Pic of that black 68 Charger that ran 200MPH....

[Blakcharger440]

Does anyone have a pic of that black 68 Dodge Charger that ran open road races and went 200mph on a fairly budgeted 440 build. I believe it was in Hot Rod many moons ago?

Anyone know about that or have pics???

[TK73]

This one?

[Mefirst]

Thats one BADass ride

[Andrew]

Anyone got anymore pics of it?

Possibly while racing?

[Charger4404spd]

The shot of the rear is awsome! Cool ride!

[TruckDriver]

I like to see more pics of the white Sema '68 that the guy made into a street legal NASCAR look alike this year. I saw a bit of it on Speed channel the other night.

[69_500]

I like how they sort of used a 69 charger 500 grille on the front of the car, also using the A pillar moldings. Well they used a race version of the 500 grille anyways. Made it flush. They could pick up some aero if they welded in a rear window plug.

[TK73]

This is cool:

[Afflyer]

TK that is a really cool looking car!

[bull]

Here's the secret to his speed -- 2.76:1 rear end.

[RT DAVE]

I had a 2.76 in mine and I had the speedo pegged once.  No idea how fast I was going, but I'm guessing 150 was inaccurate.  I'm guessing less & not more, but who knows...

[RD]

I have a 73 Charger SE that had a 400-2bbl w/2.76 gears.  I was racing a 68 383 charger into a town 10 miles away when I was a teenager.  My speedo stopped at 120 but it was pegged farther than that.  The 68's had a 150 speedo and said we were going 148mph.  That was the first and last time I have ever decided to go that fast.  Gotta love 2.76 gears!

[69_500]

Well I can say this we used to have a 2.76 rear end in a Daytona when I was younger, and you couldn't get the speedo to peg with that rear end in it, but I can also tell you this, when the speedo was reading 45 you were passing everybody on the interstate.

[Highbanked Hauler]

This is cool:

Thats my kind of car!!!!!!

[TruckDriver]

Isn't the 31 car Jim Vandiver's (spelling) old car?

[The Ghoul]

Wasent that the gole with the Hemi wing cars? I think i remember hearing some where that when they were designing the wing cars that they wanted a b-body that would handel 200mph with litting modifying for use in stock car?

[RallyeMike]

Here's the secret to his speed -- 2.76:1 rear end.

... combined with the grill and spoiler.    2.76 and 500hp wont do 190 all by itself in a 2nd gen.

Love that car, but iv'e never seen it out there - ? I always wondered what happened the "killer" Raod Runner the article said they were building.

['CUDA360]

I have a 2:76 chuck lying around too. (no suregrip)  would you bother to put a suregrip in for highspeed or would that just slow you down ??

[Silver R/T]

nice setup, except dont like cuda looking grille

[69_500]

Yes the winged cars were designed to go 200 and still be stable.

I was thinking the same thing about 500 HP and a 2.76 rear end. Wouldn't that thing be pulling about 9,000 rpm to get up to 190 mph in that sized car?

[6pkrtse]

I don't think there is any way to go 200MPH with that sixpack scoop on there without losing it. When I had one on my 69' pro street car runnin low 10's/mid 9's on spray. The hood looked like it was going to rip off at 120MPH or so.

[andy74]

in theory,the math tells you that a 1 to 1 gear,with 2.76s would need about 6600 rpm to do 190,with aero dynamics in the real world,who knows?still cool though

[69_500]

Right with just pure math of gear ratio's and horsepower, now factor in the drag for the car and I"m sure you looking at a much higher RPM. The 68 Chargers weren't known for  their aerodynamics, hince the reason they built a 500 and a Daytona in 69 to compete on the larger tracks in nascar.

[RallyeMike]

I think those old Ncar tires are 28" tall. I calc'd it once and remember rpm being in the upper 6000's as stated.

[69_500]

Does that take into account for the aerodynamic of the car?

[Highbanked Hauler]

Right with just pure math of gear ratio's and horsepower, now factor in the drag for the car and I"m sure you looking at a much higher RPM. The 68 Chargers weren't known for   their aerodynamics, hince the reason they built a 500 and a Daytona in 69 to compete on the larger tracks in nascar.

I just read an interview with Charley Glotzbach(sp) that said they were turning the cars up to 7200 at times.

[chargervert]

7000 plus RPM is not a stretch for a race prepped Hemi,but thats a lot of revs for a 440! The Hemi heads flow much better than the wedge heads!

[69_500]

For those of you interested we have the Charlie Glotzbach interview on DVD. It will be available here in the next few days. The same interview that Highbanked Hauler is refering too.

[Blakcharger440]

Yep,Thats the one I am talking about!  Wish I had video of that car hauling a$$ down a Nevada Open road race! Too cool!!!! Thanks for posting the pics!

[69_500]

by the way HighbankHauler, are you going to have your 69-500 clone car done soon? Or is that still a few years off? And when you get it done is the real 500 going to go back to stock appearance?

[Blusmbl]

Right with just pure math of gear ratio's and horsepower, now factor in the drag for the car and I"m sure you looking at a much higher RPM. The 68 Chargers weren't known for   their aerodynamics, hince the reason they built a 500 and a Daytona in 69 to compete on the larger tracks in nascar.

Drag has nothing to do with RPM required for a given speed.  Tire size, axle ratio, and final drive in the trans.  That's it... nothing more.  Horsepower yes, RPM no.

BTW- those are my scans of the Hot Rod article posted at the top of this page. 

[69_500]

I guess I'm still confused here. Are these formula's meant for like say a vacuum or something? Because to me my brain is saying that the weight of the car, and the aerodynamics of the car will also factor in as to what RPM you would need to be pulling to get a car up to a set speed. I mean say the car is a 1957 Chrysler 300C, or a 1983 Dodge Charger. Now obvious differences in aerodynamics, and obvious differences in weight and size. So are you guys saying it would take the same horsepower with the same axle ratio, same trans ratio, to get to the same top speed?

[Troy]

No, the horsepower is what overcomes the air resistance. The calculated top speed is wholly dependent on the engine RPM, trans gearing, and axle ratio. If the car has unlimited HP then it still has a max RPM so a change in gearing is the only way to adjust top speed. In the real world, engines don't have unlimited HP so the engine can only do so much work (pushing air). When the resistance (friction of all the moving parts plus the air) becomes equal to the max power then you are at top speed. If you want to go faster than that you either have to become more aerodynamic or add more power. No matter what, you still can't go faster than the parts will spin (usually slower).

Troy

[69_500]

I get that much of it, but the size of the vehicle has to come into factor somewhere. I get that the RPM is the limiting factor for what your saying. I understand that concept of it. That is why I was saying the origional part that he would do better with a flush rear window, because it is more aerodynamic. He must have already taken into thought some of that as he has the flush front grille, and A Pillar moldings already. I was just trying to say you can take a car that weighs the same, with the identical driveline, and engine, and go faster with say a Daytona than you could with a 59 Cadalac. Even if they weighted the same amount.

[Ghoste]

Yes, because it would take less horsepower to achieve the same rpm.

[69_500]

Now I think I have it all understood.

sorry for the hijack of the thread to edumacate this here hillbilli