I'm sure this will get locked but here goes...

[Steve P.]

The rich and famous get striped naked, tarred and feathered, drilled in the pooper by a pissed off bull named HURRICANE and then all their worldly goods and monies are immediately given to the person or persons they harmed..

Then to make sure all the other RICHIE RICH make sure they keep their noses clean we send them all a copy of HURRICANE having a little fun with the last sniveling little thief!!

Enron will look like this!!

[bull]

The rich and famous get striped naked, tarred and feathered, drilled in the pooper by a pissed off bull named HURRICANE...

Careful how you use the word "bull" there buddy.

[Steve P.]

The rich and famous get striped naked, tarred and feathered, drilled in the pooper by a pissed off bull named HURRICANE...

Careful how you use the word "bull" there buddy. >:(

I did go on to say, ( NAMED HURRICANE)!!!!   Hehehehe.........   


I think that tent prison is the best thing going.. Someone please explaine to me, (IN REAL LIFE TERMS), (NO WHINING),,, WHY CRIMINALS HAVE MORE THAN I DO??????????????????????

[bull]

The rich and famous get striped naked, tarred and feathered, drilled in the pooper by a pissed off bull named HURRICANE...

Careful how you use the word "bull" there buddy.

I did go on to say, ( NAMED HURRICANE)!!!!     Hehehehe.........     


I think that tent prison is the best thing going.. Someone please explaine to me, (IN REAL LIFE TERMS), (NO WHINING),,, WHY CRIMINALS HAVE MORE THAN I DO?

Because the world is usually backwards from the way it should be. Nice guys finish last, only the good dye young, etc. We work our tails off to pay the way for lazy people to sit on their butts and collect welfare as they watch Oprah on 52" plasma TVs. Kids get raped and murdered and their killers spend 15 years sitting in air conditioned comfort watching Oprah on 52" plasma TVs. I've got my own beliefs why things are the way they are but I'm not going to preach it. I've talked to you about it before, Steve, so you probably have some idea.

[69_500]

I will say this. I have no problem with capital punishment. I think that if a person is found guilty and sentenced to life in prison that they should just be put to death. Especially if that person commited murder or something along those lines. I don't think they should get 10-15 years to plead their case. The people they murdered didn't get 10-15 years to plead for their lives so they shoudln't either.
The crimes that really get my skin crawling is when a person rapes or molests a child. I think that anyone who would take advantage of a child like that, needs to be PUT TO DEATH. They deserve it. To take a childs innocence like that and tourture them for the rest of their lives, they deserve to die. Not to be put on a list, and posted on the internet, but put to death.
One person mentioned they have a problem with capital punishment because of their religion? I can't think of a single religion that doesn't go for capital punishment by their history. Christianity, Jews, Hindu's, Buddist, Muslim. All have capital punishment in their history. In the Old Testement a man was to be stoned to death if he commited adultery. Not killing someone but just adultery. I agree capital punishment is a great thing. It does cut down on crime rates. I think that 1,000 in the past 28 years is really way too few. There have been plenty of other murders and such who have been able to just sit in jail for their last 35-50 years and live in realative peace. None of their victims have that luxury.

[CaptMarvel]

A big part of me wants to see them pay the ultimate price for taking a life. Then I start thinking that God will give them what they deserve and what does it matter what I think? This issue is a really hard one for me. I have always voted for more strict incarceration and always voted in favor of capital punishment, but i have always felt a little uneasy about the decision. For me it's hard to reconcile between an eye for an eye and thou shalt not kill.

All that said, I believe that if anyone deserves the death penalty, this man definitely does.

I dont believe that capital punishment & scriptural teachings & Gods will are necessarily at odds here. Keep in mind that when we execute someone, it is not the end of their existence, only their Earthly stay. It is still Gods final say. The really funny part is, when capital punishment laws are alot tougher, mysteriously not as many of these heinous crimes are committed (there will always be SOME) so this leads me to believe that these people really CAN control their actions, urges, whatever. The liberals have for years told us they cant & we should feel sorry for them. Sorry, I'm not buying into that load of crap. People have their God given free agency, & except for the truely mentaly challenged, need to be held to the fire for their choices. We are now, thanks to these liberally slanted judges, teetering on the brink of lawlessness and all that it brings. No wonder the 2nd ammendment was written into the constitution, its not only to defend against corrupt govt, but the nutjobs out there as well.

[RD]

One person mentioned they have a problem with capital punishment because of their religion? I can't think of a single religion that doesn't go for capital punishment by their history. Christianity, Jews, Hindu's, Buddist, Muslim. All have capital punishment in their history. In the Old Testament a man was to be stoned to death if he commited adultery. Not killing someone but just adultery.

That was me  .  OT is not NT.  Not to get into a religious debate, but my Lord Jesus Christ says to love thy neighbor.  Killing a man/woman is not loving thy neighbor.  I agree with you in your recollection of killings in the OT.  The Bible is full of death, to include Jesus' crucifixion at the cross.  Capital punishment was used on him for the crime of heresy.  If Jesus condemns capital punishment even though He, Himself, was crucified, then why should I? Just something to ponder on.

[Afturhrz]

If he/she is guilty of taking ones life, with no doubt, hang em. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth.

[69_se_ron]

IMO, anyone who murders another should be put to death immediately.

Not immediately, but immediately after all their salvageable organs are harvested.

[bull]

One person mentioned they have a problem with capital punishment because of their religion? I can't think of a single religion that doesn't go for capital punishment by their history. Christianity, Jews, Hindu's, Buddist, Muslim. All have capital punishment in their history. In the Old Testament a man was to be stoned to death if he commited adultery. Not killing someone but just adultery.

That was me   .   OT is not NT.   Not to get into a religious debate, but my Lord Jesus Christ says to love thy neighbor.   Killing a man/woman is not loving thy neighbor.   I agree with you in your recollection of killings in the OT.   The Bible is full of death, to include Jesus' crucifixion at the cross.   Capital punishment was used on him for the crime of heresy.   If Jesus condemns capital punishment even though He, Himself, was crucified, then why should I? Just something to ponder on.

I'm not saying you're in this camp or not, RD, but there are many people that believe love is something that always fosters positive feelings when I believe real love fosters positive outcomes despite the feelings. By this I mean the act of tough love can remove someone from a dangerous situation such as drug abuse, debt, destructive relationships, etc. By this I mean for example forcing a loved one to deal with an addiction to drugs typically does not foster positive feelings. The addict becomes agitated, angry and sometimes violent during intervention but the outcome is positive if they and society become better for it. More often than not, in the case of sexually-charged murders, there is no hope of rehabilitation for the offender and they need to be held accountable for their actions for the good of society. The recidivism rate for sexual offenders and serial killers is horrible.

Also, there is a big difference between killing and murder. Capital punishment is not murder and there is a "time to kill."

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I don't have a problem with the death penalty when it's properly applied.  That being said, I'm glad cooler heads prevail in our current system.

When the US justice system was set up, it operated on the principle that it's better to let 100 criminals go free than to take the life of one innocent man.  Criminals, even if they are guilty, deserve the right to appeal to the highest court.  Access to the justice system is not something that can be selectively applied, no matter what you did.

[71bee]

When the US justice system was set up, it operated on the principle that it's better to let 100 criminals go free than to take the life of one innocent man.   Criminals, even if they are guilty, deserve the right to appeal to the highest court.   Access to the justice system is not something that can be selectively applied, no matter what you did.

That was a long time ago. times have changed and so should the rules.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I disagree entirely.  Nothing's changed - not the principles, not the crimes.  Were people not capable of murder in the 18th century?  Rape?  Of course they were, and they probably did more of it because law enforcement has come a long, long way since then.  Likewise, are we supposed to not care about innocent people just because of the march of time?  I don't think an innocent man convicted of murder would care what century he's in, just so long as he's not subjected to the tortures described in this thread.  Nope, nothing's changed at all.

[RD]

One person mentioned they have a problem with capital punishment because of their religion? I can't think of a single religion that doesn't go for capital punishment by their history. Christianity, Jews, Hindu's, Buddist, Muslim. All have capital punishment in their history. In the Old Testament a man was to be stoned to death if he commited adultery. Not killing someone but just adultery.

That was me   .   OT is not NT.   Not to get into a religious debate, but my Lord Jesus Christ says to love thy neighbor.   Killing a man/woman is not loving thy neighbor.   I agree with you in your recollection of killings in the OT.   The Bible is full of death, to include Jesus' crucifixion at the cross.   Capital punishment was used on him for the crime of heresy.   If Jesus condemns capital punishment even though He, Himself, was crucified, then why should I? Just something to ponder on.

I'm not saying you're in this camp or not, RD, but there are many people that believe love is something that always fosters positive feelings when I believe real love fosters positive outcomes despite the feelings. By this I mean the act of tough love can remove someone from a dangerous situation such as drug abuse, debt, destructive relationships, etc. By this I mean for example forcing a loved one to deal with an addiction to drugs typically does not foster positive feelings. The addict becomes agitated, angry and sometimes violent during intervention but the outcome is positive if they and society become better for it. More often than not, in the case of sexually-charged murders, there is no hope of rehabilitation for the offender and they need to be held accountable for their actions for the good of society. The recidivism rate for sexual offenders and serial killers is horrible.

Also, there is a big difference between killing and murder. Capital punishment is not murder and there is a "time to kill."

I understand your stance completely bull, and honestly part of me is enticed by that mindset, but I know capital punishment is just something that my religion does not believe in.  I am not saying that your beliefs are faulty, they are your beliefs, mine are just different.  Oh, and some would say Jesus was murdered.  I would.  In a weird way this ties into Vainglory's post.

Likewise, are we supposed to not care about innocent people just because of the march of time?

[Steve P.]

Ok, non of you live here in sunny Florida where we have had way toooooo many of these incredible acts happen in a very short period of time as of late. This hits very close to home with me.. One was found guilty just the other day. He admitted to his mother and brother that he raped and killed a 13 year old girl and told his brother where they could find her body.. THIS SON OF A BITCH SHOULD BE HUNG IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN AT HIGH FUCKING NOON IN FRONT OF GOD AND EVERYBODY.....

IT SHOULD BE TELEVISED ACROSS THIS ENTIRE NATION ON EVERY CHANEL .. (EVERY CHANNEL) CABLE, LOCAL, EVEN RADIO FOR THOSE IN THEIR CARS OR ON A BUS.....

Another one about a year ago confessed to doing it. They dug her body up and did an autopsy. They found out that the rotten, sick, mother f&$@*^$ buried the little girl alive after doing things MANSON wouldn't do to her little body....  Do you hear banjo's??  Now he wants out due to being a little crazy.. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     DEAD....................  LET THAT F&%#@* OUT!!!!! 

Sometimes you have to put the Bible AWAY.........  Also please keep in mind, most of these (less than dirt), things that (I) am talking about did NOT have GOD or GOD'S WILL in mind when they were taking a life or putting someone else through unimaginable pain..

[Blown70]

Ok, non of you live here in sunny Florida where we have had way toooooo many of these incredible acts happen in a very short period of time as of late. This hits very close to home with me.. One was found guilty just the other day. He admitted to his mother and brother that he raped and killed a 13 year old girl and told his brother where they could find her body.. THIS SON OF A BITCH SHOULD BE HUNG IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN AT HIGH FUCKING NOON IN FRONT OF GOD AND EVERYBODY.....

IT SHOULD BE TELEVISED ACROSS THIS ENTIRE NATION ON EVERY CHANEL .. (EVERY CHANNEL) CABLE, LOCAL, EVEN RADIO FOR THOSE IN THEIR CARS OR ON A BUS.....

Another one about a year ago confessed to doing it. They dug her body up and did an autopsy. They found out that the rotten, sick, mother f&$@*^$ buried the little girl alive after doing things MANSON wouldn't do to her little body....   Do you hear banjo's??   Now he wants out due to being a little crazy.. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        DEAD....................   LET THAT F&%#@* OUT!!!!!  

Sometimes you have to put the Bible AWAY.........   Also please keep in mind, most of these (less than dirt), things that (I) am talking about did NOT have GOD or GOD'S WILL in mind when they were taking a life or putting someone else through unimaginable pain..

I AGREE

[Big Lebowski]

   Gov. Lapetamain & Hedley Lamar... "Borris...I have a special for you, Tookie Williams, he brutally killed 4 people execution style, when could fit him in?"....Borris "I'm booked solid, I couldn't possibly fit him in 'till tuesday"...Hedley THAT'S HEDLEY."Ok, tuesday it is"  

[Steve P.]

The answer is quite simple. Let them out a back door against a wall. Give many people the same cal. gun with the same amount of amo. once the bastard is dead and everyone is out of amo, everyone switch and make sure everyone's fingerprints are one every gun. They can't put everyone ine jail for it..   OK.. Maybe they can, but a jury would be hung and the money spent for that jury would be much better spent than the one for the bleeding pile of shiP that did the lousy deed in the first place..

In a nut shell, I think we need to send a MONSTER messege.

[nh_mopar_fan]

One at a time:

1. Innocent people found on death row.

Great. System works. Those people aren't dead are they?

2. Death penalty is not a deterent.

Maybe not but look what it does for the rate of recidivism.

3. It won't bring back the dead.

Really? It won't? I missed the part where someone said it would.

4. Too expensive?

Oh, so it comes down to a money issue? Well let's streamline the process then. Oh, and no more cable TV while you'r ein the can waiting, ok? Hey, we have to cut back on costs, sorry.

The scumbag that took that 11 year old girl at the car wash, raped and slaughtered her because he had done some coke and had an urge that he needed to act was caught on tape and confessed. There is no doubt. He did it. The arguments about innocent people on death row etc have nothing to do with this piece of human shit. He deserves to die. He's earned it.

They had the leader of the last prayer vigil where Mr. 1000 was put down on the radio the other day. After he repeatedly referred to the perp as Mr. whatever while referring to the 2 dead as his "victims", the host asked him why he wasn't referring to his victims by name as well? Do they not deserve that or did he not know their names? After repeatedly being asked if he could name the victims, he names the woman as Mrs. whatever. Since she was the perps ex-wife, that was a no-brainer. However, he had "forgotten" the name of the other victim, the woman's father. That's certainly a really good indictator of where the priorities and sympathies lie.

Fire up old sparky.

[Steve P.]

Here in Florida old SPARKY is just too good for them...  We have very hungry GATORS that would be just the ticket.. But first we could set them up for a date with a very horny rhinoceros

[69_500]

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible, NT or OT where anyone opposes Capital Punishment. The only time there is something remotely to that affect is Jesus stopping a stoning. He then told the lady to go on and sin no more. Now was he opposed to her being stoned, no but meerely making a point to people who were going to do the stoning. They wanted to stone her for adultery. While he knows the sins of all the people who were in that mob, probably knew that some of them were adulterous people too.

[RD]

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible, NT or OT where anyone opposes Capital Punishment. The only time there is something remotely to that affect is Jesus stopping a stoning. He then told the lady to go on and sin no more. Now was he opposed to her being stoned, no but meerely making a point to people who were going to do the stoning. They wanted to stone her for adultery. While he knows the sins of all the people who were in that mob, probably knew that some of them were adulterous people too.

Jesus laid down two commandments that supercede all earlier commandments.  They are to love thy Lord God with all your heart and means and to love thy neighbor.  You cannot possibly love thy neighbor by condoning capital punishment.

[hemihead]

What about "an eye for an eye" ? Or don't we acknowledge that part when it doesn't fit our view?

[Blown70]

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible, NT or OT where anyone opposes Capital Punishment. The only time there is something remotely to that affect is Jesus stopping a stoning. He then told the lady to go on and sin no more. Now was he opposed to her being stoned, no but meerely making a point to people who were going to do the stoning. They wanted to stone her for adultery. While he knows the sins of all the people who were in that mob, probably knew that some of them were adulterous people too.

Jesus laid down two commandments that supercede all earlier commandments.   They are to love thy Lord God with all your heart and means and to love thy neighbor.   You cannot possibly love thy neighbor by condoning capital punishment.

Lets see how you love your neighbor when he pulls a gun out a shoots you or your family.  Sorry bud.  Just not going to agree here.

[RD]

What about "an eye for an eye" ? Or don't we acknowledge that part when it doesn't fit our view?

Matthew 5:38

An Eye for an Eye
     38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Matthew 19:19

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[a] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"



OT is different from NT