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Started by bull, December 02, 2005, 03:10:40 PM

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bull

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-01-1000th-execution_x.htm?csp=24

I just think it's pathetic that only 1,000 people have been brought to justice by way of capital punishment in this country during the last 28 years. I'd like to see that number compared to the number of cold-blooded murders in the same time period and weigh the difference. I bet it's huge.There are so many bottom-feeding scumbuckets in prison right now that deserve to be executed it's not even funny. Our "justice" system shows them all this leniency and compassion but where's the compassion for the victims and their families? That number should be 10 times higher at least IMO. Sorry for the rant, I just think things are way out of whack in this country when it comes to crime and punishment.

RD

Boyd's attorney Thomas Maher, said the "execution of Kenneth Boyd has not made this a better or safer world. If this 1,000th execution is a milestone, it's a milestone we should all be ashamed of.

I respect bull's opinion, but I do believe that two wrongs do not make a right.  But I will admit that a lot of my opinions facing this subject matter are religious based.
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Charger_Fan

Quote from: bull on December 02, 2005, 03:10:40 PM
Sorry for the rant, I just think things are way out of whack in this country when it comes to chrime and punishment.
I'm totally with ya, brother!

I think our justice system IS way too lenient especially in regards to murderer & sex crimes. I think the punishment sould be so horrific that it anyone contemplating these acts would be scared shitless of the results.  

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golden73

Quote from: bull on December 02, 2005, 03:10:40 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-01-1000th-execution_x.htm?csp=24

I just think it's pathetic that only 1,000 people have been brought to justice by way of capital punishment in this country during the last 28 years. I'd like to see that number compared to the number of cold-blooded murders in the same time period and weigh the difference. I bet it's huge.There are so many bottom-feeding scumbuckets in prison right now that deserve to be executed it's not even funny. Our "justice" system shows them all this leniency and compassion but where's the compassion for the victims and their families? That number should be 10 times higher at least IMO. Sorry for the rant, I just think things are way out of whack in this country when it comes to crime and punishment.

:iagree:

We would save a lot more of our tax dollars if we executed more instead of keeping them alive in jail for the rest of their natural life.

BigBlackDodge

A double murderer who said he didn't want to be known as a number became the 1,000th person executed in the United States since capital punishment resumed 28 years ago

Well, he should have thought about that before he MURDERED those people. ::)

No pity for that guy here!

BBD

Shakey

I am a firm believer in an eye for an eye, only if there is no doubt whatsoever, and I mean no doubt whatsoever as to who is quilty.  Furthermore, I believe that the convicted murderer should be put to death the same way he killed his / her victim.  If someone was stabbed to death, guess what....

Charger_Fan

Quote from: Shakey on December 02, 2005, 03:29:17 PM
I am a firm believer in an eye for an eye, only if there is no doubt whatsoever, and I mean no doubt whatsoever as to who is quilty.   Furthermore, I believe that the convicted murderer should be put to death the same way he killed his / her victim.   If someone was stabbed to death, guess what....
WOO-HOO!!! Me too!! :boogie:


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ChargerBill

A big part of me wants to see them pay the ultimate price for taking a life. Then I start thinking that God will give them what they deserve and what does it matter what I think? This issue is a really hard one for me. I have always voted for more strict incarceration and always voted in favor of capital punishment, but i have always felt a little uneasy about the decision. For me it's hard to reconcile between an eye for an eye and thou shalt not kill.

All that said, I believe that if anyone deserves the death penalty, this man definitely does.
Life is a highway...

skip68

I look at the death penalty as part punishment for the crime(well justified) and to protect the future victims. :police: :2thumbs:
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chargermick

I agree with the death penalty, but if we really want it to be a deterrant to murder the executions should be televised. Let people see what it's like to die in the electric chair, and maybe it will actually deter someone from committing murder. I also don't believe in death by lethal injection, we should go back to the electric chair. I don't believe that Boyd, or John Wayne Gacy, or any of the others get what they truly deserve when they die by injection. John Wayne Gacy did not deserve to peacefully lie down and go to sleep. They really should feel the same kind of fear that their victims experienced, then we can say that they got what they deserved.

Old Moparz

It sure seems that the punishment never fits the crime. Look at Pee Wee Herman who got caught wacking off & lost his career.

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Charger4404spd

IMO, anyone who murders another should be put to death immediately. No sitting on death row for 20 years wasting taxpayers money.
All child molesters should hang from a rope in town square.

Can you imagine how much the crime rate would decline if justice was harsh and swift?

TK73

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on December 02, 2005, 03:18:52 PM
I think our justice system IS way too lenient especially in regards to murderer & sex crimes.

I agree.


Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on December 02, 2005, 03:18:52 PMI think the punishment sould be so horrific that it anyone contemplating these acts would be scared shitless of the results. 

There is a reason Saudi Arabia has a LOW crime rate...
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John_Kunkel

I'm a big fan of capital punishment IF the condemned is actually guilty.

Considering the number of death row inmates who have been exonerated in recent years because of DNA, one has to wonder how many of those 1,000 were innocent.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

last426

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all macho men, heck you would do it yourselves if given have a chance and a bottle of brandy.  Nevermind that hundreds of condemned men have been released from prison recently cause dna proved they didn't do the crimes.  Oh, they would just be dismissed as mistakes.  Nevermind that the decision to kill a person, when made in the cold light of day, deeply affects the judges, juries and, selfishly, law clerks.  Nevermind that appeals of death cost more by far than just keeping the guy in jail without parole.  Nevermind that no one has ever been released when in jail without parole, at least in California.  Nervermind that stats do not support death as a deterent.  But I always come back to the judges and others who must take part in ending a person's life.  I have been involved with that and it is more than hard, in the cold light of day, to know that your decision may take away a life.  We should not ask people to have to do that.  Kim

twilt

Quote from: John_Kunkel on December 02, 2005, 06:23:53 PM
I'm a big fan of capital punishment IF the condemned is actually guilty.

Considering the number of death row inmates who have been exonerated in recent years because of DNA, one has to wonder how many of those 1,000 were innocent.
after watching some tv programs documenting the work of Barry Schecks innocence project, i can say that i agree with that 100%

Charger4404spd

Quote from: last426 on December 02, 2005, 06:32:52 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all macho men, heck you would do it yourselves if given have a chance and a bottle of brandy.  Nevermind that hundreds of condemned men have been released from prison recently cause dna proved they didn't do the crimes.  Oh, they would just be dismissed as mistakes.  Nevermind that the decision to kill a person, when made in the cold light of day, deeply affects the judges, juries and, selfishly, law clerks.  Nevermind that appeals of death cost more by far than just keeping the guy in jail without parole.  Nevermind that no one has ever been released when in jail without parole, at least in California.  Nervermind that stats do not support death as a deterent.  But I always come back to the judges and others who must take part in ending a person's life.  I have been involved with that and it is more than hard, in the cold light of day, to know that your decision may take away a life.  We should not ask people to have to do that.  Kim

You do have a point, but what should we do, continue with early releases because the prison systems are flowing over, and of the number of inmates that are released, I believe somewhere around 70%(if my short memory is working) of them re-offend!

So let me ask you this. Suppose a serial killer murdered your wife and kids? What would you want to happen to the perp? Give him life with the possibilty of parole?

TK73

Quote from: last426 on December 02, 2005, 06:32:52 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all macho men, heck you would do it yourselves if given have a chance and a bottle of brandy.

I have no desire to do that.  If one chooses the profession that deals with this matter, then that person should "deal with it".  If yuou don't want to smell chlorine all day, don't be a f---in' pool boy.


Now, concerning the DNA issue; that advance in science will allow the legal system to be more efficient in connecting the crime with the offender.

I believe I've heard this somewhere before; "If you're not willing to do the time, don't do the crime."
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Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,
      a liberal, oh fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
      acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!

TheGhost

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on December 02, 2005, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: bull on December 02, 2005, 03:10:40 PM
Sorry for the rant, I just think things are way out of whack in this country when it comes to chrime and punishment.
I'm totally with ya, brother!

I think our justice system IS way too lenient especially in regards to murderer & sex crimes. I think the punishment sould be so horrific that it anyone contemplating these acts would be scared shitless of the results. 


I can come up with a few nasty execution methods for murder...

As for sex crimes, it's easy.  Castration.  If THAT don't deter someone, then, they don't deserve to have it intact, anyway.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  Especially if they have access to the internet.

TheGhost

Quote from: last426 on December 02, 2005, 06:32:52 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all macho men, heck you would do it yourselves if given have a chance and a bottle of brandy.  Nevermind that hundreds of condemned men have been released from prison recently cause dna proved they didn't do the crimes.  Oh, they would just be dismissed as mistakes.  Nevermind that the decision to kill a person, when made in the cold light of day, deeply affects the judges, juries and, selfishly, law clerks.  Nevermind that appeals of death cost more by far than just keeping the guy in jail without parole.  Nevermind that no one has ever been released when in jail without parole, at least in California.  Nervermind that stats do not support death as a deterent.  But I always come back to the judges and others who must take part in ending a person's life.  I have been involved with that and it is more than hard, in the cold light of day, to know that your decision may take away a life.  We should not ask people to have to do that.  Kim


If I believed the person was guilty, and the offense was bad enough, I would lose no sleep over it.  Hell, I'd shoot him in the head myself, if that was legal.  I don't tolerate cold blooded murderers and rapists, and do not consider them to be true human beings.


Look at it this way.  To some people, jail could be a REWARD.  3 square meals a day.  Free housing.  Free health care.  They get free TV.  Playstations, Xboxes, Nintendos, sports.  Criminals get treated better than alot of law abiding citizens.  Tell me there ain't something wrong with that.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  Especially if they have access to the internet.

Old Moparz

How about a large warehouse with oversized kennel cages stacked to the ceiling. You know, the heavy wire mesh kind without floors & ceilings in them. The hardest of criminals who have committed the worst offenses get to stay locked in the bottom cages. No bathrooms, just go in the cage & let the crap go to the bottom row where it is already. No more cable TV & video games, just rewards of toilet paper & rain coats if they stay quiet long enough.
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TruckDriver

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on December 02, 2005, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: bull on December 02, 2005, 03:10:40 PM
Sorry for the rant, I just think things are way out of whack in this country when it comes to chrime and punishment.
I'm totally with ya, brother!

I think our justice system IS way too lenient especially in regards to murderer & sex crimes. I think the punishment sould be so horrific that it anyone contemplating these acts would be scared shitless of the results.  
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derailed

Quote from: TK73 on December 02, 2005, 07:12:23 PM



Now, concerning the DNA issue; that advance in science will allow the legal system to be more efficient in connecting the crime with the offender.



TK, I agree with you but unfortunatly I think our justice system still has a few corks in it  mainly money being the reason. There is no reason at all that OJ Simpson should not be in jail today for murdering 2 people and DNA proved it. the same average Joe like you or me would have gone away if we did this a long time ago

Silver R/T

killing them just makes easy way for them. If they spend rest of life in prison then they'll understand...
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bull

Quote from: RD on December 02, 2005, 03:16:11 PM
Boyd's attorney Thomas Maher, said the "execution of Kenneth Boyd has not made this a better or safer world. If this 1,000th execution is a milestone, it's a milestone we should all be ashamed of.

Quote from: last426 on December 02, 2005, 06:32:52 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all macho men, heck you would do it yourselves if given have a chance and a bottle of brandy. Nevermind that hundreds of condemned men have been released from prison recently cause dna proved they didn't do the crimes. Oh, they would just be dismissed as mistakes. Nevermind that the decision to kill a person, when made in the cold light of day, deeply affects the judges, juries and, selfishly, law clerks. Nevermind that appeals of death cost more by far than just keeping the guy in jail without parole. Nevermind that no one has ever been released when in jail without parole, at least in California. Nervermind that stats do not support death as a deterent. But I always come back to the judges and others who must take part in ending a person's life. I have been involved with that and it is more than hard, in the cold light of day, to know that your decision may take away a life. We should not ask people to have to do that. Kim

The defense attorneys have spoken. I rest my case.