About That '77....

[Lizey]

what would it take, say I dont find a decent trade for the motor (read one of my other two posts) and i put it in the '77...i have to replace the whole front suspension anyway would it be possible to slap a suspension out of a '71? Then the mounts would fit for the motor and everything maybe im just daydreaming but is it possible???

[Hemidoug]

No....
You could put a 440 in it though....
I just happen to have an extra 440......

[Lizey]

what would it take to get that Hemi in there?
as much as I want to get something else id love to Hemi the SE

[Steelshanks]

what would it take to get that Hemi in there?
as much as I want to get something else id love to Hemi the SE

I don't know whats out there for a 77 but If you are adding another 150HP or more then you better find a welder to install torque boxes and a set of subframe connectors (unless it has them already). I know my 66 charger needs both torque boxes and the sub frame connectors.

Basically if you double your horse power without beefing up the frame then your car will fold up on you. I'd wager you would want some of the fender braces also. I'm not sure about the engine mount or the K-Frame which would work for you though...

You will probably need to consider a new tranny also. Not sure what you have in it now

[Lizey]

what would it take to get that Hemi in there?
as much as I want to get something else id love to Hemi the SE

I don't know whats out there for a 77 but If you are adding another 150HP or more then you better find a welder to install torque boxes and a set of subframe connectors (unless it has them already). I know my 66 charger needs both torque boxes and the sub frame connectors.

Basically if you double your horse power without beefing up the frame then your car will fold up on you. I'd wager you would want some of the fender braces also. I'm not sure about the engine mount or the K-Frame which would work for you though...

You will probably need to consider a new tranny also. Not sure what you have in it now

A727 Torqueflight

[Steelshanks]

So if you got the tranny then you just need to beef up your cars frame / body and make sure it'll fit in the engine compartment.  Stronger Drive line, new u joints. better differential. I know some cars don't have room if they have a power brake booster and a few other doodads.

I dunno about trading it or selling it though... seems kinda bad since its a gift they can Very easily sell themselves but are giving it to you for a car instead.

[Hemidoug]

You have a lot of things to consider in order to drop a hemi in there....weight of it is one, exhaust another....don't forget brake booster........will it clear the hood? Hope you know how to tune..took me a while. Hemi's require a special touch. Wide valve covers are cool....but they cost just a ton to keep running.....Trust me...and I'll bet someone will back me up on this, but you would be much better off dropping a 440 in that thing.

[squeakfinder]

  
Body twist will happen with a well built 440. I second the subframe connector idea.

[Hemidoug]

 
Body twist will happen with a well built 440. I second the subframe connector idea.

Subframes connectors wouldn't be much help at all...the K frame is isolated from the front subframe by rubber bushings.....

[Lizey]

so what all do I have to do to re-enforce the frame??

[Steelshanks]

so what all do I have to do to re-enforce the frame??

Torque Boxes
Subframe Connector (? dunno much about 77)
Fender Braces

All have to be welded on except the fender braces I believe. That subframe connector I linked is for older cars, it won't work on yours.

And just dont forget the new driveline / ujoints / probably a yoke or a whole new differential. Your old drive line will most likely not fit with the different tranny and if it did you would destroy it with all the HP anyhow.

[Ghoste]

And since you could still get a 400 in that generation of B-body, that will also make a swap to a big block wedge easier.  Don't mistake that as "easy", just "easier". 

[Cooter]

I don't know but I spect I'd be trying to get my hands ON THAT HEMI before I thought of trying to put in a '77 Charger....Just a thought...

The money it's gonna take you to get that engine in THAT car will out wiegh the "WOW" factor IMO....
To me, owning a HEMI car has it's definate advantages, but it also has it's drawbacks...
I'd much rather be outrun in Wedge BY a HEMI than to be outrun in a HEMI BY a wedge....

[dads_69]

The modifications will be endless. If you've never modified anything at all before. You'll need help beyond your pocket book I'm estimating. Not trying to rain on your parade here, but that's what I'm seeing here. Cool idea, but like you said, sounds more like a daydream to me.

[RD]

 
Body twist will happen with a well built 440. I second the subframe connector idea.

Subframes connectors wouldn't be much help at all...the K frame is isolated from the front subframe by rubber bushings.....

She can buy solid spacers and negate the rubber bushing issue.  I bought a set from a guy on moparts.com

I think putting a hemi into a 77 is not as difficult as we are all making it out to be.  Only issues she will have is motor mounts.  the 77 bay is the same as a 73/74 charger i believe.

the hemi does not put out that much fricken horsepower to warrant torque boxes and subframe connectors. she is not going to make it a heads up drag racing car, just a cruiser.

I don't know whats out there for a 77 but If you are adding another 150HP or more then you better find a welder to install torque boxes and a set of subframe connectors (unless it has them already). I know my 66 charger needs both torque boxes and the sub frame connectors.

Basically if you double your horse power without beefing up the frame then your car will fold up on you. I'd wager you would want some of the fender braces also. I'm not sure about the engine mount or the K-Frame which would work for you though...

You will probably need to consider a new tranny also. Not sure what you have in it now

sorry, but most of what you said is more conjecture and nice upgrades than actual "needs".  a stock hemi engine is not that powerful to warrant all those upgrades.  the car is basically a re-skinned 73/74 charger.

you may want to update rear leafs and a new rear end to handle the hp, but if you have a 9 1/4" rearend in there now, it will be fine.  a suregrip would be nice too.

if you want to do it.. it can be done and it is not that difficult.  smaller brake boosters are available and will be a direct fit (just look up 71 charger w/ front disc brakes for a hemi, and buy that one).  good luck lizey, this would be a exciting build if you choose to do it.  its not like the hemi will have to stay in there forever either, if you find another car you can always do another swap with it.

i do not see it as a daydream but as an actual reality.

[rt green]

if you get the hemi, get a different body. trust me on this one

[RD]

if you get the hemi, get a different body. trust me on this one

sorry mate, i know i have taken up somewhat a defense on her part.. but trust you why?  if you have first hand experience, then dont you think you should explain your reasoning?

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here is what i found.. wow look at all that room!!!    come on guys, this engine can go in there.  I imagine most are just irked that she wants to put it in this car instead of their own.

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/1977_dodge_charger_daytona/photo_06.html

[Ghoste]

I think "she" is a "he" but I agree with you on the room.  It's still not going to be a drop in swap in my opinion.  But let us not forget the many many vehicles that found Hemis between their fenders back in the day.  All those Willy's coupes and what have you never had Hemi K-frames or suspensions designed with that load in mind.
But it'll be an undertaking.

[G-man]

Im not against a Hemi not going in my car... Im just wondering why stick a hemi in a damn oldsmobile made by chrysler and accidently leaving CHaRGER on it. If your gonna do that, may-aswell stick a LS49 Chev motor in it, cost less and still be 'unusual' and it will make huge power to and probbably fit a lot easier.

[RD]

Im not against a Hemi not going in my car... Im just wondering why stick a hemi in a damn oldsmobile made by chrysler and accidently leaving CHaRGER on it. If your gonna do that, may-aswell stick a LS49 Chev motor in it, cost less and still be 'unusual' and it will make huge power to and probbably fit a lot easier.

well i guess i dont see it as "wasting" a hemi.  wasting a hemi would be leaving it in a storage unit for 20 years.  it doesnt matter what car the engine goes in, as long as it goes in a car.  this fictitious concept of a hemi cannot be in anything 75-78 B body is bullshit in my opinion.  it can be in anything that anybody wants to be in.  The only issue as i see it is motor mounts, radiator inlet/outlet in regards to the old style waterpump housing, some removal of electrical stuff from the "lean burn" era, and a brake booster.  there are absolutely no other modifications that will need to be taken into consideration when putting a hemi engine in that car.  it was a big block 400 car to begin with, so driveshaft length is not an issue (though a upgraded 2790 shaft maybe nicer, it is not needed).

and frankly G-Man, putting a chevy motor in a mopar is just as WRONG AS TWO BOYS SMOOCHING IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY. IF YOU DO IT, YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. 

[Cooter]

I think "she" is a "he" but I agree with you on the room.  It's still not going to be a drop in swap in my opinion.  But let us not forget the many many vehicles that found Hemis between their fenders back in the day.  All those Willy's coupes and what have you never had Hemi K-frames or suspensions designed with that load in mind.
But it'll be an undertaking.

Your leaving out a VERY important detail there Ghost....Those Hemi's in those Willy's coupes you refer to weren't done with STREET driving in mind. Most were done just this side of dangerous...They were stuffed in there for one purpose "back in the day"..Going fast in a straight line..Even the ones today are not stock chassis', they in fact, tube chassis $150K vehicles...But, a HEMI IS in a Willy's...

[G-man]

Im not against a Hemi not going in my car... Im just wondering why stick a hemi in a damn oldsmobile made by chrysler and accidently leaving CHaRGER on it. If your gonna do that, may-aswell stick a LS49 Chev motor in it, cost less and still be 'unusual' and it will make huge power to and probbably fit a lot easier.

and frankly G-Man, putting a chevy motor in a mopar is just as WRONG AS TWO BOYS SMOOCHING IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY. IF YOU DO IT, YOU ARE GOING TO HELL.  

I dont go church sundays (first day of the week). I go on Sabbath the day blessed, halowed and rested on. But yes 2 boys smooching....  

Well people stick hemis in chevies, now they wanna stick it in a chrysler badged oldsmobile... that car is more or less an 'old' car not a classic muscle car so who cares what motor you stick in it. It aint worth jack.

The engine is worth more than the car so I dont see how smart it is putting that in.

[Steelshanks]

The engine is worth more than the car so I dont see how smart it is putting that in.

Pretty sure you could say that about a lot of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen with Hemi's in them.

At any rate, I think he should put it in that car or save it for another car. Turning around and selling it or trading it off would probably burn some bridges.

[Ghoste]

I only use the Willys as an example of making a Hemi fit where it was never meant to go.  I'm still not saying that making it go in a 77 Charger would be easy just that it can most cerainly be done.

[Lizey]

ok, so as long as I dont plan on drag racing the thing I dont need all these upgrades? I mean the whole car needs to be rebuilt as it is so it could be a good idea and my cousin has done this kind of thing before  (460 in his '79 Mustang, dont ask me how that works ive never seen it) so he knows about putting engines in cars that shouldnt have them, i figure ill ask him as well... but value isnt the thing here I know this car isnt worth jack I could sell my Jetta Wolfsburg for more id bet but the cars been in the family since almost new so ok so the Hemi could go in something else, something better, yes im aware of this... but thats the thing I dont want it to so in reality, what all should I do to this thing so that once it's in im not going to rip my car in half??