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[Johnny SixPack]

He was a narcissistic, ego-maniacal monster (I don't care what Oliver Stone thinks) who managed to whip an entire country into a destructive/nationalist/genocidal fervor, and he did it with propaganda.

What does Oliver Stone think?

"Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He's the product of a series of actions. It's cause and effect ... People in America don't know the connection between WWI and WWII ... I've been able to walk in Stalin's shoes and Hitler's shoes to understand their point of view. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions..."

http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-history-america.html

[Arthu®]

He was a narcissistic, ego-maniacal monster (I don't care what Oliver Stone thinks) who managed to whip an entire country into a destructive/nationalist/genocidal fervor, and he did it with propaganda.

What does Oliver Stone think?

"Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He's the product of a series of actions. It's cause and effect ... People in America don't know the connection between WWI and WWII ... I've been able to walk in Stalin's shoes and Hitler's shoes to understand their point of view. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions..."

http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-history-america.html

I don't know how on earth this ended up being about Hitler, but I don't think that that Oliver Stone is trying to say he was not a narcissistic, ego-maniacal monster that knew how to use propaganda in the right way. He is merely pointing out that society created a spot for Hitler to stand up and take power and if it wouldn't have been Hitler it could have easily been some other guy. There are a lot of evil and sick people in this world, put them in an angry society and they will flourish.

And thanks for the heads up Bull I guess I'll just watch it for the special effects if I'm not impressed with the movie I can always focus on the date .

Arthur

[Mike DC]

  
I think maybe Oliver Stone was just pointing out that we tend to oversimplify the situation.  


Hitler was indeed evil.  But evil people are neither preventable, nor are they even very uncommon.  What made Hitler's evil so far-reaching was the circumstances.  He was given circumstances that allowed him to become popular and take power. 

The supply of evil people is unlimited.  The circumstances are all that we have control over.  So we must not forget how those circumstances were created in the 1930s.  

     

[JoeyGowdy]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

[SeattleCharger]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

is that free to download those?  can you burn them on dvrw?  virus free?  that is pretty cool, thanks, Nate

[Arthu®]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

is that free to download those?  can you burn them on dvrw?  virus free?  that is pretty cool, thanks, Nate

Hey Nate,

First of all you are not paying for something that is obviously a commercial product that is still only to be seen in the cinema's and is not to be distributed within the US in this manner. Besides the fact that I do not trust these sites I think that Troy is not going to be very happy that there are direct links to content that is illegal in any country that has some sort of property law. I would suggest seeing it in the theaters and otherwise wait until it comes out on DVD. Now for released DVDs there are some other methods of obtaining those that are not less illegal but at least sort of safer.

Arthur

[defiance]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

wait......  Aliens II remake?  Did we watch the same movie?

[Magnumcharger]

I saw the model in digital 3D and LOVED IT!!
I'm going to it again this weekend to see it in IMAX 3D, so I guess that proves it.

I find it amazing that the MUCH BETTER people on this website are generally for the movie, whereas the arseholes over at Moparts are generally against it.

Makes me think I'm hangin' with a nicer crowd here!

[bull]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

Here's a crazy notion. Read this entire thread where it says time and again that the story is the weak point and the special effects are the strong point. Then sit down and think about how watching a pirated version of it on a 17-inch screen might not lend itself to much of an eye-popping experience no matter what you're watching. And I know for sure that ALL the crap that got cut, hit the floor and got stepped on and thrown away by Cameron is probably 1000% better than anything you could ever dream up during a full blown acid trip, let alone manage to get on film.

[defiance]

lol - that was a bit harsh  

[SeattleCharger]

well ya, no kidding,  3 D Imax is the whole point.   I was curious about a movie downloading site in general.  download movies for free and burn em into cd's to watch in my home dvd/tv setup.  but thanks for explaing that to me, 

[Ponch ®]

Watched it before it was released... wasn't too impressed.

It felt like another Aliens II remake... rated it 3/5 stars.

http://movie25.com/avatar-2009_6605.html

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/avatar

Here's a crazy notion. Read this entire thread where it says time and again that the story is the weak point and the special effects are the strong point. Then sit down and think about how watching a pirated version of it on a 17-inch screen might not lend itself to much of an eye-popping experience no matter what you're watching. And I know for sure that ALL the crap that got cut, hit the floor and got stepped on and thrown away by Cameron is probably 1000% better than anything you could ever dream up during a full blown acid trip, let alone manage to get on film.

WIN!

[Old Moparz]

lol - that was a bit harsh  

No it wasn't.

[Magnumcharger]

http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-avatar-trilogy.html

A couple more Avatar films to be made....!

[JoeyGowdy]

I like the "unobtanium" name.

It's a name that has been used before...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

Also referenced to in "The Core" movie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Core
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_super_metals#Unobtanium

[Brock Samson]

 Finally saw it after four attempts to view the 3-d IMAX show here... it was allways sold out, but by going way early to a Thurs. 2:00 pm show a friend and I just managed to get in, still it was packed but we managed to get into the third row way down front, normally I would sit way up top, but these seats were surprisingly good - the screen filling my field of vision.
I thought the wholesale deaths were more than a little over the top and ruined the story line (for me) but I guess it's business as usuall for Hollywood. I thought they could have done a much better storyline without all the Disney love story/militaristic cowboys and Indians B.S. But I guess they wanted to appeal to everyone possible.
On the other hand I felt the production values and well thought out production design was taken to a whole nudda level.
I wonder if anyone else who viewed Avatar was reminded as I was of the '70s YES album covers, or anyone even remembers the band YES, Steve Howe and the artist Rodger Dean who was responsible for their album art?.. does anyone here even remember what an "album" was or when their double album was a very novel thing?..
If you don't - the Band YES was the Lady Gaga of the Mid '70s. and I'm not talking about their mid '80s techo transmogrification either..   





I was amazed that the very morning I saw the film I was reading about the different Ornithocheirus species and so I noticed and recognised immediately the depiction of Anhanguera from my Paleontology studies.









Anyhow if you have the chance see it in the 3-d IMAX format, and watch for the scean when they feature the cockpit of the large gunship, complete right down to the scratches and fingerprints on the plexi.     the HUD icons seem to float directly in front of you and you'll want to reach out and fire off a few... at least I did.

[b5blue]

  I kept thinking of "Heavy Metal" magazine covers come to life! I agree with your take on the plot.

[Brock Samson]

 I hadn't done any web searching RE: Avatar prior to just now but The Rodger Dean comparisons are all over the web...
                   http://blog.signalnoise.com/2010/01/06/avatar-vs-roger-dean/
too bad the storyline/plot wasn't up to the level of sophistication of the rest of the film, I did think they did a good job of fleashing out most of the character development - especially of the Navi - given the stretch to emoting with blue 8 foot tall, blue Indian/African composites. The Sarg. Rock Character was off the scale and seemed to be from another movie entirely.
I especially appreciated the reference to low gravity, without that the entire premise (of the physics involved) would've been utterly ridiculous. 

[b5blue]

The ponytail sticking to the dragon thing for a mind link was creepy and far fetched  But it was all fun, so you recommend Imax then 

[Mike DC]

I wonder if anyone else who viewed Avatar was reminded as I was of the '70s YES album covers, or anyone even remembers the band YES, Steve Howe and the artist Rodger Dean who was responsible for their album art?.. does anyone here even remember what an "album" was or when their double album was a very novel thing?..

Cameron has said he was kicking around ideas & sketching on Avatar as far back as the 1970s.  I wouldn't be shocked if some of the old album art from classic rock was influential on the Avatar visuals.  


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I thought the wholesale deaths were more than a little over the top and ruined the story line (for me) but I guess it's business as usuall for Hollywood. I thought they could have done a much better storyline without all the Disney love story/militaristic cowboys and Indians B.S. But I guess they wanted to appeal to everyone possible

As for the story, I'll bet he genuninely wanted to do this story just the way it was.  It certainly had commercial appeal this way.  But Cameron would have gone right ahead and made it anyway even if his story didn't.  

This is the guy that made "Titanic."  Nobody who is worried about being commercially marketable would have risked a quarter-billion dollars on that project a decade ago.  It was only a massive hit in retrospect.  Everyone else in the industry had expected it to be a collosal career-ending bomb while Cameron was making it.      


Even Avatar's commercial viability had been in pretty serious in question because of its major production costs.   But it already has proved to be huge at the box office just like Titanic.  

[Ponch ®]

for those of you that have seen it both in IMAX and digital 3D...is IMAX really that much better?

[Brock Samson]

 Yes! these movies are made for the Imax 3-D experience..
 Marketers know that to compete with the new large screen high def. home systems they are gonna need to stay ahead of what is avail on home systems.
In fact 3-d home systems are in the works but still a few years out from regular Joe Availability.
I remember upon seeing my first High-Def. bigscreen about 2001 - I was hooked but that particular model then cost $15,000! i bought my "46 Samsung for $800 at a black Friday sale Thanksgiving before last. It was $1,600 when i first spied it three years back.

Anyhow - the movie I'm most anxious to see is the Steven Spielberg remake Of Ghost in the Shell. from the Japanese Manga comic which is my Fav. It will be a 3-D IMAX production and is in Pre Production now.
I've followed the various media incarnations since it's/their  beginning (there are three distinct parallel story lines)
and the plots are truly innovative in a way Hollywood can't seem to comprehend)
   Ghost in the Shell - This manga classic has seen three animated films based on the book to date. But in the upcoming iteration, no less than Steven Spielberg will be lending his talent to bring a live action, 3-D version to the big screen. While plot details of the Spielberg version are sketchy, we're looking forward to 2011 when the classic cyborg-police thriller hits the big screen.

Read More http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/07/10-comic-book-movies-were-looking-forward-to-and-5-that-we-might-catch-on-dvd/#ixzz0dTpwmMP5

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVmcBZzpbY

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVmcBZzpbY&fmt=22    hi def.

more info on Manga being made into 3-D films by hollywood studios...
http://www.star-ecentral.com/news/story.asp?file=/2009/1/4/movies/2931245&sec=movies

[SeattleCharger]

havent' gotten into those japanese anime movies, but I have to say I did enjoy highlander 4, was japanese anime, but was in line with the first three regular highlander movies, saw it on the sci fi channel. 

[squeakfinder]

 
And to think I watched Star Wars at a drive in, which was pretty impressive at the time. We've come a long way.
I just watched Avatar today in 3D digital. The theatre was was pretty full, so we sat in the second row. Gave me a bit of headache but it was worth it. As soon as the 8 foot blue female showed up to save his butt the story got predictable, but what the heck.

   

[Mike DC]

George Lucas has been messing with the idea of 3D-ing his original 1977 Star Wars flick.