selling the smallville charger?

[ChargerBill]

I just gotta wonder WHY? Why do this to a '69 that's already a General Lee instead of just finding a blue '68? There HAS to be more to the story. Did Stuntman offer to paint the car blue on his dime? Was the car going to be sold anyway and he saw this as an opportunity (however misguided it is) to boost value? And if you look at the website the WHOLE car wasn't repainted...the vinyl top went over the orange paint and flag. And they simply scuffed the orange down on the car and shot over it, so did they just scuff the blue down and shoot back over it? Exactly HOW MUCH paint is on this car? Even if all the blue DID come back off (which is questionable) there is still way too many layers of orange on this car...new over old. This just seems like a lesson in how to screw up a perfectly fine car. It sounds to me like no one really wins, except Stuntman if he makes a BIG profit on the car. It just looks like a lot of work for very little payoff IMO.

Oh yeah, BTW: I STILL think his claim that this was the last GL driven by Bo and Luke is fraudulent...it wasn't a GL when they drove it. Sorry...this whole deal isn't up to snuff IMO.

[Charger_Fan]

I still can't understand why they paint over all the General's colors to make it a stock Charger
wouldn't you just use a stock Charger already?

That's what I was thinking when I first heard about it! I was gonna ask...but decided I didn't really care that much.

I care even less today.

[Troy]

What's the point in worrying about it? Do you guys have nothing else to do other than worry about what someone else does with his car?

Here's what he had to say about it on CGLFC and that's more than enough of an explanation:
"I'm selling it because I don't have a 401k. I have a GL, and I need to cash in."

For what it's worth, Stuntman works in the movie/tv industry so that's one way to get a car featured (or at least seen) in a show. Believe it or not, some people will pay a lot of money for cars that were TV props. Before Smallville it also one of the promotional cars for the movie and starred in a magazine and a music video. The car was painted blue in order to get it on the Smallville set so that it could be driven by the original Duke boys. To a Dukes fan I'm sure this would mean a lot since the opportunity isn't likely to come up very often. There's a lot of history behind the car as well and it seems like no one here really bothered to research a thing before dissing it (or someone's livelihood). Not to mention, the car looks pretty incredible for what its been through. This is not some junker that was painted orange by some hillbillies in order to make a quick buck.

If the opportunity was there to make a nice profit on a car with some history in order to make life better then who here wouldn't sell it? And if you were going to sell it wouldn't you promote it to get the best profit possible?

Troy

[The Ghoul]

Do you guys have nothing else to do other than worry about what someone else does with his car?

yeah, thats pritty much it.
It just dont make sence to me but what ever floats there boat, and what ever they can do to make money off of it. Just think its very silly.

[Recharger]

I might be a bit missguided on this one but let me try to get this streight.
they took a genral lee
re painted it and threw on a top to make it look stock?
had the boys drive it on one of there failing sit-coms
and are now selling it as the last genral driven by the duke boys?
when tom wopat owns one and drives it on a regular basis?.....
Um...
if i payed that much for a charger I would be mad that the intirror doors look like crap.
unless it came with jessica simpson.. it wich case it would be worth it to be able to smack her around on a regular basis.
"WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN ACT, OR SING, OR BE ANY THING OTHER THAN SOFT CORE EYECANDY?!" *smack*

No, no, no, you have it all wrong.   Smallville is a drama.     

For what it's worth, Stuntman works in the movie/tv industry so that's one way to get a car featured (or at least seen) in a show. Believe it or not, some people will pay a lot of money for cars that were TV props. Before Smallville it also one of the promotional cars for the movie and starred in a magazine and a music video. The car was painted blue in order to get it on the Smallville set so that it could be driven by the original Duke boys. To a Dukes fan I'm sure this would mean a lot since the opportunity isn't likely to come up very often. There's a lot of history behind the car as well and it seems like no one here really bothered to research a thing before dissing it (or someone's livelihood). Not to mention, the car looks pretty incredible for what its been through. This is not some junker that was painted orange by some hillbillies in order to make a quick buck.

If the opportunity was there to make a nice profit on a car with some history in order to make life better then who here wouldn't sell it? And if you were going to sell it wouldn't you promote it to get the best profit possible?

Troy

    I don't see how this guy is having any worse an impact on the hobby than anyone else.     Seems to me there's a bit of jealousy floating around among those who don't have a more "special" car to cash in on...   You can't tell me you wouldn't use any possible angle available to you to maximize your return if you were selling your car.   You'd be dumb not to.   It's marketing 101.

Just because you don't see value in what he's promoting, doesn't mean no one else will either, and it doesn't mean he's taking advantage of GL fans.   You may see value in a 1 of 1 oddly optioned survivor car while I see a car that just isn't what I want.   To each his own.

[blade trinity]

The Blade TV pilot has rented my Blade Trinity Charger for 5 shooting days now and they have been picked up for another 13 episodes.  I think I'll keep (renting out) MY car!!

[ChargerBill]

All I'm saying is this: I'll BELIEVE that it was the last General Lee driven by Bo and Luke when I see a PHOTO of it AS A GENERAL LEE in motion with one of them behind the wheel and the other riding shotgun. Otherwise, it's a blue Charger driven by Bo and Luke Duke...

He can make ANY claim he wants, but it doesn't make that claim any less of a stretch of the truth. It's his car to sell...I hope he sells it, but I don't see him getting even close to 401K money for it.

I'm done here...

[Andrew]

In some pics its a '68, In others its a '69.

Now it has no side marker lights.


What kind of fuckup would do such a thing?

[Troy]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought... 

Again, the entire story of this car exists on the internet. There's such a thing as Google.

Troy

[HAZZARDJOHN]

In some pics its a '68, In others its a '69.

Now it has no side marker lights.


What kind of fuckup would do such a thing?

First off, most of that was movie magic. After the WB took over making generals, They filled in all the marker lights. A lot of replicas are done this way. Stuntman's was done this way from the start. There first unit car was a blue '68 R/T. He let them use his car for all the stuntwork and hard driving including the jump. The converted his car to a '68. The sidemarkers you see during the Smallville conversion are just metal washers glued on the side of his car. Look at the '68 tailights when it was converted. Notice how they are sitting in there odd. That's because the made them fit into a '69 tailight panel. Now I am amazed at how upset some of you people get. This is supposed to be fun. If this hobby upsets you guys so much maybe it's time to sell your cars and take up playing checkers. C'mon guys, If you think he's trying to rip someone off he's not. If you thinks he's asking too much for his car, don't buy it. If you don't like that it was painted like a GL. Tough. Don't look at it.   If you don't like the Dukes of Hazzard, deal with it. There are a lot of us here who think it was a wonderful piece of are childhood. Now can we let this go. and get back to being cival here. Remember life is too short, don't sweat the small stuff.

Thanks and have a great day!
HJ

[Chris G.]

Here's what he had to say about it on CGLFC and that's more than enough of an explanation:
"I'm selling it because I don't have a 401k. I have a GL, and I need to cash in."
Troy

He says this in the auction... "The General is being sold at this time to fund the next step in my music career, and it is truly sad for me to lose such a historic piece of television nostalgia. My loss - Your gain."  


Also (for anyone), Does Warner Bros. own Smallville or is it just on their network? I have seen shows jump networks before, and was wondering if the networks actually own these shows.

[Troy]

It's been on eBay a few times. I may have quoted that from when he was selling it after the most recent Dukes movie.  It's not like I sit around doing research all day for people who are too lazy to look anything up. Oh wait... I guess that is what I do.

Troy

[Chris G.]

It's been on eBay a few times. I may have quoted that from when he was selling it after the most recent Dukes movie.   It's not like I sit around doing research all day for people who are too lazy to look anything up. Oh wait... I guess that is what I do.

Troy

  and I didn't need Google.  I guess you could buy his CD in order to help him with his 401K? 

[ChargerBill]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

[The Ghoul]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought...  

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

[HAZZARDJOHN]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

This is HIS ebay ad:

"Vehicle Description
   This is it - the last ever Dodge Charger driven by the original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat on Network Television on the hit Warner Bros show, 'Smallville'. Included with the car will be full paper documention, 100's of behind the scene photos with the cast, the Duke boys, and the stunts, as well as behind the scenes video footage of the 2 mini jumps performed (including bloopers of the vinyl top coming off in one scene)."

"This is also the last ever General Lee contracted by Warner Bros to be built. Period. After the Original Series, and after the made for TV Movies, and after the Dukes Theatrical Release. The last one. Warner bros built the car back to General Lee status after Smallville filming was completed. Currently, it looks like this:"

I just went back and reread his description. First off, He never said they drove a GL in the show, just that John and Tom both drove that car on T.V.! The stretch is that they will never be together again driving a Charger on T.V. That is probably true, but I don't like to think so. Second problem you guys are haveing with this car is the last WB built General Lee. Well let's disect that. They (WB)   rebuilt the car from the ground up AFTER the show. They repainted it, and they gave valid documentation. That makes this car currently the last WB built general lee. Whether you consider it a replica or not, is not the point. Once again his truth stretching is the way it is written like there will never be another WB General Lee. Once again he might very well be right, but the "EVER" part is a strong statement. And once again, This is his car, his hard work, and I think putting him down like he worked for HLPAG is unwarranted.   Would you guys be this upset if his add said nothing about the car's history? Once again I go back to, if it is nothing to you than don't buy it. If you don't like the GL paint Job don't buy it. I think it is a perfectly legitimate add. I wouldn't pay that much for the car. but that that doesn't mean it isn't worth it to somebody. And even if it isn't, what does it matter? This is suppose to be fun isn't it? Just my 2Cents again

Have a great day!
John

[ChargerBill]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

This is HIS ebay ad:

"Vehicle Description
   This is it - the last ever Dodge Charger driven by the original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat on Network Television on the hit Warner Bros show, 'Smallville'. Included with the car will be full paper documention, 100's of behind the scene photos with the cast, the Duke boys, and the stunts, as well as behind the scenes video footage of the 2 mini jumps performed (including bloopers of the vinyl top coming off in one scene)."

"This is also the last ever General Lee contracted by Warner Bros to be built. Period. After the Original Series, and after the made for TV Movies, and after the Dukes Theatrical Release. The last one. Warner bros built the car back to General Lee status after Smallville filming was completed. Currently, it looks like this:"

I just went back and reread his description. First off, He never said they drove a GL in the show, just that John and Tom both drove that car on T.V.! The stretch is that they will never be together again driving a Charger on T.V. That is probably true, but I don't like to think so. Second problem you guys are haveing with this car is the last WB built General Lee. Well let's disect that. They (WB)   rebuilt the car from the ground up AFTER the show. They repainted it, and they gave valid documentation. That makes this car currently the last WB built general lee. Whether you consider it a replica or not, is not the point. Once again his truth stretching is the way it is written like there will never be another WB General Lee. Once again he might very well be right, but the "EVER" part is a strong statement. And once again, This is his car, his hard work, and I think putting him down like he worked for HLPAG is unwarranted.   Would you guys be this upset if his add said nothing about the car's history? Once again I go back to, if it is nothing to you than don't buy it. If you don't like the GL paint Job don't buy it. I think it is a perfectly legitimate add. I wouldn't pay that much for the car. but that that doesn't mean it isn't worth it to somebody. And even if it isn't, what does it matter? This is suppose to be fun isn't it? Just my 2Cents again

Have a great day!
John

John, sorry to have to inform you of this, but you are a little misinformed. He has CHANGED the ebay ad since the last 2 times I read it...it DID originally say "the last ever General Lee driven by original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat". Hmmm, I wonder why he changed it? Have any idea? I do.... Seems like we hit a nerve, and once he was called on it he changed his tune. Honestly, if the ad had been written this way to begin with and the car wasn't presented as "the last General Lee driven by original Duke boys yadda, yadda" this discussion probably would have NEVER taken place.

As far as it being the LAST GL EVER built by WB...well, let the buyer beware, because that statement IS true as of TODAY. However, tomorrow they make make a press release to the contrary...who knows.

[Troy]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought... 

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone else's car when you've never had to build one yourself. People put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people to spend 10 seconds to read because they need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

[The Ghoul]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought...  

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone else's car when you've never had to build one yourself. People put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people to spend 10 seconds to read because they need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Instead of some one that tends to make brad generalizations, based on a few cases that they have seen. Seems much better to me.
You don’t know where they are coming from, could be a situation like me, where they grew up in the garage next to there dad working on these cars. They could know there stuff but be written off because they are so young and care free. You are not going to live forever, who would you rather have buy your car when you are gone, some one that attempts to learn more about the thing they love or the one that buys a car on a whim just because classic cars are fashionable? Yes some of the younger guys/gals might not have the proper respect but they have the drive you learn more about the cars they love.
Yes he needs the money so he is selling the car. But making the statement that it’s the last general lee to be driven by the fellas is just perception. What we are really debating here is at what point do you consider a car a general lee?
Dose it cease to be a GL when it is repainted?
I feel this is the debate at hand not, "your young and live with your folks and have no responsibility so you can’t possibly know what your talking about. That’s the problem with your whole generation trying to be an active member of a group without knowing any thing"
I felt that it was a bit of a stretch to bill it as such when what you are buying is not visibly a general lee, could have been at one time, but is not at the time of purchase.
I don’t feel that it is the last general lee driven buy the boys because it wasn’t a general lee when they drove it.

[Ghoste]

Ina any case, the ad is changed now and it seems pretty clear that he means they drove it on an episode of Smallville.  As to the question of whether or not it's a GL, it almost seems like splitting hairs at this point.

[Troy]

Ummm... cudaeh
1. I know who Andrew is and I actually do read almost all the posts (here and on C-C.com where he usually is) so I'm not making assumptions about an entire generation. I was commenting specifically on what he said and on the rash of similar posts by similar members on this site. Don't read more into it that what I said.
2. What I commented on (that you responded to) had nothing to do with it being a General Lee.
3. My comments were directly related to the attitude and language in the post that I responded to. I have nothing against a generation but I do have a lot of ideas about how people should treat/respect others.
4. Your other comments really had nothing to do with what I said so I'll keep it short and sweet.

Troy

[HAZZARDJOHN]

I take back some of the stuff I said then. I still don't understand why so many people are upset by this. That is the only ad I have read of his. If he changed, I guess my bad for not reading it right away. Now I hope we can all start being a little cival around here. This is suppose to be a fun hobby the last time I check.

Have a great day!
John

[The Ghoul]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

[Troy]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

No wonder this is so difficult. Ever heard of "context"? Try reading the entire paragraph as one. I'll highlight the relevant points for you:

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone (a person other than the one writing) else's car when you've (anyone in particular) never had to build one yourself (again, anyone in particular). People (anyone who has built/restored a car) put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone (Andrew specifically since this is a reference to his post) living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people (Andrew again) to spend 10 seconds to read because they (Andrew again) need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner (Stuntman) certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster (Andrew again) can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

So there. Only the very last sentence has anything resembling a "brad generalization" (sp) about the younger generation and it is entirely true on this board (reference mustanghater, ChargerPUNK and his brother, et al). You don't fit into that group but if you feel it was aimed in your direction then possibly things are clearer now. You even quoted the part about calling names even though it is a reference specifically to Andrew's post. I thought I was fairly specific but next time I'll type slower so everyone can keep up.

Troy

[Troy]

On a side note, the auction ended and Stuntman isn't around. Hard to believe he wouldn't want to post here isn't it?

Troy