selling the smallville charger?

[hydroforce]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Dodge-Charger-General-Lee-SMALLVILLE-PICTURE-CAR-LAST-WB-GENERAL-LEE-EVER-MADE_W0QQitemZ4595249291QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
does anyone know the reserve?

[253862656971]

It's Stuntman's car.  PM him and ask.  It must not have met the reserve the first time because I've seen it before.

[Charger_Fan]

Here's the previous auction... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Warner-Bros-Picture-car-Last-Driven-By-Real-Dukes_W0QQitemZ4592039720QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[ChargerBill]

Does this really qualify as the last general driven by the Dukes if it wasn't painted like a General when they drove it? Does this seem like kind of a stretch or is it just me?

[Chris G.]

Does this really qualify as the last general driven by the Dukes if it wasn't painted like a General when they drove it? Does this seem like kind of a stretch or is it just me?

Bill, stop the presses, I think we actually agree on something (other than SilverRT).

I don't care if he's a member or not. He flaunts his car like it's the holy grail of GL's.

My personal opinion is...who cares? It's an insignificant part of the real shows history. I think he was hoping (dreaming) of getting over 35K for it.

[69charger2002]

    

[jaak]

Does this really qualify as the last general driven by the Dukes if it wasn't painted like a General when they drove it? Does this seem like kind of a stretch or is it just me?

Bill, stop the presses, I think we actually agree on something (other than SilverRT).

I don't care if he's a member or not. He flaunts his car like it's the holy grail of GL's.

My personal opinion is...who cares? It's an insignificant part of the real shows history. I think he was hoping (dreaming) of getting over 35K for it. You guys wanna blame people for ruining the hobby? It's guys like this that are doing it right under your noses. Oh...

  well said

[ChargerBill]

I've been a little irritated by this since all the self promotion was going on during the Smallville episode discussions. "Anyone see the cool Charger on Smallville?" or whatever it said and then you get into the thread and it's all abote ME and MY this and that. Could have been handled more tactfully and less like a 5th grader raising his hand in class because he knew the right answer. And then trying to sell a car for more than it's really worth because you have a picture of Bo and Luke standing by it (while it's blue I might ad). I mean, c'mon...if it were an original Dukes General Lee I could see the hype, but this is a clone (if I'm not mistaken) and it was in about 1 minute worth of film on one episode of Smallville. It's not the Holy Grail...it's a basic Charger.

It's hard to get excited about this car when we have BEAUTIFUL Chargers like Ginger, Chris' '69, your '70, MikeD's beautiful candy Charger, AllBlue sweet purple Charger, Troy's massive collection, Jim's 493 running low 11's, beautiful Daytonas, 500's and Hemi cars, one of the real BLADE Chargers and even members who own real WB General Lee's... Hey, enthusiasm is great, but when it's shouted from the rooftops in order to boost the price on a car that isn't even a milestone, a show winner or a significant movie car it gets old real fast.

[BigBlockSam]

 

[CNH 320]

Yea... what you said. Pass me the popcrn 

[Duke_of_Canada]

To me, I guess it all depends on why he's selling it.  I can sort of relate.  In August, when the Dukes movie was coming out, I put mine up on Ebay just in case somebody with way more money than me decided they just had to have a General Lee.  I put a pretty high reserve on it, because I wasn't really WANTing to sell the car, but if someone was going to give me the kind of money I was asking for it, they could have it.  Did I expect it to sell?  No.  Did it sell?  No.  Am I upset it didn't sell?  Well, the cash would have been nice, but ultimately, no.  (For the record, if it had sold, I would have been building a new one).

So if he's trying to 'strike while the iron is hot' and sell the car while it's in people's minds, and he gets it, well more power to him.  Some say that people like him are ruining the hobby.  Why?  If he wants to sell his car, that's completely his right.  Just like if he wanted to jump it over the old creek and destroy it Dukes style, that's his right too.  Anything, whether it's a car, a house, or a box of paperclips, is worth exactly what somebody will pay for it.  If you don't like him selling his car while it's on people's minds, your best option is to buy it so you can then do what you think is best for it.

Just my 

[JimShine]

I think the iron started cooling two weeks after the movie came out.

[Ghoste]

There's selling a car while it's on people's minds and then there's, well, this.

[The Ghoul]

I might be a bit missguided on this one but let me try to get this streight.
they took a genral lee
re painted it and threw on a top to make it look stock?
had the boys drive it on one of there failing sit-coms
and are now selling it as the last genral driven by the duke boys?
when tom wopat owns one and drives it on a regular basis?.....
Um...
if i payed that much for a charger I would be mad that the intirror doors look like crap.
unless it came with jessica simpson.. it wich case it would be worth it to be able to smack her around on a regular basis.
"WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN ACT, OR SING, OR BE ANY THING OTHER THAN SOFT CORE EYECANDY?!" *smack*

[NHCharger]

I've been a little irritated by this since all the self promotion was going on during the Smallville episode discussions. "Anyone see the cool Charger on Smallville?" or whatever it said and then you get into the thread and it's all abote ME and MY this and that.

I think that comes with the territory as far as the business he's in. If you don't promote yourself and look after #1 you will never get ahead in his line of work.
What does he do anyway

[BigBlockSam]

jessica simpson made $35000000 last yr. theres no justice in this world

[BB1]

With only rocks in her head too. 

[Shakey]

If someone had said to me "Shakey, you are the final and deciding vote as to whether this is right or wrong, please enlighten us":

I would say that true, it is a bit of strecth, if not a big stretch with regards to the promotion of the car.

However, it is his car and he can choose to write / print whatever he feels like when it comes to trying to sell the car as it is him that must explain his actions / words to the potential buyer. 

Kinda stuck on the line here.  I guess since I do not intend to buy the car, it dosen't bother me that much. 

As far as ruining the hobby, I think there are others out there that do a far worse / better job of ruining this hobby than some guy trying to flog an old Dodge on e-bay with some text that may stretch the truth a bit.  Would you pay $850.00 USD for an NOS flip top fuel cap for your '69 Charger?  Not me, at least not at this point in my career!

[69_500]

Where did you see a NOS flip top for $850? That's crazy. I know i have at least half a dozen of them laying in my garage right now. Man I need to sell some of this stuff I've been saving.


As for it being a stretch, yeah its a far stretch. Who is to say the Duke boys haven't driven another GL since the making of the Show. Yeah it was used in Smallville, which is by no means as popular as DOH was. So that is probably why he tried the line of the last GL drove by them. To me it all doesn't matter. I wouldn't pay any more money for a car if it was a in  movie or anything. The only things that matter to me in cars is WHAT IT CAME WITH FROM THE FACTORY. If it didn't come with it, I'm not paying more for it now having it. PERIOD. The only cars I'd pay more for now, is one that my dad used to own, just for sentimental value.

[hydroforce]

I still can't understand why they paint over all the General's colors to make it a stock Charger
wouldn't you just use a stock Charger already?

[TK73]

I still can't understand why they paint over all the General's colors to make it a stock Charger
wouldn't you just use a stock Charger already?

yep...



I guess he can say wahtever he wants about his car.  Fortunately, I can say whatever I want about DOH: that show SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED.

[greenpigs]

Dunno, but sounds like stuntman burned a bridge or two.

[Ghoste]

Nah, we're just all feeling pissy cuz no one's posted about the 06 Charger lately.  Oh damn, I went and said it again didn't I.

[MOPARHOUND!]

A friend of mine in the local Mopar club put his General Lee up for sale on eBay for the heck of it shortly after the movie came out.  Car is mostly correct, with roll bar, tan interior, correct wheels, etc.  It has a built 440 in it, with over $8,000 spent on it.  He has about $20,000 in the car.

He put a sky high reserve on it of $50,000, and the bidding ended at $38,000.  One guy was still pursuing him with offers in the $40,000+ range, IIRC.

[hydroforce]

i'd sell it and buy another........

[ChargerBill]

I just gotta wonder WHY? Why do this to a '69 that's already a General Lee instead of just finding a blue '68? There HAS to be more to the story. Did Stuntman offer to paint the car blue on his dime? Was the car going to be sold anyway and he saw this as an opportunity (however misguided it is) to boost value? And if you look at the website the WHOLE car wasn't repainted...the vinyl top went over the orange paint and flag. And they simply scuffed the orange down on the car and shot over it, so did they just scuff the blue down and shoot back over it? Exactly HOW MUCH paint is on this car? Even if all the blue DID come back off (which is questionable) there is still way too many layers of orange on this car...new over old. This just seems like a lesson in how to screw up a perfectly fine car. It sounds to me like no one really wins, except Stuntman if he makes a BIG profit on the car. It just looks like a lot of work for very little payoff IMO.

Oh yeah, BTW: I STILL think his claim that this was the last GL driven by Bo and Luke is fraudulent...it wasn't a GL when they drove it. Sorry...this whole deal isn't up to snuff IMO.

[Charger_Fan]

I still can't understand why they paint over all the General's colors to make it a stock Charger
wouldn't you just use a stock Charger already?

That's what I was thinking when I first heard about it! I was gonna ask...but decided I didn't really care that much.

I care even less today.

[Troy]

What's the point in worrying about it? Do you guys have nothing else to do other than worry about what someone else does with his car?

Here's what he had to say about it on CGLFC and that's more than enough of an explanation:
"I'm selling it because I don't have a 401k. I have a GL, and I need to cash in."

For what it's worth, Stuntman works in the movie/tv industry so that's one way to get a car featured (or at least seen) in a show. Believe it or not, some people will pay a lot of money for cars that were TV props. Before Smallville it also one of the promotional cars for the movie and starred in a magazine and a music video. The car was painted blue in order to get it on the Smallville set so that it could be driven by the original Duke boys. To a Dukes fan I'm sure this would mean a lot since the opportunity isn't likely to come up very often. There's a lot of history behind the car as well and it seems like no one here really bothered to research a thing before dissing it (or someone's livelihood). Not to mention, the car looks pretty incredible for what its been through. This is not some junker that was painted orange by some hillbillies in order to make a quick buck.

If the opportunity was there to make a nice profit on a car with some history in order to make life better then who here wouldn't sell it? And if you were going to sell it wouldn't you promote it to get the best profit possible?

Troy

[The Ghoul]

Do you guys have nothing else to do other than worry about what someone else does with his car?

yeah, thats pritty much it.
It just dont make sence to me but what ever floats there boat, and what ever they can do to make money off of it. Just think its very silly.

[Recharger]

I might be a bit missguided on this one but let me try to get this streight.
they took a genral lee
re painted it and threw on a top to make it look stock?
had the boys drive it on one of there failing sit-coms
and are now selling it as the last genral driven by the duke boys?
when tom wopat owns one and drives it on a regular basis?.....
Um...
if i payed that much for a charger I would be mad that the intirror doors look like crap.
unless it came with jessica simpson.. it wich case it would be worth it to be able to smack her around on a regular basis.
"WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN ACT, OR SING, OR BE ANY THING OTHER THAN SOFT CORE EYECANDY?!" *smack*

No, no, no, you have it all wrong.   Smallville is a drama.     

For what it's worth, Stuntman works in the movie/tv industry so that's one way to get a car featured (or at least seen) in a show. Believe it or not, some people will pay a lot of money for cars that were TV props. Before Smallville it also one of the promotional cars for the movie and starred in a magazine and a music video. The car was painted blue in order to get it on the Smallville set so that it could be driven by the original Duke boys. To a Dukes fan I'm sure this would mean a lot since the opportunity isn't likely to come up very often. There's a lot of history behind the car as well and it seems like no one here really bothered to research a thing before dissing it (or someone's livelihood). Not to mention, the car looks pretty incredible for what its been through. This is not some junker that was painted orange by some hillbillies in order to make a quick buck.

If the opportunity was there to make a nice profit on a car with some history in order to make life better then who here wouldn't sell it? And if you were going to sell it wouldn't you promote it to get the best profit possible?

Troy

    I don't see how this guy is having any worse an impact on the hobby than anyone else.     Seems to me there's a bit of jealousy floating around among those who don't have a more "special" car to cash in on...   You can't tell me you wouldn't use any possible angle available to you to maximize your return if you were selling your car.   You'd be dumb not to.   It's marketing 101.

Just because you don't see value in what he's promoting, doesn't mean no one else will either, and it doesn't mean he's taking advantage of GL fans.   You may see value in a 1 of 1 oddly optioned survivor car while I see a car that just isn't what I want.   To each his own.

[blade trinity]

The Blade TV pilot has rented my Blade Trinity Charger for 5 shooting days now and they have been picked up for another 13 episodes.  I think I'll keep (renting out) MY car!!

[ChargerBill]

All I'm saying is this: I'll BELIEVE that it was the last General Lee driven by Bo and Luke when I see a PHOTO of it AS A GENERAL LEE in motion with one of them behind the wheel and the other riding shotgun. Otherwise, it's a blue Charger driven by Bo and Luke Duke...

He can make ANY claim he wants, but it doesn't make that claim any less of a stretch of the truth. It's his car to sell...I hope he sells it, but I don't see him getting even close to 401K money for it.

I'm done here...

[Andrew]

In some pics its a '68, In others its a '69.

Now it has no side marker lights.


What kind of fuckup would do such a thing?

[Troy]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought... 

Again, the entire story of this car exists on the internet. There's such a thing as Google.

Troy

[HAZZARDJOHN]

In some pics its a '68, In others its a '69.

Now it has no side marker lights.


What kind of fuckup would do such a thing?

First off, most of that was movie magic. After the WB took over making generals, They filled in all the marker lights. A lot of replicas are done this way. Stuntman's was done this way from the start. There first unit car was a blue '68 R/T. He let them use his car for all the stuntwork and hard driving including the jump. The converted his car to a '68. The sidemarkers you see during the Smallville conversion are just metal washers glued on the side of his car. Look at the '68 tailights when it was converted. Notice how they are sitting in there odd. That's because the made them fit into a '69 tailight panel. Now I am amazed at how upset some of you people get. This is supposed to be fun. If this hobby upsets you guys so much maybe it's time to sell your cars and take up playing checkers. C'mon guys, If you think he's trying to rip someone off he's not. If you thinks he's asking too much for his car, don't buy it. If you don't like that it was painted like a GL. Tough. Don't look at it.   If you don't like the Dukes of Hazzard, deal with it. There are a lot of us here who think it was a wonderful piece of are childhood. Now can we let this go. and get back to being cival here. Remember life is too short, don't sweat the small stuff.

Thanks and have a great day!
HJ

[Chris G.]

Here's what he had to say about it on CGLFC and that's more than enough of an explanation:
"I'm selling it because I don't have a 401k. I have a GL, and I need to cash in."
Troy

He says this in the auction... "The General is being sold at this time to fund the next step in my music career, and it is truly sad for me to lose such a historic piece of television nostalgia. My loss - Your gain."  


Also (for anyone), Does Warner Bros. own Smallville or is it just on their network? I have seen shows jump networks before, and was wondering if the networks actually own these shows.

[Troy]

It's been on eBay a few times. I may have quoted that from when he was selling it after the most recent Dukes movie.  It's not like I sit around doing research all day for people who are too lazy to look anything up. Oh wait... I guess that is what I do.

Troy

[Chris G.]

It's been on eBay a few times. I may have quoted that from when he was selling it after the most recent Dukes movie.   It's not like I sit around doing research all day for people who are too lazy to look anything up. Oh wait... I guess that is what I do.

Troy

  and I didn't need Google.  I guess you could buy his CD in order to help him with his 401K? 

[ChargerBill]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

[The Ghoul]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought...  

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

[HAZZARDJOHN]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

This is HIS ebay ad:

"Vehicle Description
   This is it - the last ever Dodge Charger driven by the original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat on Network Television on the hit Warner Bros show, 'Smallville'. Included with the car will be full paper documention, 100's of behind the scene photos with the cast, the Duke boys, and the stunts, as well as behind the scenes video footage of the 2 mini jumps performed (including bloopers of the vinyl top coming off in one scene)."

"This is also the last ever General Lee contracted by Warner Bros to be built. Period. After the Original Series, and after the made for TV Movies, and after the Dukes Theatrical Release. The last one. Warner bros built the car back to General Lee status after Smallville filming was completed. Currently, it looks like this:"

I just went back and reread his description. First off, He never said they drove a GL in the show, just that John and Tom both drove that car on T.V.! The stretch is that they will never be together again driving a Charger on T.V. That is probably true, but I don't like to think so. Second problem you guys are haveing with this car is the last WB built General Lee. Well let's disect that. They (WB)   rebuilt the car from the ground up AFTER the show. They repainted it, and they gave valid documentation. That makes this car currently the last WB built general lee. Whether you consider it a replica or not, is not the point. Once again his truth stretching is the way it is written like there will never be another WB General Lee. Once again he might very well be right, but the "EVER" part is a strong statement. And once again, This is his car, his hard work, and I think putting him down like he worked for HLPAG is unwarranted.   Would you guys be this upset if his add said nothing about the car's history? Once again I go back to, if it is nothing to you than don't buy it. If you don't like the GL paint Job don't buy it. I think it is a perfectly legitimate add. I wouldn't pay that much for the car. but that that doesn't mean it isn't worth it to somebody. And even if it isn't, what does it matter? This is suppose to be fun isn't it? Just my 2Cents again

Have a great day!
John

[ChargerBill]

I'm NOT trying to be hostile...and yes, I know the car has a pedigree. All I'm saying is that he's STRETCHING the truth a bit and I personally find it annoying. Anytime someone finds it so easy to contort the truth to their advantage, in my book it makes me wonder what OTHER truths have been so easily stretched as well.

Look, if back in 1958 some lady handed Elvis a bolt of fabric for him to look at and feel, and she even draped the end of it over his shoulder and then later after he left the store she decided to make a pant suit out of it, could she accurately and truthfully state that "Elvis wore this suit"?... I see this GL situation as no different.

This is HIS ebay ad:

"Vehicle Description
   This is it - the last ever Dodge Charger driven by the original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat on Network Television on the hit Warner Bros show, 'Smallville'. Included with the car will be full paper documention, 100's of behind the scene photos with the cast, the Duke boys, and the stunts, as well as behind the scenes video footage of the 2 mini jumps performed (including bloopers of the vinyl top coming off in one scene)."

"This is also the last ever General Lee contracted by Warner Bros to be built. Period. After the Original Series, and after the made for TV Movies, and after the Dukes Theatrical Release. The last one. Warner bros built the car back to General Lee status after Smallville filming was completed. Currently, it looks like this:"

I just went back and reread his description. First off, He never said they drove a GL in the show, just that John and Tom both drove that car on T.V.! The stretch is that they will never be together again driving a Charger on T.V. That is probably true, but I don't like to think so. Second problem you guys are haveing with this car is the last WB built General Lee. Well let's disect that. They (WB)   rebuilt the car from the ground up AFTER the show. They repainted it, and they gave valid documentation. That makes this car currently the last WB built general lee. Whether you consider it a replica or not, is not the point. Once again his truth stretching is the way it is written like there will never be another WB General Lee. Once again he might very well be right, but the "EVER" part is a strong statement. And once again, This is his car, his hard work, and I think putting him down like he worked for HLPAG is unwarranted.   Would you guys be this upset if his add said nothing about the car's history? Once again I go back to, if it is nothing to you than don't buy it. If you don't like the GL paint Job don't buy it. I think it is a perfectly legitimate add. I wouldn't pay that much for the car. but that that doesn't mean it isn't worth it to somebody. And even if it isn't, what does it matter? This is suppose to be fun isn't it? Just my 2Cents again

Have a great day!
John

John, sorry to have to inform you of this, but you are a little misinformed. He has CHANGED the ebay ad since the last 2 times I read it...it DID originally say "the last ever General Lee driven by original Duke Boys John Schneider and Tom Wopat". Hmmm, I wonder why he changed it? Have any idea? I do.... Seems like we hit a nerve, and once he was called on it he changed his tune. Honestly, if the ad had been written this way to begin with and the car wasn't presented as "the last General Lee driven by original Duke boys yadda, yadda" this discussion probably would have NEVER taken place.

As far as it being the LAST GL EVER built by WB...well, let the buyer beware, because that statement IS true as of TODAY. However, tomorrow they make make a press release to the contrary...who knows.

[Troy]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought... 

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone else's car when you've never had to build one yourself. People put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people to spend 10 seconds to read because they need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

[The Ghoul]

Hey Andrew, where's your car at? Yeah, that's what I thought...  

and his lack of car makes his oppinion any less vallad why?

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone else's car when you've never had to build one yourself. People put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people to spend 10 seconds to read because they need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Instead of some one that tends to make brad generalizations, based on a few cases that they have seen. Seems much better to me.
You don’t know where they are coming from, could be a situation like me, where they grew up in the garage next to there dad working on these cars. They could know there stuff but be written off because they are so young and care free. You are not going to live forever, who would you rather have buy your car when you are gone, some one that attempts to learn more about the thing they love or the one that buys a car on a whim just because classic cars are fashionable? Yes some of the younger guys/gals might not have the proper respect but they have the drive you learn more about the cars they love.
Yes he needs the money so he is selling the car. But making the statement that it’s the last general lee to be driven by the fellas is just perception. What we are really debating here is at what point do you consider a car a general lee?
Dose it cease to be a GL when it is repainted?
I feel this is the debate at hand not, "your young and live with your folks and have no responsibility so you can’t possibly know what your talking about. That’s the problem with your whole generation trying to be an active member of a group without knowing any thing"
I felt that it was a bit of a stretch to bill it as such when what you are buying is not visibly a general lee, could have been at one time, but is not at the time of purchase.
I don’t feel that it is the last general lee driven buy the boys because it wasn’t a general lee when they drove it.

[Ghoste]

Ina any case, the ad is changed now and it seems pretty clear that he means they drove it on an episode of Smallville.  As to the question of whether or not it's a GL, it almost seems like splitting hairs at this point.

[Troy]

Ummm... cudaeh
1. I know who Andrew is and I actually do read almost all the posts (here and on C-C.com where he usually is) so I'm not making assumptions about an entire generation. I was commenting specifically on what he said and on the rash of similar posts by similar members on this site. Don't read more into it that what I said.
2. What I commented on (that you responded to) had nothing to do with it being a General Lee.
3. My comments were directly related to the attitude and language in the post that I responded to. I have nothing against a generation but I do have a lot of ideas about how people should treat/respect others.
4. Your other comments really had nothing to do with what I said so I'll keep it short and sweet.

Troy

[HAZZARDJOHN]

I take back some of the stuff I said then. I still don't understand why so many people are upset by this. That is the only ad I have read of his. If he changed, I guess my bad for not reading it right away. Now I hope we can all start being a little cival around here. This is suppose to be a fun hobby the last time I check.

Have a great day!
John

[The Ghoul]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

[Troy]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

No wonder this is so difficult. Ever heard of "context"? Try reading the entire paragraph as one. I'll highlight the relevant points for you:

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone (a person other than the one writing) else's car when you've (anyone in particular) never had to build one yourself (again, anyone in particular). People (anyone who has built/restored a car) put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone (Andrew specifically since this is a reference to his post) living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people (Andrew again) to spend 10 seconds to read because they (Andrew again) need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner (Stuntman) certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster (Andrew again) can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

So there. Only the very last sentence has anything resembling a "brad generalization" (sp) about the younger generation and it is entirely true on this board (reference mustanghater, ChargerPUNK and his brother, et al). You don't fit into that group but if you feel it was aimed in your direction then possibly things are clearer now. You even quoted the part about calling names even though it is a reference specifically to Andrew's post. I thought I was fairly specific but next time I'll type slower so everyone can keep up.

Troy

[Troy]

On a side note, the auction ended and Stuntman isn't around. Hard to believe he wouldn't want to post here isn't it?

Troy

[ChargerBill]

Well, I have been enlightened as to how this whole thing went down...and I can tell you all, I haven't been wrong about it one bit. It seemed a little off, and apparently it didn't go exactly as ORCHESTRATED (yes, orchestrated) and now we have the aftermath...an overhyped Charger that still hasn't met reserve and Stuntman not coming around. JimShine brought up a good point, one that I had considered as well. What if John and Tom decide to go out for lunch in John's CHARGER next week? Wouldn't THAT Charger then be the last Charger John and Tom drove? And what if in 2025 they do a Dukes Reunion and John and Tom end up on film driving a GL Charger THEN...wouldn't THAT be the last Charger The Duke Boys drive? Anything can happen, right? My point is that this whole thing could have been handled VERY differently...without all the boasting and forced hype. Instead there are many GL fans over at the GLFC website and here who feel like this was overplayed and unwarranted....but don't take my word for it, ask around.

Look, I could have just kept my trap shut and sat back and watched it all play out, but I have a hard time doing that in situations as contrived and bastardized as this. Despite what some of you may think, I DO NOT like when these kind of things happen...it only divides us. BUT IMO the hobby ceases to be fun when you have to sidestep suspicious smelling piles of dung (BS claims) about overhyped/overpriced car parts and cars presented by people trying to gouge some unsuspecting buyer (because some unsuspecting schmoe COULD have believed the original claim made on ebay). This was definitely an instance where the fun was SUCKED right out of this hobby by someone making erroneous claims and expecting us all to lap it up like starving dogs. I will always exercise my right and ability to keep quiet when the issues are inconsequential and/or irrelevant, but IMO this was not the time to SOMH and keep quiet.

[Troy]

Ok I can see that buuuuuuuuuuut, the car is well documented and it doesn't take a whole lot of investigation to learn the entire history. He even posted links in the ad just in case and changed the ad to be more clear. That's a whole lot more than I can say for many sellers there. If you buy a car on eBay for $30-50k (or even $30-50) just by reading the ad and never inspect or research the car then you're an idiot. I can't think of a nicer way to say that. If, after researching, you are not satisfied with the description then either don't buy the car or choose a bid that reflects what you honestly think the car is worth. Compare this to a car that appears from nowhere, the seller has private feedback, and you can neither see pictures nor know the VIN until the sale is complete.

The thing about this car is that it's probably not worth a whole lot as a normal 69 Charger even with the work that's been done to it. However, the very points that were being hyped were the ones that would boost the price beyond the going rate because it fuels the desire for something unique. Trust me, most Dukes fans - especially anyone that would be tempted to go for this car - already knew more about the car than the speculators here or the average Joe on eBay who saw it as a novelty but had no plans on buying. Seriously, if it were a car that someone wanted they'd overlook the flaws and the wording of the ad if the price fit their budget. HLPAG sells cars on eBay using multi-colored type in all caps so apparently overhyping a product works in that environment. If I was desperate for money I'm sure I could write creative ads to boost sales. Things are a whole lot different when it's someone else's car.

Troy

[blade trinity]

I did the Pilot Episode for Smallvile. I think I'll take my Blade car over and get a picture of John sitting in it. I'll post it here if I get a chance to go over! Blade Vs Duke. Now that would be an interesting?? movie.

[HAZZARDJOHN]

once again, I don't think I am getting through. He said it was the last Charger driven by John and Tom on Network T.V. That is a fact right now. YOu guys are calling him names and a liar. I think that is way off base. You are right exactly what I said earlier. They very well could do another reunion movie in 2025. I doubt it, but I already covered that. If John and Tom Drive to get a burger in John's Charger, and gets the WB to film it and run it. Then that would be the last Charger driven by TOm and John on t.v. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand? Now I am growing tired of this so this will be my last post on this subject, but I just want to Reiterate if this hobby upsets you so much sell your cars and take up checkers. You are going to give yourself a heartattack if something this small can get you all worked up!

Have a great day!
John

[ChargerBill]

So, where do we draw the line?

I guess we should be lenient on ebayers who don't send product? Or maybe Hlpag? Should we never complain about a part that doesn't fit? Maybe swapping VINs or the rebadging of a car should be allowed? What if a guy claims it's 100% factory original...and then you find out it's been painted a different color than it originally was on the assembly line? What if it's referred to as a survivor and the TRUTH is that it was severely damaged in an accident 15 years ago, was repaired using factory parts and only "looks" original today? What if a part is called NOS but a friend of yours KNOWS it's a used part and doesn't tell you? What if the car had previous flood damage and when you were looking to buy the car you were told it was "flawless"? Is a LITTLE lie acceptable, but a BIG lie unacceptable? Who will decide how we apply this double standard? You? Me? Galen? Hlpag? What you're saying makes no sense...a lie is a lie...and truth is truth. If something isn't up to snuff, 100% truthful or accurate, or just plain false should SOMEONE say something? This viewpoint sounds hypocritical IMO.

As far as saying I don't enjoy the hobby...who are you to interpret what I think or believe or feel? I DO enjoy the hobby, I've been involved for 25 years, and want to see it stay somewhat pure and ethical (as ethical as possible) and THAT is why I bothered with this topic. So, the exact opposite is true...it is BECAUSE I care about and enjoy the hobby that I said anything about this. And apparently wasn't wrong in doing so...the seller CHANGED his ad because of the backlash...didn't he? THAT in itself says that this discussion did some good FOR THE HOBBY. I suggest you stop the self righteous act and reread the thread and open your eyes... Maybe Richard is a friend of yours, but that doesn't mean that what he did STILL wasn't a little deceiving and contrived.

[Recharger]

Won't Somebody PLEASE think of the Children!

                       

[The Ghoul]

The owner certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

Gee, how could I have gotten confused sorry then.

No wonder this is so difficult. Ever heard of "context"? Try reading the entire paragraph as one. I'll highlight the relevant points for you:

I never said his opinion wasn't valid - I was just making a point. It's easy to rip on someone (a person other than the one writing) else's car when you've (anyone in particular) never had to build one yourself (again, anyone in particular). People (anyone who has built/restored a car) put too much money, blood, sweat, and tears into their cars only to be critiqued by someone (Andrew specifically since this is a reference to his post) living at home with their parents with zero responsibilities. The marker light issue has an explanation and so does the blue paint but it's obviously too difficult for some people (Andrew again) to spend 10 seconds to read because they (Andrew again) need to pad their post count and try to sound intelligent. The owner (Stuntman) certianly doesn't need to be called any names simply because the poster (Andrew again) can't bother to be informed. Unfortunately, this appears to be a problem with a specific age group in particular and, you guessed it, most don't have cars or even driver's licenses.

Troy

So there. Only the very last sentence has anything resembling a "brad generalization" (sp) about the younger generation and it is entirely true on this board (reference mustanghater, ChargerPUNK and his brother, et al). You don't fit into that group but if you feel it was aimed in your direction then possibly things are clearer now. You even quoted the part about calling names even though it is a reference specifically to Andrew's post. I thought I was fairly specific but next time I'll type slower so everyone can keep up.

Troy

and the last portion is what i was questioning.
I understood clearly
I said what I wanted
Now my young person ADD is kicking in so i dont care any more.
So if it makes you feel any better and will help us get past this, Ill just tell you what you wanted to hear "I didnt understand what you were saying because i didnt read all of the post you win"