possible 1 of 1 6-pack charger

[mustanghater]

My family has known a guy for years that had a 70 charger. he ordered it new with  the 440-6 with a three on the tree. All I know is that it is gold and might have a black or tan interior. it also has a bench seat and AM/FM radio. last time my dad saw the car it was torn apart and last time I saw it it was at the guys moms house in the garage. Dose anyone know if this could be a possible 1 of 1 car? and does anyone have info on this car?

[Shakey]

See if you can get some pics.   There is a lot of good information on '70's at the 1970 Charger Registry http://www.1970chargerregistry.com/.

Do some research there and let us know what you come up with.

I do find it strange that someone would order a 390 HP car with a 3spd on the column, but I am sure stranger things have happened.

[69_500]

A three on the tree 6 pac car? Definately would be an odd combination.

[mustanghater]

He ordered it new in 70 when he got married, the car is a legend around here. My dad has tried to buy it since he first saw it. The guy knows its rare and is a car guy but children came and the project came to a halt.

[mustanghater]

See if you can get some pics.   There is a lot of good information on '70's at the 1970 Charger Registry http://www.1970chargerregistry.com/.

Do some research there and let us know what you come up with.

I do find it strange that someone would order a 390 HP car with a 3spd on the column, but I am sure stranger things have happened.

it doesn't even list a 3-speed charger in the production figures.

[Shakey]

Maybe it is one of those OH urban legends!      

[twilt]

or just more bombastic drivel

[Chris G.]

Mr. Wonderful's version of "3 on the Tree" means he had a six pack car with an auto column. It's not common, but not very rare for the car either. I would love to get the numbers off this car, considering a certain someone knows so much about it.

I'll be waiting...

[mustanghater]

Its sits  a street over from my grandmas. I'll go look at it this weekend cause i'm going to look at a duster in the area.

[Chris G.]

Its sits   a street over from my grandmas. I'll go look at it this weekend cause i'm going to look at a duster in the area.

You have our email addy, so we look forward to your results. Do me a favor and prove me wrong. Take pics BTW  

[Troy]

Yeah, and if your dad buys it you can hang out on the 70 Registry site all the time...

Troy

[Old Moparz]

Yeah, and if your dad buys it you can hang out on the 70 Registry site all the time...

Troy

[hemi68charger]

A R/T with a Bench?......  ahhhh,,,,,,,,,, no.........  or, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong......... Also, my former six pack ChargerR/T was a column auto car....

Troy

[Shakey]

A R/T with a Bench?......   ahhhh,,,,,,,,,, no.........   or, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong......... Also, my former six pack ChargerR/T was a column auto car....

Troy

I was looking at an R/T with a bench about a year ago.  54,000 mi survivor in IA.  Just couldn't do it with the bench and the column shift.

[694spdRT]

I thought the bench seat was only available with the XH29 base Charger starting in 1970. The XH29 was designed to get the base price down by deleting things like the bucket seats, upper door pads, and rear tail panel trim. When you opted for the XP29 (Charger 500) or XS29 (R/T) I thought the buckets came with the package.    Also, got me thinking....was there a buddy seat available in 1970 with the high back buckets?  I have never heard of a Charger R/T with a bench seat either...not to say it is not possible though. 

[Blakcharger440]

Hmmmmm strange combo indeed. This will require X file type investigation. 

[2fast4u]

     Is it really so strange to have a bench seat in a '70 Charger R/T, I mean the '70 Superbee came that way and the 70 Road Runner as well....I've personally seen both kinds of cars that way....why not a Charger as well.  As a matter of fact,Jerry Jueneman who owned the Wheels and Spokes museum in Hays,KS had a 70 Charger R/T with a Hemi eng and a column A/T...as far as having a column shift A/T on an R/T model is concerned. As well as a Daytona or two and some Road Runners as well.

  But the 3spd column shift M/T......I really have a hard time accepting that one.  I would think that the 440 would be to much for the 'lil 3spd manual trany,let alone a sixpak 440!


2fast

[694spdRT]

Is it really so strange to have a bench seat in a '70 Charger R/T, I mean the '70 Superbee came that way and the 70 Road Runner as well....I've personally seen both kinds of cars that way....why not a Charger as well.
2fast

The Roadrunner and Super Bee were not upscale models. They were built for performance while the Charger R/T was luxury performance. IMO the Plymouth GTX and Dodge Coronet R/T are more in line with a Charger R/T and I have not seen either of them with bench seats either.

[chargervert]

Hey Chris,I owned a 70 Charger,that had a three on the tree,it was a 318 3 speed manual on the column. It was the most stripped down Charger I had ever seen! It had no options not even the upper pads on the door panels,no clock in the dash,just a design where the clock would have been.I know that the three speed manual was the base transmission for a 383 car,but it was not offered on an R/T.

[694spdRT]

Hey Chris,I owned a 70 Charger,that had a three on the tree,it was a 318 3 speed manual on the column. It was the most stripped down Charger I had ever seen! It had no options not even the upper pads on the door panels,no clock in the dash,just a design where the clock would have been.I know that the three speed manual was the base transmission for a 383 car,but it was not offered on an R/T.

What you owned is an example the XH29 base model. The only 2nd generation it was offered in was 1970. The XP29 Charger "500" model was more or less just a new name for the base model XP29 Charger from 1968 and 1969.

[dkn1997]

enough already.  I am mentally filing this with the other white elephants.

[Chris G.]

A R/T with a Bench?......   ahhhh,,,,,,,,,, no.........   or, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong......... Also, my former six pack ChargerR/T was a column auto car....

Troy

Troy, if you had an column shift, the you either had the buddy seat (C21) or just buckets and nothing in between. No XS Chargers came with a bench seat unless they were special ordered or installed at a later date.

Hey Chris,I owned a 70 Charger,that had a three on the tree,it was a 318 3 speed manual on the column. It was the most stripped down Charger I had ever seen! It had no options not even the upper pads on the door panels,no clock in the dash,just a design where the clock would have been.I know that the three speed manual was the base transmission for a 383 car,but it was not offered on an R/T.

Yes, you are correct. You could get a 3spd manual (D11) with the 318, but not with a 440 (R/T). You pretty much described how an XH Charger comes from the factory. Very stripped down, but you could get a 383 pistol grip in the car   .


Oh and Troy (Admin), I'm not laughing.

[Shakey]

I thought the bench seat was only available with the XH29 base Charger starting in 1970. The XH29 was designed to get the base price down by deleting things like the bucket seats, upper door pads, and rear tail panel trim. When you opted for the XP29 (Charger 500) or XS29 (R/T) I thought the buckets came with the package.     Also, got me thinking....was there a buddy seat available in 1970 with the high back buckets?   I have never heard of a Charger R/T with a bench seat either...not to say it is not possible though.  

I should have mentioned I was refering to a '69.

[Troy]

Troy

[BB1]

I need to see the B sheet first.

[hemi68charger]

A R/T with a Bench?......  ahhhh,,,,,,,,,, no.........  or, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong......... Also, my former six pack ChargerR/T was a column auto car....

Troy

Troy, if you had an column shift, the you either had the buddy seat (C21) or just buckets and nothing in between. No XS Chargers came with a bench seat unless they were special ordered or installed at a later date.

Chris, Yes, my previous Charger R/T v-code did come with the buddy seat...... Think I even still have it... It didn't go with the car when I traded it for my '68 Hemi........ I changed out the column for a console column and placed a burnt ornage console in it........  Those where my younger years and if I had it now, that car I would have keep that way...........

Troy

[69_500]

For you 70 guys, how many of the Chargers actually wound up with a bench seat? I can only think of 1 Charger that I've ever seen with a bench seat. I've seen plenty of them with the buddy seat option, but only 1 comes to mind with a bench seat.
On a side note, has anyone ever found the build sheet for the survivor 70 Charger with the bench seat that was at Englishtown? I was looking at the buildsheet he has with the car, but it goes to another car. I believe his car was black, and the buildsheet was for a White car.

[Chris G.]

On a side note, has anyone ever found the build sheet for the survivor 70 Charger with the bench seat that was at Englishtown? I was looking at the buildsheet he has with the car, but it goes to another car. I believe his car was black, and the buildsheet was for a White car.

Danny, IIRC, that car has the correct sheet as well as a wrong one that was found inside the car. I can't say for sure that he has the correct sheet though?   Also, every XH Charger built came with a bench seat. It was not available on the XP and XS model. You don't see them often, because alot of people swap them out.

Here is an XH Charger interior

[hemigeno]

Edit:

Chris beat me too it, as he should have!!!   


Well, I certainly don't qualify as an expert on the '70s, but I'll act like one for a minute with the help of Chris' Registry site...

All base Chargers (XH) were listed as getting the bench seat C2xx option, 9135 v8's, 181 /6's, for a total of 9316.

All 500's and R/T's were listed as getting the buckets.   According to that Production information, no XS bench seats were built.

I'll slink back to my pile of '69 information now...


Geno

[69_500]

Thanks for the update guys. Personally I tend to not look at too many of the 70's when I see them at shows. I know its not right, but I do make a bee line for most 69's at shows. Well especially the 500's when I"m lucky enough to see another one at a show. I just hadn't noticed very many 70's with a bench seat.

[dpm68]

Hey 2fast4u, My girlfriend and I went to Wheels and Spokes about 8 years ago and saw that Charger. Used to stay at the Midway Motel in Hays whan I was going back and forth fron Den to KC. What's going on in Hays (or nearabouts) this summer? - dm

[mustanghater]

The guy said he sold the car 5 yrs ago and he said the new owner has it in the registry when I asked him for picks. Either he doesn't want me to see the car or he realy did sell it. The color was changed to orange and the bench seat was removed and thats all he knew.

[253862656971]

uh huh. 

[2fast4u]

well DPM68.....Not too sure whats up in Hays,other than Octoberfest....needless to say what happens about that time of year  .    The Wheels and Spokes museum is no longer....a shopping center last I heard bought his land and he closed the Body shop down....I mean who needs to work when you filthy rich.....Right!?   

2fast

[Big Lebowski]

So score the car, tell us more.

[69_500]

So the last time you had seen the car it was torn apart and in his garage. He was the origional owner, and kids came, and the project had come to a halt.


I was hoping you weren't fishing another story, but it sure smells that way.

[253862656971]