white gut Superbird - very original
Vitamin C Auto Show Superbird (where is it?)
Superbird from "Richard Petty Came Back" ad (where is it?)
Magazine Daytona with lic plate 17M-010 (where is it?)
Playboy Daytona

[Redbird]

Doug,

To your list I'd add the following:

1.) Sox & Martin Superbird
2.) Jack Werst Superbird
3.) Dick Brooks 305 Daytona (I know the Allison Car is on your list)
4.) Woody Walcher's Daytona-here's hoping it doesn't get restored to bone stock
5.) Vern Judy's Daytona-now restored to bone stock
6.) The white 17M-010 Superbird in promo shots
7.) The Wynn's Tor-Red Superbird (if only because the woman model was there)
8.) The original Watermellon Daytona (whatever it's origins it was and is cool)
9.) L.A./Orange County Daytona
10.) Any of Big Willie's Daytonas
11.) Charlie Glotzbach's Daytona-advertising chemicals-it was well done and crazy purple, a sign of the times

[Aero426]

Doug,

To your list I'd add the following:

1.) Sox & Martin Superbird
2.) Jack Werst Superbird
3.) Dick Brooks 305 Daytona (I know the Allison Car is on your list)
4.) Woody Walcher's Daytona-here's hoping it doesn't get restored to bone stock
5.) Vern Judy's Daytona-now restored to bone stock
6.) The white 17M-010 Superbird in promo shots
7.) The Wynn's Tor-Red Superbird (if only because the woman model was there)
8.) The original Watermellon Daytona (whatever it's origins it was and is cool)
9.) L.A./Orange County Daytona
10.) Any of Big Willie's Daytonas
11.) Charlie Glotzbach's Daytona-advertising chemicals-it was well done and crazy purple, a sign of the times

Yes, I agree, those are all good ones. 

[maxwellwedge]

A few significant Aero Cars:  I haven't put them in any order other than separating race and street cars, but these are some personal favorites of mine.  It is late and I am sure I have missed a couple...

Significant Street cars or simply ones of special interest (again no order is suggested here):
L9B287970 Daytona or other early cars like Doctona.
Q5 Daytona
X9 Black Daytona with red gut
Elmer Duellman's 304 mile Daytona (originally X9)
Malcolm A4 Daytona with red gut
Burnt Orange Superbird
Lindsley's Bonneville racer Superbird - restored to bone stock white Hemi Superbird.
Banjo Matthews or Ralph Moody's Prototype Talladegas
Bill France Signature Talladega
Bunky Knudsen Yellow Talladega
Jerry Service's Prototype 500
Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona  
Propane X 500, or Cal Gas Daytona
Bud Moore King Cobras - yellow and orange
Wellborn's Petty Blue w/ white gut Superbird - very original
Vitamin C Auto Show Superbird (where is it?)
Superbird from "Richard Petty Came Back" ad (where is it?)
Magazine Daytona with lic plate 17M-010 (where is it?)
Playboy Daytona

Woo-Hoo..... Doctona gets a mention.

Thanks Doug......I would first like to thank the Academy........

[hemi68charger]

A few significant Aero Cars:  I haven't put them in any order other than separating race and street cars, but these are some personal favorites of mine.  It is late and I am sure I have missed a couple...

Significant Street cars or simply ones of special interest (again no order is suggested here):
L9B287970 Daytona or other early cars like Doctona.
Q5 Daytona
X9 Black Daytona with red gut
Elmer Duellman's 304 mile Daytona (originally X9)
Malcolm A4 Daytona with red gut
Burnt Orange Superbird
Lindsley's Bonneville racer Superbird - restored to bone stock white Hemi Superbird.
Banjo Matthews or Ralph Moody's Prototype Talladegas
Bill France Signature Talladega
Bunky Knudsen Yellow Talladega
Jerry Service's Prototype 500
Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona  
Propane X 500, or Cal Gas Daytona
Bud Moore King Cobras - yellow and orange
Wellborn's Petty Blue w/ white gut Superbird - very original
Vitamin C Auto Show Superbird (where is it?)
Superbird from "Richard Petty Came Back" ad (where is it?)
Magazine Daytona with lic plate 17M-010 (where is it?)
Playboy Daytona

Woo-Hoo..... Doctona gets a mention.

Thanks Doug......I would first like to thank the Academy........

Jim..
Congrad's on your "People's Choice Award"

[Redbird]

I'll add a couple more to my list:

12.) Galen Aasland's Bonneville Superbird (shameless self-promotion, it has plenty of B'ville timing tags-proving anyone could go really fast with a little thought)
13.) "Moonshine" Superbird
14.) Dan Gurney Superbird on the cover of Jan. '70 Motor Trend (I know it is 2 pictures-but the man could drive)


Weren't there several Daytona's used for the article cars in '69-'70? License plates 17M-737 and RBM-970 too?

My personal #1 is Pete Hamiltons. Tie in with Petty, but Pete stands on his own as the one who won the big ones against all the competition. To me when you build a car to win Daytona, it wins, game over.

[nascarxx29]

Dan Gurney was posed on the 69 daytona before they used his cover picture on Jan 70 Motor Trend for the Superbird.Plates mentioned on various daytonas are in this article in the link
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,21189.0.html

[nascarxx29]

[nascarxx29]

List of plates

[Ghoste]

But thats a big list, which one is the single most significant to you?

BTW, 110610 is NOT the car Cotton had, nor was it stolen or stripped.  It was in a minor accident while in Hot Rod's possession and evidence of their quickie body owrk exits on the car to this day.

[rustafarian]

For all the action it gets on this website,  I'm suprised the Big Willie Daytona(s) aren't on the list

[1RareBird]

I like the #88 Daytona engineering car and the one below.

[tan top]

But thats a big list, which one is the single most significant to you?

BTW, 110610 is NOT the car Cotton had, nor was it stolen or stripped.  It was in a minor accident while in Hot Rod's possession and evidence of their quickie body owrk exits on the car to this day.

yeah i'm comfused about them C500s & which ones were stolen ! one was supposed to be really striped & became the 88 daytona &  one was  striped of just the motor ?  , wernt there another according to hot rod , stolen  another road test car   an Auto , or am i getting mixed up with something else

[Ghoste]

For some reason I thought the automatic car was the one that was stolen.  Danny will know for sure though.  The four speed car is still around, that much I know.

[69_500]

Doug, I'll check to see if I have a copy of the letter from Hot Rod about the 110610 car or not. The letter was addressed to Mike Russo and it was in response to a question about the damage on the side of the car. It had a little statement about how one of the members of Hot Rod had grazed a pole in a parking lot and how they had repaired and repainted that section of the car before returning it to Chrysler. I know I saw it when I was looking at the car before the current owner bought it, and have seen it 3 times since then. Oddly enough I don't know if I took a photo of it or not. 110610 was down at Talladega by the way this year. HEMI 4 speed car, black interior with cloth insert seats, power windows, and a white tail stripe. Very nice car.

The car that was stolen and that I link to Cotton that later went to Creative and then back to Cotton, and then was sold to a gentleman who lives not too far from Cotton's shop was also R4 red HEMI, black interior with cloth insert seats, and a white tail stripe but not the same car as mentioned above. There was also an identical car to the two mentioned above that was a HEMI AT car and that car has not moved since 1974 I believe. Its gathering a bit of dust, but still a very nice car in its own right. And in my opinion it is the one that Bud Lindeman beat the tar out of in the video as its clear that it wasn't one of the 4 speed cars.

[nascarxx29]

I like the #88 Daytona engineering car and the one below.

This same superbird as you have shown
It's hard to belive that historically significant muscle still comes out of barns. You'd die just to find a real Six-Barrel Superbird, much less a car that Chrysler gave away to Richard Petty. All the paint and panels are original. Before the car was stripped, the quarter -panels were sketched on CAD to ensure that the lettering can be redone exactly as it was.>

Steve Atwell's Petty Superbird & Sammy Miller Rocket Car
Our friend Steve Atwell is a world-renowned Hemi race-car guy, but in his midlife crisis he's starting to expand his horizons. We guess his new Prudhomme '70 Cuda Funny Car is technically a Hemi car, but he also just bought a Ford lightweight. And even though Steve is technically a Dodge guy, he hasn't been able to pass up a few good Plymouths that came his way. One of them is this interesting Superbird.

When Steve got the call that there was a 'Bird up in Lansing, Michigan, that had been in a garage since 1976, he thought he probably needed it-but knew for sure when he found out it was a 440+6 car with a Pistol Grip four-speed and the Super Track Pak option. The owner had picked it up for $2,500, driven it for a while, then parked it.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0710_custom_hot_rod_cars_barn_finds/photo_14.html

[nascarxx29]

  wingcars we seen in ads

[maxwellwedge]

I like the #88 Daytona engineering car and the one below.

This same superbird as you have shown
It's hard to belive that historically significant muscle still comes out of barns. You'd die just to find a real Six-Barrel Superbird, much less a car that Chrysler gave away to Richard Petty. All the paint and panels are original. Before the car was stripped, the quarter -panels were sketched on CAD to ensure that the lettering can be redone exactly as it was.>

Steve Atwell's Petty Superbird & Sammy Miller Rocket Car
Our friend Steve Atwell is a world-renowned Hemi race-car guy, but in his midlife crisis he's starting to expand his horizons. We guess his new Prudhomme '70 Cuda Funny Car is technically a Hemi car, but he also just bought a Ford lightweight. And even though Steve is technically a Dodge guy, he hasn't been able to pass up a few good Plymouths that came his way. One of them is this interesting Superbird.

When Steve got the call that there was a 'Bird up in Lansing, Michigan, that had been in a garage since 1976, he thought he probably needed it-but knew for sure when he found out it was a 440+6 car with a Pistol Grip four-speed and the Super Track Pak option. The owner had picked it up for $2,500, driven it for a while, then parked it.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0710_custom_hot_rod_cars_barn_finds/photo_14.html

I love how they captioned the pic "Cuda". Super Track Pak? Ahhh - Those crazy Hot Rod guys!

[Aero426]

Getting back to the Hot Rod road test cars:

Reading page 41 of the Feb. 70 issue of HR reveals:

"Each 500 in use for this test was hemi-equiped. Three of 'em were readied for us, but we used only two.    One of them, the first four speed car, was "borrowed" (by person or persons as yet not convicted) and most of the parts liberated.    Due to this unexpected car loan (that's not what the police termed it), we spent most of our time with the automatic car."    

Sounds like there were TWO 4 speed cars, with "the first four speed car" being the stolen car.  The second apparently still exists. (per dodgecharger.com info)
And they say automatic CAR, not cars....         So they had 3 hemi cars total, 2 were sticks and one was an auto.
Makes sense...   Here is where it gets good.

AND they DID test BOTH the remaining stick car and auto!     Three were readied, but "we used only two".  (since one was quickly stolen!)  So they used 2 cars, and got results for a manual and automatic.   The conclusion is 2 stick cars and one auto.

[nascarxx29]

The Doc Tona also a daytona of importance it was mentioned in Mighty mopars by author Anthony Young .As the first daytona and that it went to Kingston Ontario Dodge Canada.Preceding the daytona shiplist that was years later introduced that contained same info.The distinqiushing features are the lack of wing braces and slanted daytona letters

[nascarxx29]

Cover Feb 70 HR

http://www.hotrod.com/whereitbegan/hrdp_0803w_1970_hot_rod_covers/photo_02.html

[Ghoste]

That adds up Doug, it's a while now since I read the story so thank you for following it up.

[nascarxx29]

As Hot Rod Feb 70 &  69 Car life tested 69 500s.Theres a few other 69-70 magazines I can recall that had used 69 500s as in the link..Another magazine I had a roadtest with a Hemi 4 speed 69 500 was original purchasing owner Dick Delefino.Another test 500 car was in Hot Rod February 1969.
Hemi Charger 500 road test

[69_500]

Getting back to the Hot Rod road test cars:

Reading page 41 of the Feb. 70 issue of HR reveals:

"Each 500 in use for this test was hemi-equiped. Three of 'em were readied for us, but we used only two.    One of them, the first four speed car, was "borrowed" (by person or persons as yet not convicted) and most of the parts liberated.    Due to this unexpected car loan (that's not what the police termed it), we spent most of our time with the automatic car."    

Sounds like there were TWO 4 speed cars, with "the first four speed car" being the stolen car.  The second apparently still exists. (per dodgecharger.com info)
And they say automatic CAR, not cars....         So they had 3 hemi cars total, 2 were sticks and one was an auto.
Makes sense...   Here is where it gets good.

AND they DID test BOTH the remaining stick car and auto!     Three were readied, but "we used only two".  (since one was quickly stolen!)  So they used 2 cars, and got results for a manual and automatic.   The conclusion is 2 stick cars and one auto.

Your correct Doug, actually both the HEMI 4 speed that was tested by Hot Rod and the AT that was tested by them both still exist and are accounted for. The 4 speed car was at Talladega this year at the show and did a lap on the track to boot. Very nice car.

[Ghoste]

Is it not also the former Delefino car?

[nascarxx29]

Not sure on this didnt find the magazine .I think D Delfino car was in a NY based magazine hot cars or musclecars.It was a Hemi 4 speed .Not exact what color it mentioned .But I think it said thought it sounds odd but purple was mentioned.Also found this

10. 1969 CHARGER 500

ENGINE / 425 HORSEPOWER 426 HEMI 2x4 BARREL

AS TESTED / 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION AND 4.10 REAR

PERFORMANCE / 13.48 @ 109

DRAG TEST PUBLISHED / HOT ROD MAGAZINE 2/69

[Redbird]

Two more cars I'd add to my list:

14. Nichols/EPA Superbird
15. Christopher George Daytona used in "The Immortal" TV stills

Personally I don't think the EPA car contributed much if anything to the "death" of the muscle car, since it was from 1970 and car companies were already planning/prototyping a couple of model years forward. I do believe it probably did a lot of tests on airplane emissions and freeway particulates with results that are still used today.

The Christopher George car, from the studio publicity stills was a dark exterior color with white stripe, dark interior, Hemi, 15" wheel cover, sometype of radio car. On the publicity stills the front grill frame had been chromed in 1969. I wonder where this car is now? I've also wondered if this car has been mistaken for the Robert Gouliet car? Since there has been correspondence published that first Robert Gouliet had a Daytona, then later published that He didn't have a Daytona, folks want to think that a movie/recording star had a Daytona. There are a number of pictures of Christopher George posing next to a Hemi Daytona. Could someone decades ago have gotten the last name George and Gouliet mixed up? Christopher George is dead, but someone in the know could probably get in contact with someone who knew Christopher George or was associated with the 1 year TV series.

[nascarxx29]

I see car in background looks Y2 might be the Big Willie 440 car or the Gilbert Tarr hemi daytona the la dodge car also Y2?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41312.0.html

[Redbird]

The car used in the Christopher George publicity stills is a completely different car than the one in your shot. It is a DARK color, exactly as factory delivered except for the chromed front grill.

[nascarxx29]

Theres been some daytonas known with chrome grill frame .The Machado car shows as a performance show car.And had a chrome frame Also the earlier thread said Dean Jeffries knew about the car to be featured in future MCG issue.Car might have been customized to look better on tv?

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63446.0.html

[nascarxx29]

I recall the immortal show only ran for so many weeks .I have the old 69 TV guides looking up episodes.I think the show might be on the sci fi channel then and now

[UFO]

Not sure on this didnt find the magazine .I think D Delfino car was in a NY based magazine hot cars or musclecars.It was a Hemi 4 speed .Not exact what color it mentioned .But I think it said thought it sounds odd but purple was mentioned.

This one?
I think there's some editorial creativity in use.

[nascarxx29]

Thats the Dick Landelfino car as stated in musclecars 83 with the white daytona mule car in same issue.I got that magazine somewhere.Thanks thats the one I recall word for word.Going by the wheel covers it reminds you of the Mike Russo car which was also from NY.It also states it was a plum crazy color when he found it on the lot.But the only plum crazy colred 69 Hemi 500 was Jerry Services if Im correct

[Ghoste]

Did it not go from Delfino to Russo?

[nascarxx29]

I thought that to as there both from NY .But didnt Mike Russo 69 charger 500 Hemi story on his car after magazine was done with it it was found on a used car lot .And Jerry services car was a plum color at one time.And cant tell if this magazine 500 has PW or not

[nascarxx29]

And I have seen the that name Dilbert H Farb before in other automotive articles

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/Speed-And-Supercar-June-1970-Chevys-Aluminum-ZL-1_W0QQitemZ260528580003QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS:B:SILF:MY:101

[superbirdtom]

I was watching an episode of the Simpsons  and Homer was daydreaming back to his high school days, and he was driving a 70 Road Runner.  Ill bet everyone missed that all important car 

[71-500]

A modified '68 body? A pre-production test mule?

I wonder if it survived or if Chrysler crushed it.

[1969chargerrtse]

I noticed a couple articles say along with the 500's receased back window, the spoiler is higher.  It is?  The trunk lip in the back is higher than a stock charger?

[Brock Samson]

no

[Ghoste]

A modified '68 body? A pre-production test mule?

I wonder if it survived or if Chrysler crushed it.

Yes, this is the one we usually refer to as the Jerry Service car as that is the name of the person who currently owns it.

[C5X DAYTONA]

There are a few cars of importance but the #88 car would be #1  then in no particular order 68 Charger 500 Jerry Service the old Mike Russo 500 Car from my area Propane X .
Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ .Last whereabouts CA .Then daytonas the first one was a factory clone as suspected of Dale Reeker car 287970.And then the last daytona with the 434 vin would be my picks

The Propane X (rated X) car is in Los Angeles.  It is a 4-speed car.   I had the trans for a while.  I got it from Gary Nicholes who was the original driver of the Propane X car.   He said they took the trans out the night they got the car and put an automatic in it..

[nascarxx29]

Thats good to hear propane X is still alive .It used to be in NJ

[C5X DAYTONA]

Thats good to hear propane X is still alive .It used to be in NJ

Yea It was in NJ for many years.  It then went to Lake Elsinore CA for a while and now in the Hollywood area.  The guy said when he was sanding down the car for paint there was a naked lady on the door.. lol..   He didn't know the cars history AT ALL....  Sad.  Funny,  but he didn't seam to care much about that either.  He said he was a Chevy guy and just wanted a Hemi car and this one was cheep.  He paid 25g for it in the late 90s.  Last time I talked to him the car was beat up by vandals with a bat just after he had finished it...   

[tan top]

Thats good to hear propane X is still alive .It used to be in NJ

Yea It was in NJ for many years.  It then went to Lake Elsinore CA for a while and now in the Hollywood area.  The guy said when he was sanding down the car for paint there was a naked lady on the door.. lol..   He didn't know the cars history AT ALL....  Sad.  Funny,  but he didn't seam to care much about that either.  He said he was a Chevy guy and just wanted a Hemi car and this one was cheep.  He paid 25g for it in the late 90s.  Last time I talked to him the car was beat up by vandals with a bat just after he had finished it...   

intresting info !     oh no     the C500 was beaten up with a bat , Crikey , i'm imagining christine here !  how bad was it ?/  must of been repaired ??

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 Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ .Well its know in Ca 

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Not sure on this didnt find the magazine .I think D Delfino car was in a NY based magazine hot cars or musclecars.It was a Hemi 4 speed .Not exact what color it mentioned .But I think it said thought it sounds odd but purple was mentioned.

This one?
I think there's some editorial creativity in use.

What was written and what we are aware of doesnt exactly match up maybe 69 500 Danny has heard of the Dick Landefino Hemi 500.But this car does have PW and the wheel covers that Mike Russos car.But the thing it was a purple car?

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I don't know where they get the idea that it was a purple car. The Jerry Service car isn't purple either. It was a dark maroon color and then later painted to be like R4 red with lots of chrome under the hood and then I believe he has taken it back to the maroon color once again.

I don't believe that the car in the article is the same one as the Mike Russo car because of the paperwork I have on when Mike Russo purchased the car. I have him listed as owning the car as far back as 1971. And he did not sell it before the article came out in the early 80's. And it has only changed hands 2 times since Mike owned it as far as I know.
From everything I have on these cars numbers 110610 through 110615 all are identical in options, colors, and interior, other than some being 4 speeds and some AT's. All had the recall wheels, and all had power windows, all had consoles and all had the cloth insert seats that I know of. So it could be any one of the other ones in that group and I have not ever heard of a 110616 but who says that it wasn't a C500 as well. I just know of 110610-615.

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I thought it had only changed hands once since Mike owned it?

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I don't know where they get the idea that it was a purple car. The Jerry Service car isn't purple either. It was a dark maroon color and then later painted to be like R4 red with lots of chrome under the hood and then I believe he has taken it back to the maroon color once again.

I don't believe that the car in the article is the same one as the Mike Russo car because of the paperwork I have on when Mike Russo purchased the car. I have him listed as owning the car as far back as 1971. And he did not sell it before the article came out in the early 80's. And it has only changed hands 2 times since Mike owned it as far as I know.
From everything I have on these cars numbers 110610 through 110615 all are identical in options, colors, and interior, other than some being 4 speeds and some AT's. All had the recall wheels, and all had power windows, all had consoles and all had the cloth insert seats that I know of. So it could be any one of the other ones in that group and I have not ever heard of a 110616 but who says that it wasn't a C500 as well. I just know of 110610-615.

Hey Danny, I always thought the "Maroon" in 68 looked more Plum Crazy than the Grape color they called Plum Crazy in 1970 hehheh . Did Jerry restore his 500 to factory fresh as you think?   

Still looking for May or June 1968 dealer bulletins / memos about the end of the 68 4spd HEMI Charger orders.....   

Steve

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I don't know where they get the idea that it was a purple car.

Which is why I said I believe there's some creativity in that story.
The very same pics used in it are also used by Car Life mag.

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Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ .Well its know in Ca 

4-Speed car.   I found the trans in Gary Nicholes land fill..   And it was registered till it was taken off the road and made into a race only car..  Gary used to drive it on the street.  He actually has a ton of pictures of it as a new car..    That car was striped and a million holes drilled into her to lighten her up..

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The story here has to be about the 110610 car, as there is a letter from the magazine stating what happened to the car and how they repaired it and then it was sold in NY to Mike Russo.

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wow never seen of read that artical before thanks for sharing