69 Charger 500 as a rolling billboard in MCG Feb 2010

[nascarxx29]

In MCG Feb 2010 it shows a picture with that caption .I can only recall see Don Garlits 69 charger 500 in some of my old car magazines .Car was lettered Dons speed shop .Cant make out what this 69 500 has lettered on it.Also page shows a 69 Daytona B altered race car of Tom Tiagnellis

[nascarxx29]

[tan top]

got a advert of Big Daddy , with his C500  out side his speed shop advertising a camshaft  , might of been iskenderian  , in a magazine somewhere ! i'm sure i posted it on here sometime ago ? could of been on the old site though

[nascarxx29]

It was a cam ad with that Don Garlits 69 500 gotta find that ad and compare graphics to the MCG car

[nascarxx29]

Don Garlits still owns this car I believe its in the museum

[tan top]

 found the magazine  picture i posted !!


DoH , sure it was isky  !! Crower     , unless there is another ad !! ?? ,  

edit  dang too late

[nascarxx29]

It seems it may be the same car as in MCG .The blackout areas and graphics Performance World

[tan top]

could well be , don't see  a decal on the passanger fender  in the MCG picture ,  there is one on the driver side in the cam Ad , although that don't really mean anything  

thinking about i'm pritty sure the C500 in big daddy's museum  is Hemi powered  

[nascarxx29]

One of his 69 500s are hemi powered.He might still own the ad car 500?

[nascarxx29]

I thought this Don Garlits 69500 had a simiar paint scheme like the car in the ad.But not close
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1-OF-208-BUFFED-METAL-1969-DON-GARLITS-CHARGER-500_W0QQitemZ320460727184QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091210?IMSfp=TL091210216006r20

[tan top]

intresting ,  model is not red !!  looks red in the MCG picture ..got the decal on the fender like the cam ad car   , i'm thinking then that is the color combo if the Crower 500
pitty we did not have a bigger/another  picture of the one in MCG 

[69_500]

The car on display in his museum is most definitely a HEMI car and it is also a 4 speed car to boot.

[nascarxx29]

The red hemi 4 speed car came from my town.Garlits got it from Bill Weisman here in NJ.Garlits got off my other friend the Connie Kalita bounty hunter dragster he owned since 1962.Now in the Garlits collection.The guy Leo I know did the paint and body work on that 500.If I run into him he has pictures of its resto.Ive seen before

[500Jon]

Hi NascarXX29.

Tried to send you a private message but your inbox is full.
Do you have anymore info on the DG500 since you posted on this thread?
Was it a green 440 4-speed car with black interior prior to the black/red paint scheme?

Thanx from 500Jon

[500Jon]

Hi again Nascarxx29,

Did you manage to speak to your friend who painted the Don Garlits 500 yet?
The Ertl model seems to be painted a bronzey red metallic?
The pictures I have are more like the Mopar deep red non-metallic.

The red on my 500 is a deep red too.

How would I go about contacting the great man himself?
Some Folks are saying he still has the Crower-cam-500.

I'm still keen to find out either way.

Best wishes 500Jon.

[Ghoste]

I thought the 500 he has now was acquired from someone else?

[500Jon]

Hi AeroFolks,

Any more news on the Don Garlits 500?
Does anyone know where the car is?
Have I got it here???

Would love to repaint my 500 in those colours anyway!

The red is very dark like a Maroon.
Think I've seen a 69 Charger in that shade.

Thanx 500Jon

[nascarxx29]

Check the paint code on a 69 dodge chart

[500Jon]

Hi Aero's,

F8 green is a very hard colour to match with modern green metallics.
Looks like I will paint the 500 in black to see how she looks.
Then I can put the red/maroon back on afterwards.

500Jon

[500Jon]

Hi Nascarxx29,
Any more news on Don's Crower-cam Charger 500 please?

I think the Ertl model is wrong in many places with the paint scheme and red color shade too.
My 500 had a completely red rear panel with the window plug in black!
Anyone knows who commissioned the Ertl model?
You can see (just about) the differences.

I'm not sure whehter to go all red or all black first???
Probably all black first, (that's what wifey wants) then vinyl overlay the red!

many thanx 500Jon

[500Jon]

Anyone got anymore leads on Don's 500?

More red like this methinks?
This is closer to the red on my 500.

5J

[69_500]

What magazine did the old add first run in? Anyone know? Like was it early in 69/ late 68?

[nascarxx29]

It was camshaft magazine ad

[UFO]

What magazine did the old add first run in? Anyone know? Like was it early in 69/ late 68?

Just a quick look thru my list it was in Hot Rod july '69.
That is not necessarily it's first appearance.

-edit- Popular hot rodding aug'69. Beginning to look like it's a late '69 release.

[69_500]

So a July 69 magazine would be on new stands in what, March/April right? Which means photo would be shot about 4-6 weeks prior that that? Or was turn around time back then even longer between shots and publishing?

[500Jon]

Good points there guys!
Who would be mad enough to repaint a new car???
These days it would be a removable vinyl-wrap.
I suspect an 'ACCIDENT' of some sort?
My 500 has had a scrape down both sides early on in life.
Lot of panel work on the right fender into the door and left rear quarter.
Bondo was very old and very hard too!
Was gonna leave it alone but it was rusty underneath.
Modern paint-strippers didn't really touch it at all?
I took most of it off by hand.

All that lovely black/red paint was covered in TEAL BLUE!
Someone then got bored with that too and rattle canned it Primer RED!!!
My fingers are still hurting LoL
Unfortunately the 'ongoing work' pictures were lost on my  laptop!
5J

[69_500]

Jon, I have a few pictures of your car that you had sent to me back in 2007-2008 I think. It's not many but a few.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=90942.0

[UFO]

So a July 69 magazine would be on new stands in what, March/April right? Which means photo would be shot about 4-6 weeks prior that that? Or was turn around time back then even longer between shots and publishing?

I don't think the lead time back then is as far ahead like today.
The pics could easily been taken in the spring to give the ad guys time to get approval.

[500Jon]

I have a strange feeling that the Crower-Cam C500 Car means more to me than anyone else???
Even the DG Museum doesn't seem to care???
I suppose in the scheme of Don Garlits memorabilia, this is chicken feed!

Too cold to paint now, so in the spring I will be shooting BLACK all over the old Girl!!!

Then some nice red bits and maybe some advertising for my new business?
JON GARLICS, homemade Mopars LoL!!!
5J

[69_500]

The Crowler car means something to those of us who like the 500's. To a lot of other people, your right it is unimportant. Personally I think there are more significant 500's. That are also not "accounted" for either. Example the car Bud Lindeman beat the snot out of in the test drive video.

[wingcar]

Another picture of the "Daytona" funny car....

[500Jon]

Thanx 69_500.

I am firmly put into my place LoL!
The Don Garlits C500 is a nothing car of no importance to anyone, not even DON!
If that's the case then all 50 year old cars are irrelevant to the masses as well!
Its only the domain of the handful of diehards who want to keep the past alive?
Dodge are not at the races any more and Plymouth my greater love, is dead and buried.

My kids are only interested in online games and food!
The thought of going into the freezing cold garage to fix a rusty wreck is beyond them!!!

I applaud every ones effort to revive the once splendid Mopar achievements of the 60' and 70's.
But I feel there is an undercurrent of elitism with certain Wing-car Folks!!!

This is quite evident with the Ginger-haired stepson C500 comments on this magnificent site!!!
500Jon, still cares LOL!!!

[Ghoste]

I think 69500 is just pointing out that there are a small cadre of us who are real 500 devotees.  A lot of Daytona and Superbird fans see the 500 as an interesting stepping stone and that's it.  Look how many people think its a good idea to use 500's as great fodder for Daytona conversions.

[500Jon]

OH DEAR Mr.Ghoste.

I wonder how many rusty/wrecked Daytona's are in fact C500's???
Like the 70/71 hemi-Cuda converts, I bet nearly all the Daytona's will one day be found.
Unlike the 392 (or maybe more) 500's running around with Nosecones LoL!
Need I say more???
5J

[69_500]

Not too many 500's running around with wings or nose ones.  I knew of 5 that used to and now none of them have daytona parts on them.

[Ghoste]

I didn't mean were converted, I was referring to the comments that often come out when discussing 500's  Sorry I should have been a lot clearer on that.

[500Jon]

Hi Aero's,

Are we sure that none of the current so called 'legitimate' Daytona's were ever rebodied with a C500.
But I bet that may happen in the future as the Daytona 'gene-pool' becomes outta reach for most Folks?

What are the legalities of rebodied cars in the USA?
Are all the 'Scrapped' Daytona's on a database???
5J

I suppose its different for SuperBird owners, they don't have a ginger-haired stepson to rag on?
Just the knowledge that the car that was built for the 'KING', was too GAWDY to drive on the Street!!!
His very own words when he gave his Petty-Bird away, a gift from Chrysler?

[nascarxx29]

I recall atlaest 2 500s that became daytonas A Hemi blue one and Green 440 one

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=88337.0

http://www.daveschultz.com/palbum/showgallery.php?cat=760&page=1

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,58159.0.html

[69_500]

I recall atlaest 2 500s that became daytonas A Hemi blue one and Green 440 one

The Hemi blue 500 is back to being just a 500 now. As far as I know the F5 green 500 that had a nose and wing is also back to being just a 500 now.


There is too big of a gap in VIN's to ever try to legitimately try to pass one off as the other.

[500Jon]

EER, how can I put this?

Mine was faked up too...................
No not my C500 but a whole new Daytona was created.(copied my C500 vin number)
Then the fake vin applied and sold to an unsuspecting buyer!
Apparently its a well documented story and hopefully resolved now???
Don't know the full story but people went to Jail.

Bad, bad, bad stuff!!!

[nascarxx29]

There was also a black 500 fender tag and vin on a orange Daytona creation not to long ago.What became of that one.Think it was 242644

[500Jon]

One sweet Ride!

[nascarxx29]

I sent Galen that same picture .First time he even seen a clear color picture of that 500

[500Jon]

Why pre 68???

Was this picture in late 1968 or early 1969, which triggered the strange date?

The UK cut-off date for American car 'Shows' is around 1973???

[Ghoste]

Don't know, maybe something to do with hot rods as opposed to musclecars? 

[500Jon]

What are those weird clothes???

Is he a Jockey too???

[500Jon]

Maybe the hunt is still on?

Don is unsure but thinks his car was an auto?
I was told by others it was deffo a manual 440 4-speed dana car!
Hopefully someone will put this to bed.

Time can dull the mind lol.
5J

[69_500]

Jon, did he happen to know the VIN of the car they actually used?

[500Jon]

Hi 69_500.

Just a short and sweet reply after many months...
Also seems no one is interested in the 'weslake engine'.
A classic case of keeping something too long........30 years now......
Dick Landy was very keen on buying my engine.
I should have let it go back then

Always sell when there are buyers!!!