How much is a 1970 440 6 pack worth?

[miller]

My uncle has the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Dodge charger with the following

440 6 Pack
Pistol Grip
Dana 60 with 4.10 Gears
29,000 Miles
Numbers Matching
Ground up restoration
Red with black Vynle top
White interior
Entire Car is flawless

My uncles looking at it right now...

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

[twodko]

I guess the price is whatever the market will bear but $80K seems steep to me.

Tom

[mopar_nut_440_6]

There was a members survivor 68 Charger 426 Hemi with a 4 speed for around 60,000 a month or so ago so I would think 80,000 is a bit high for a V code car.

[68X426]

Flawless is a very relative concept. For 80k it has to be mind-numbingly screaming perfect.

Making one's balls tingle is maybe worth 50k, so it's got to be one-of-a-kind for 80k.

[chargerboy69]

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

Ah yes.  Some sellers have not received the memo that their cars are not worth what they were a couple years ago.  I am guessing around half that.

I thought Troy (68hemicharger) had a 1970 440 6 Pack Charger for sale.  And I did not think he was asking that kind of money.  But I think it needed some work.  Could be wrong though.

[mopar_nut_440_6]

Last I heard Troy did have a 70 V code car in reasonable shape for 20,000. It will need a restoration but he has already accumulated quite a few pieces as I recall.

[Hemidoug]

Depends on how motivated he is to sell it. At 80K I think I'd sit that one out. At 50K you'd better be able to eat off it. Part time street driven "show" car I'd say 35K would be right..... That is unless there was a sudden uptick in the collector car market.

[maxwellwedge]

My uncle has the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Dodge charger with the following

440 6 Pack
Pistol Grip
Dana 60 with 4.10 Gears
29,000 Miles
Numbers Matching
Ground up restoration
Red with black Vynle top
White interior
Entire Car is flawless

My uncles looking at it right now...

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

A true ground up restoration would just about double that 80k in the resto alone.

[Johnny SixPack]

Miller, have you tried asking over on the '70 Registry?

http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/viewforum.php?f=1

[tan top]

My uncle has the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Dodge charger with the following

440 6 Pack
Pistol Grip
Dana 60 with 4.10 Gears
29,000 Miles
Numbers Matching
Ground up restoration
Red with black Vynle top
White interior
Entire Car is flawless

My uncles looking at it right now...

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

sounds a real nice 70 ! any pictures

[hemi68charger]

Last I heard Troy did have a 70 V code car in reasonable shape for 20,000. It will need a restoration but he has already accumulated quite a few pieces as I recall.

Yeap,, still have my v-code project..............  Not sure if I'm going to sell now that I have "other" mopar plans..... But, as they say, never say never.....

I think 80K for a v-code NOWADAYS might be too steep........

Troy

[chargergirl]

My private Encyclopedia says that it would have to have been dealer installed 6 pack. So if it is truly perfect and full resto then might be worth that money. Does it have a fiberglass, lift off, dealer installed hood? And do you have a killer mechanic or are you a killer mechanic? They are a bitch to tune...but (as we all know) bitchin' when they're tuned.

[hemi-hampton]

My private Encyclopedia says that it would have to have been dealer installed 6 pack. So if it is truly perfect and full resto then might be worth that money. Does it have a fiberglass, lift off, dealer installed hood? And do you have a killer mechanic or are you a killer mechanic? They are a bitch to tune...but (as we all know) bitchin' when they're tuned.

Only 1969 & 1/2 440+6 Super Bee & Roadrunner came with the fiberglass lift off hood.

[1969chargerrtse]

They way things are selling today, for 80,000.00 he could probably buy a house.  The problem that lies here is that it is probably worth every penny.... 4 years ago.  To do a restoration as you described probably cost most of the 80,000.00 asking price, but times have changed my friend and 80,000.00 for a 440 car is a lot of money.

[Cooter]

My uncle has the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Dodge charger with the following

440 6 Pack
Pistol Grip
Dana 60 with 4.10 Gears
29,000 Miles
Numbers Matching
Ground up restoration
Red with black Vynle top
White interior
Entire Car is flawless

My uncles looking at it right now...

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

A true ground up restoration would just about double that 80k in the resto alone.

Thank you, and Amen......

[Hemidoug]

My uncle has the opportunity to purchase a 1970 Dodge charger with the following

440 6 Pack
Pistol Grip
Dana 60 with 4.10 Gears
29,000 Miles
Numbers Matching
Ground up restoration
Red with black Vynle top
White interior
Entire Car is flawless

My uncles looking at it right now...

Is 80,000 to much for the car?

A true ground up restoration would just about double that 80k in the resto alone.

Yeah....maybe if you paid someone to do the whole thing.....it wouldn't cost half that if you did most of the work yourself. I don't think it cost more then 40K to do my Hemi car....most of the cost was the paint job. You would be hard pressed to spend 160K on a ground up resto...

[maxwellwedge]

Depending on the shape of the car and you have the engine, trans, rear end rebuild and of course the stupid pricing on NOS parts - well I have spent more than that      and then (I'm sure his wife doesn't know) our own Hemigeno may or may not be approaching that 

I am talking a true "ground up". Dash, guages, complete interior, stainless, lighting, wheels, exhaust, suspension, steering....every single part, clip, fastener scrutinized, drivetrain, glass, seals etc. etc. etc. Material costs alone have gone crazy.

[Cooter]

I  was one that unfortunately made the fateful mistake on another forum of assuming that because you are into older cars, you of course must be able to restore/repair/know something about them...I've learned since then, there are Car guys that are into these cars and do their own work, then there are car guys that can't/won't/refuse to, but expect to "turn a buck" when it's
Perfect"...The latter are the ones that usually expect to spend a caertain amount, then when they actually figure up their receipts, they catch a heart attack...These are the folks I'm refering to when I think one could EASILY have $80K in a Total Restoration...Parts and LABOR...

[maxwellwedge]

I went with a notable restorer on a few cars - One 100% and a few were "shave and a hair cut" jobs. I do a lot of my own work (mechanical, disassembly and reassembly) except for body and paint - which - for the rarity/value of these cars I think - for me is best left to the best. The stuff has to be straight and painted right on my Mopes.

On the car that was 100% restored by someone else I had goals. To get OE Gold at the Mopar Nats, get best of show and have a lot of articles written about the details to help other people who wanted their whole car or at least different parts of it factory correct. Mission accomplished. Will I do it again? Probably not. Did it hurt? Yup! You are just not finding NOS dated coded mufflers, shocks etc anymore without paying 1000's and 1000's for the parts.

I work on all of my stuff and drive all of my stuff. I have built engines and transmissions over the years too. I would take a super clean survivor 10:1 over a OE resto. It is a very, very rare thing for me to sell a car - they become family and as long as I have room and a few bucks in my pocket they are all staying with me!

[Troy]

So the question is: is the car "restored" in the true sense of the word or has it just been disassembled and reassembled in much nicer condition? Some guys think a paint job deserves the "restored" label (see any number of eBay and Craigslist ads for "nut and bolt restoration" cars with shiny paint but pitted chrome, missing parts, aftermarket parts, and ripped/faded interior).

Assuming this car wasn't done at one of the more renowned shops for big bucks, I think it sounds too expensive. Of course, I'd have no intention of buying it so my opinion probably isn't worth much.

Troy

[maxwellwedge]

Right Troy - When I hear "Ground - Up" resto I assume 100% 

"Frame-Off" - well that's even better! 

[chargergirl]

My private Encyclopedia says that it would have to have been dealer installed 6 pack. So if it is truly perfect and full resto then might be worth that money. Does it have a fiberglass, lift off, dealer installed hood? And do you have a killer mechanic or are you a killer mechanic? They are a bitch to tune...but (as we all know) bitchin' when they're tuned.

Only 1969 & 1/2 440+6 Super Bee & Roadrunner came with the fiberglass lift off hood.

You are right! These came from the factory like that. There's a dealer installed 69 in Crestivew fiberglass lift off hood and 6 pack. Seperate vin tag under the hood just for that. So there were cars that were "upgraded" at the dealer. If remembering correctly they were down with Mopar Hustle Stuff prior to Direct Connection. Written "hippie" style where every letter touches the proceeding letter.

[SeattleCharger]

 

[Arthu®]

My private Encyclopedia says that it would have to have been dealer installed 6 pack. So if it is truly perfect and full resto then might be worth that money. Does it have a fiberglass, lift off, dealer installed hood? And do you have a killer mechanic or are you a killer mechanic? They are a bitch to tune...but (as we all know) bitchin' when they're tuned.

Only 1969 & 1/2 440+6 Super Bee & Roadrunner came with the fiberglass lift off hood.

You are right! These came from the factory like that. There's a dealer installed 69 in Crestivew fiberglass lift off hood and 6 pack. Seperate vin tag under the hood just for that. So there were cars that were "upgraded" at the dealer. If remembering correctly they were down with Mopar Hustle Stuff prior to Direct Connection. Written "hippie" style where every letter touches the proceeding letter.

And this was on a Charger? I have never heard of a Charger with fiberglass lift off hood...

[hemi68charger]

So the question is: is the car "restored" in the true sense of the word or has it just been disassembled and reassembled in much nicer condition? Some guys think a paint job deserves the "restored" label (see any number of eBay and Craigslist ads for "nut and bolt restoration" cars with shiny paint but pitted chrome, missing parts, aftermarket parts, and ripped/faded interior).

Assuming this car wasn't done at one of the more renowned shops for big bucks, I think it sounds too expensive. Of course, I'd have no intention of buying it so my opinion probably isn't worth much.

Troy

No truer words spoken... One man's "concourse restoration" (off brand guy with no-mopar clue) and another man's "Oh-no-this-is-all-wrong...."

Troy, the DB other one.....

[chargergirl]

My private Encyclopedia says that it would have to have been dealer installed 6 pack. So if it is truly perfect and full resto then might be worth that money. Does it have a fiberglass, lift off, dealer installed hood? And do you have a killer mechanic or are you a killer mechanic? They are a bitch to tune...but (as we all know) bitchin' when they're tuned.

Only 1969 & 1/2 440+6 Super Bee & Roadrunner came with the fiberglass lift off hood.

You are right! These came from the factory like that. There's a dealer installed 69 in Crestivew fiberglass lift off hood and 6 pack. Seperate vin tag under the hood just for that. So there were cars that were "upgraded" at the dealer. If remembering correctly they were down with Mopar Hustle Stuff prior to Direct Connection. Written "hippie" style where every letter touches the proceeding letter.

And this was on a Charger? I have never heard of a Charger with fiberglass lift off hood...

The Super Bee & the Roadrunner would come with fiberglass lift off hood...option code...812 if memory serves correctly. However have seen one Dealer installed lift of on Charger. It had same hood scoop, add on fender tag from the dealer to denote that it was dealer installed, fiberglass hood.

[Hemidoug]

However have seen one Dealer installed lift of on Charger. It had same hood scoop, add on fender tag from the dealer to denote that it was dealer installed, fiberglass hood.

Really? A data tag added by the dealer denoting a dealer installed aftermarket hood? I'd like to see more then just a tag for that one.

[hemi-hampton]

 

[chargergirl]

Don't have a pic cause the car wasn't purchased by us. Wish we did take pics it would be good to have...I wasn't the wife during the ordeal or we WOULD have that car!

[Hemidoug]

Don't have a pic cause the car wasn't purchased by us. Wish we did take pics it would be good to have...I wasn't the wife during the ordeal or we WOULD have that car!

Well....I got news for you....

IT WAS A HUMP! No dealer EVER added a data tag to a car because of something aftermarket they added to the car.....NEVER.

You would have bought a FRAUD.....count your lucky stars....you dodged a bullit.

[chargergirl]

For $1000 hump or not it would have been a great car...never seen once since so it does seem strange but it would have made a GREAT race car!