Dodge seeking your input...

[skip68]

 
 
I was just searching the web for other new Charger sites and found the same word for word post from this guy.   So, I guess I was right.       Just for fun, I started reading what the new Charger owners think and say.   These guys want the Charger to be cheaper more like a Camaro or Mustang.       These guys complain about wanting to be better, faster and lighter than the Camaro and Mustangs.     I damn near joined the site so I could explain to these guys that the new Chargers are not in the same class as the Camaro's and Mustangs.     You guys bought a fast family car and not a true sports/muscle car.       And from what I gathered from several of them was that most of the New Charger owners don't care about the car.  To them it's just another car for the soccer moms or the family.     I think that website was "Charger forums".   Anyway, it just shows how the new guys think.   Some of them had some good ideas and do love the cars but, the majority of the new Dodge owners look at the cars for what they are, nothing special and just another car.   And even they are not happy with Dodge....    But it is like I said, this is for the new customers only....

[Ghoste]

So instead of telling this guy what we really want, we should all be lobbying hard for those Pentastar shaped hot dogs that I mentioned earlier because we stand a much better chance of getting free hot dogs than ever getting real improvement from Obamafiatcerberusdaimlerchrysler Motors or whatever they are called now.

[skip68]

   YES Ghoste, you are correct.   But I hear the hotdogs are real good and made with mostly beef from cows that are here from the United States...   The meat will be shipped over to India to be processed and packed and then shipped back.   

[Cooter]

Scott From Chrysler....

Spammer....

[charger Downunder]

Scott,
  Give him a break, good on him maybe he has been inspired by the movie The Office. Scott maybe Chrysler's  CEO in a few years. He has just saved Chrysler a packet of money they would of had to spend a small fortune with a marketing firm to find out this grass roots info. If Scott has the desire to go for a job with Chrysler with this new Knowledge and information on what needs to be done to improve the cars and restore the Chrysler name.
Scott you are laughing as we have just handed it all to ya good a on ya.
Maybe we can get a sneak  peek on the new models ?
Go for it Scotti lets see what you can do.

[Ghoste]

Except that Scott is the outside marketing firm that Chrysler is spending the money on.  

http://www.eventsolutions.net/whats_new.html

He won't see the new models until they decide to show them to him.

[Back N Black]

Are the new Charger's selling? i sure do see lots of them around. The young guys and gals in their 20's and 30's don't know what a first, second or third gen charger look like, nor do they care. Maybe the guys like us who want to see a better version of the Charger are just a small audience.

[Johnny SixPack]

The young guys and gals in their 20's and 30's don't know what a first, second or third gen charger look like, nor do they care.

Ain't that the truth. 

If I had a dollar for every 4-door Charger owner/driver I've seen (who has seen me) that doesn't realize that what I'm driving is linked (at least in name) to the car they're driving, I'd be a rich man.

Can't say the same for the new Challenger folks (yet), but something tells me, it's close.

[charge-it]

Bring Plymouth back and build us a bare bones 2 door HEMI car. no a/c, no ps, no pb, no pw, no pl, no stereo, no
heated seats-mirrors, no extras period! You could sell 100K of those at 15k out the door. Now your going to hear all the whiners saying they want this or just that for options. I say make them bare bones and put a stop to the dealers gouging us on prices. I would buy a new Challenger right now but they're just loaded with too much electrical junk. How about a no option, notta, zero extras,  bare bones 6.1 Hemi, 6 speed manual, sure grip rear, Challenger. That could be priced at 20k out the door. Oh course none of this will happen because Chrysler hasn't listened to us for over 30 years so I don't believe for one minute that they're going to listen to us now. Sorry Chrysler, but you guys missed the boat again. Big engines are going the way of the horse and buggy and this time it's for good. Your just too late to make any difference now. If you didn't notice the world is now heading in the green direction and gas guzzling cars are an in your face visual that will be frowned upon in the same fashion as cigarette smokers, and smoke belching power plants, etc. Good luck but the real musclecar era ended in 1971.

[Cooter]

The Real problem is if all the folks that hated the new Charger and the New Challenger's price would STOP buying them simply because of their "Chrysler" , or Mopar Dedication and start buying Mustang's and Camaro's then, Chrysler would be hit where it hurts....I like to think of myself as a "Mopar" man, but I'd buy a new Mustang GT before I paid for three of 'em in what the Challenger costs....I thought only the '70-'74 cars were bringin' huge money because of their heritage....Looks like I was wrong as some "Mopar" dumasses HAD to have the first ones out and bent right over and even lubed up at the dealers, who charged them out the azz for it and they paid it.....

[elacruze]

If Scott has the desire to go for a job with Chrysler with this new Knowledge and information on what needs to be done to improve the cars and restore the Chrysler name.

That's a question we should all ask ourselves, 'Do we want Chrysler back?'

No matter my opinion of Scott, his company, his access to Chrysler brass, his tactics-I have to acknowledge the fact that he's doing more for Chrysler than I am. Don't pinch him for having a job and taking it seriously.

It's not what we want, but it's something.

Eric

[charge-it]

F ix
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A gain
T ony
Face it GM and Chrysler are history its just a short matter of time because they didn't get it then and they surely don't get it now. No more Dodge trucks, now they're called Ram trucks, come on get real for crying out loud. The ONLY reason I bought my 2004.5 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 SRW was because of the 5.9 Cummins diesel. If that engine would have been in any other domestic truck I would have bought that brand just to get that engine. Now you screwed that up by discontinuing the 5.9 and now use the JUNK 6.7 Cummins. I have no reason to ever buy a new Chrysler product ever again. I was very reluctant to even buy my 2004.5 but it had the Cummins so I took the plunge. Chrysler treated me like crap when I had the famous lie and deny paint peeling problem with the 1990 Dodge 1/2 ton 4x4 I bought new. I was ready to abandon that truck at my local dealers lot and I never recieved one cent or satisfaction to resolve the problem. Don't blame the smart consumer for Chryslers failure, they did it to themselves and I don't feel bad for one second. I resent the fact that we handed over our tax dollars to the company and then they file a "quicky bankruptcy" and don't have to pay any of that money back. They knew they were going to do this all along, took our money, lined their pockets, then resigned, retired, and sold the company. They should all be in jail with Madoff as far as I'm concerned. You asked us for our 2 cents, well I've given you 10 cents worth and it's time to get back to work.
P.S. Enjoy your cushy corporate job pimping Chryslers junk and driving a free car that you don't have to spend your hard earned money on fixing blown transmissions, repainting vehicles that the paint falls off in sheets, or paying the dealer to change out parts until they get lucky and actually fix a problem you have.  They screwed the taxpayers, they screwed the consumers, they screwed the dealers, and they screwed the suppliers, now screw them.

[BROCK]

The new Challenger is too big & too heavy - but it sells!  Why not make the new Charger too small & too
light   I'm not talking about an Omni variant here.  I'm speaking in terms of how Chrysler has
made so much of it's product too big & too heavy.  Oh, & quit copying general mobama.  It's embarrassing
how the engineering company (Chrysler) has nothing new at all in terms of inventiveness.

[jeryst]

It's embarrassing
how the engineering company (Chrysler) has nothing new at all in terms of inventiveness.

I have to disagree with this statement. Like I said before, Chrysler gave us the Viper, Prowler, Crossfire, PT Cruiser. Those vehicles were very inventive, and you didnt see any of the other car makers coming out with vehicles like that, so I have to give them credit for trying. They just screwed up big time on the Charger. The Challenger was a good try, and caused a lot of excitement. Unfortunately, its priced out of reach of most people. But then again, so are the Viper and Prowler. They're specialty machines that can only be enjoyed by the few who have the resources to buy one.

Another thing I dont understand is why affordable cars are designed like turds, but the high priced cars all have style. Style doesnt cost anything. It comes from the mind. So why doesnt Chrysler start putting some real style and imagination into their every day cars? As youngsters, we looked at the cars of the late 60's-early 70's, and they made our hearts race. We longed for them, and they made a lasting impression on us. That's why we are buying them today at prices dozens of times what they cost brand new. In todays designs, there is no longing, no dreaming, no imagination. Only utility, with a shot or two of luxury thrown in. They need to bring the longing back. They need to make people say to themselves "I've got to have one of those". They've got to make our hearts race again. If they did that, they would blow away the competition.

[Ghoste]

Because there is no profit in turds.  The expensive cars have the higher profit margin so they get the lions share of development budget.

[jb666]

Well.. Being an old AND a new Charger owner, I can say that I WILL NEVER , EVER, EVER buy another "new" Charger. The car rode like a dream, but the fun stopped there. It was by far the biggest dog I've ever owned.. And I did quite a few mods to it before I decided to dump it..

I'm not quite sure what I was thinking when I got it... I think it was the fact that it was sitting under the lights in the center of my Dodge dealer's floor, with the Brilliant Black Metallic paint sparkling.. I had to have it.. But it NEVER "did it" for me... So in a record 10 weeks time I bought, modded and sold it... And I haven't looked back once...

Next time, I'll just buy the BMW I want if I want a comfortable 4-door car.. Not this poser..

On a side note, I remember how pissed I used to get when I'd come here to see everyone trashing the "Charger".. Now I'm on board...

Signed,
No-More-Buyer's-Remorse

[OneofNoneRT]

Fascinating!  I cannot speak for yours but we have had ours for 2 years and the only thing we have had to do beside Maint. is put a rear turn signal bulb in.. $5.00 +/+.. I have run it autocross, drags, High speed tour of Road Atlanta.. A couple weeks ago I showed a Vette up on the highway over 135 MPH He couldnt pass me and backed down... Tweeked the exhausts is all we have done.. have not messed with the computer yet.. That might of been part of your problems Also I think you said it was not a R/T it only had the R/t dress package.. There IS a difference..  I guess we were lucky and got a pretty good one?

[jb666]

Mine was an RT with the additional R&T package. Upgraded seats and exhaust.

[Ghoste]

And there is one of the absolutely stupidest things that Dodge does in their efforts to whore out their past.  Let's paste the "Charger" name on our new Intrepid replacement and then we'll offer an "RT" (road and track?) model.  On top of that we should charge for an "R&T" (road and track?)  package and slip in an extra cost stripe package that we'll label "Daytona".
The jokes have been made now a dozen times but how often are they going to do this before they see the ludicrous way it looks to pile every name from the past into a single car?
HemiChargerRTDaytonawithR&TinSuperBeebluewithCudawheels andRoadRunnerinterior300stereowithGTXheatingandcoolingandMaxWedgewindowtint.

[bull]

So who's going to forward this thread to Chrysler Corporate so all this effort can at least be available to someone who can make a decision? I know it would fall on deaf ears but at least we wouldn't be just preaching to the choir.

[Cooter]

Bottom line is we are trying to get a BUSINESS to see things the way we want them to be....It is NOT profitable to get Chrysler to make anything like the older style of Musclecars...They don't care about that, all they care about is profit and money trumps ANY personal feeling's every time...

As long as there's people out there that will "Try out" the new Challnger/Charger to see if the hype is worth it, the cars will SELL...If nobody bought the damn things then Chrysler would have to find another way to find sales...As it stands, they only care about what the "Newer" generation thinks about the new cars...[We] represent the "Small segment" of the buying public..I mean, you guys said it yourselves that all you ever see driving the new Chargers are people that HAVE NO IDEA what heritage they are driving...All they know is it was sold to them by that same old attage that has sold a many a car to people from the beginning of time....."But, it's so cute", or "I liked the color, plus I can sorta play old times when I'm driving my new Charger like I was when I was a teenager in 1969.. I don't really care about how well it pays tribute to the older car as I'm too old and fat to get into a '69 Charger now anyway..  I can't take the family to the park in a 1969 Charger for fear of tearing something up"

And this is who's cruising round and buying the new Challengers/Chargers....Don't hate the playa'[Chrysler], hate the game....Otherwise, there wouldn't be all that "Newest thing out" CRAP like nav. systems, DVD palyers, power this, power that, heated seats, etc....
It would be a plain 'ol simple no power anything, badass, Primal scream musclecar....We have too many people that think it's "Cool" , or even MANDATORY to install A/C on that Original Hemi car from 1970 cause they can't "Handle" cruising and sweating anymore "Like they used to"...Chrysler knows this and they aim for these people today.....I for one, will prolly NEVER see anything like the boomers with reguards to retirement and a 401K, so Chrysler isn't concerned with me as I have no "Buying power"....

[OneofNoneRT]

Mine was an RT with the additional R&T package. Upgraded seats and exhaust.

Man you post Alot! 143 Pages!

Jeff Unless I am badly mistaken This Has the R/T package
The Other does not..

"Imitation is the highest form of flattery"  EVEN A POOR IMMATATION..  I do not understand why all see the new as some sort of sacrilidge to the old.. I do not view it that way.  If they built the car like we on the site would like they would have probably sold a car to every one of us.. all 1500 ? More than likely it would have competed with the Viper/Vette ?? And might have pushed the price where alot of us couldnt afforded it. Hind sight has always been 20/20 all we can hope is that someone looks at it and sees and trys to do better. I do not see FIAT being any Savior. But maybe they can keep some kind of performance division alive until what may lie in the future..

Supersoul, How about a little (ALOT) more grass roots sponsorships for the weekend warriors, Sponsor some Best of show awards, How about a Mopar of the Year picked 50/50 by the people and mopar celebs..

[Tilar]

Are the new Charger's selling? i sure do see lots of them around.

Go to craigslist and do a search for Dodge Charger and see how many 2006 to 2008 are for sale.

[b5blue]

The issue on this forum being what it is, is if you decide to form steel and plastic into a shape and name it something the shape and name should match. The Challenger does. The Charger in every other form was always a "Flagship 2 door" even in it's small Omni platform it was a sporty 2 door. Don't get me wrong I like the new Charger but on first sight thought "Magnum" as in late 70's shape in grill (and even it had 2 doors). Would you buy a 4 door Challenger?

[200MPH]

Cooter: well put and i totally agree, but i also think they do have an obligation as a business to make cars in that are appealing to young and old,instead of just plain ugly.  I personally do not think the Charger is an Ugly car. I just wish they would have given it another name.