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Started by bull, November 22, 2009, 09:03:08 PM

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bull

I'm keeping my eyes open for a 1967 big block passenger side valve cover but I have some questions. I actually have a Jan. '68 Charger with an Aug. '67 engine so I'm thinking they changed on the '68 engines. I wondering what years of valve covers were the same as the '67? '66 maybe? Also, I thought someone was repopping the OE style valve covers? No?

Here's what it looks like (only not chrome):

Charger-Bodie

that looks like a 68 valve cover to me.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

maxwellwedge

Quote from: bull on November 22, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
I'm keeping my eyes open for a 1967 big block passenger side valve cover but I have some questions. I actually have a Jan. '68 Charger with an Aug. '67 engine so I'm thinking they changed on the '68 engines. I wondering what years of valve covers were the same as the '67? '66 maybe? Also, I thought someone was repopping the OE style valve covers? No?

Here's what it looks like (only not chrome):

If you have a 68 Charger you need a 68 V-cover - what engine you have doesn't really matter - You want your '68 to look like a '68 when you open the hood. Hold the phone - An August 67 motor sounds like a 68 motor to me. 68 car production started in August 67.   :2thumbs:

bull

So apparently the '67s are different? Is this a '68-only valve cover or do some other years match?

maxwellwedge

Quote from: bull on November 22, 2009, 09:37:11 PM
So apparently the '67s are different? Is this a '68-only valve cover or do some other years match?

I had a nice original 67 GTX - I'll see if I was smart enough to take some good engine shots.

Charger-Bodie

Im not 100% on this but pretty sure that 67's had the slide on pvc. ...like a Hemi.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

A383Wing

66 pcv below, 67 pcv below that

bull

Hmmm. :scratchchin: Looks like they're all year-specific. Looks like the pcv on the 67 is the same as 68 but on the opposite end. And speaking of pcv valves, can you get those new?

Now I wonder what the '69 cover looks like? :scratchchin:

One more dumb question, what's this one bracket for on top?

Charger-Bodie

That "67" pic doesnt have 67 valve cover on it. ..it also has a 69 heater hose bracket on the rt apron.

That bracket on the 68 valve cover in your pic (bull) is for the heater hoses.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 10:34:04 PM
That "67" pic doesnt have 67 valve cover on it. ..it also has a 69 heater hose bracket on the rt apron.

That bracket on the 68 valve cover in your pic (bull) is for the heater hoses.

Thanks. What tied the hoses to it?

Charger-Bodie

68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

A383Wing

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 10:34:04 PM
That "67" pic doesnt have 67 valve cover on it. ..it also has a 69 heater hose bracket on the rt apron.


Yea...I knew the "67" pic had the PCV on the wrong end...I was just pointing out the difference in the PCV valves in the 2 years

Try this 67 pic...it has no slide on cap for the PCV valve

bull

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
A tin bracket......Here is a link:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mopar-67-68-GTX-Roadrunner-Heater-Hose-Bracket-NEW_W0QQitemZ400065058217QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5d25bc55a9


The one in the link is a non a/c part...The a/c one is taller.

Great. Thanks again. This stuff would be so much easier to figure out had the car not been continually rearranged for the past 35 years. But I guess that's one reason why we're here. :2thumbs:

bull

Oh, by the way, I might as well tell you guys why I'm looking for a valve cover. Maybe I'm being nit-picky but four of my six bendable tabs are busted off of the passenger valve cover and I'm hoping to find one that has them all intact. I'm starting to think that's close to impossible now. I've only seen a couple of the correct valve covers and neither had all the tabs still attached. Well, that's excluding the one in the pictures above which is for sale on Ebay for $500. :o

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOPAR-NOS-1967-GTX-CORONET-440-R-T-VALVE-COVER_W0QQitemZ200401900351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2ea8e2533f

Charger-Bodie

Grind off the old ones,and weld on some new ones.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

8WHEELER

Quote from: bull on November 22, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Oh, by the way, I might as well tell you guys why I'm looking for a valve cover. Maybe I'm being nit-picky but four of my six bendable tabs are busted off of the passenger valve cover and I'm hoping to find one that has them all intact. I'm starting to think that's close to impossible now. I've only seen a couple of the correct valve covers and neither had all the tabs still attached. Well, that's excluding the one in the pictures above which is for sale on Ebay for $500. :o

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOPAR-NOS-1967-GTX-CORONET-440-R-T-VALVE-COVER_W0QQitemZ200401900351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2ea8e2533f

Your not being to picky, you want them to be right. It is a pain in the ars to get a good set of 67-68 valve covers.
And keep in mind Curtis, if the drivers side exhaust manifold is the HP style, the number 7 spark plug wire runs under
the manifold, so the drivers side valve cover should NOT have the two spark plug wire holders on top of the valve cover.
Lots of people do that, and it looks wrong with those two stands sticking up, with no wires in them, just FYI  :yesnod:

Dan
74 Dart Sport 360, just for added fun.

bull

Quote from: 8WHEELER on November 23, 2009, 03:43:07 AM
Quote from: bull on November 22, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Oh, by the way, I might as well tell you guys why I'm looking for a valve cover. Maybe I'm being nit-picky but four of my six bendable tabs are busted off of the passenger valve cover and I'm hoping to find one that has them all intact. I'm starting to think that's close to impossible now. I've only seen a couple of the correct valve covers and neither had all the tabs still attached. Well, that's excluding the one in the pictures above which is for sale on Ebay for $500. :o

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOPAR-NOS-1967-GTX-CORONET-440-R-T-VALVE-COVER_W0QQitemZ200401900351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2ea8e2533f

Your not being to picky, you want them to be right. It is a pain in the ars to get a good set of 67-68 valve covers.
And keep in mind Curtis, if the drivers side exhaust manifold is the HP style, the number 7 spark plug wire runs under
the manifold, so the drivers side valve cover should NOT have the two spark plug wire holders on top of the valve cover.
Lots of people do that, and it looks wrong with those two stands sticking up, with no wires in them, just FWI  :yesnod:

Dan

Thanks, Dan. My driver's side cover has nothing except the breather tube so I believe its correct. The factory tabs on the other side have a built-in weak spot where the hole is near the base. I'm sure they'd be fine if you never used them. :icon_smile_big:

bull

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
Grind off the old ones,and weld on some new ones.

I thought of that too but I'd still have to find a valve cover that has at least two tabs still attached, unless they repop those tabs. Do they?

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: bull on November 23, 2009, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
Grind off the old ones,and weld on some new ones.

I thought of that too but I'd still have to find a valve cover that has at least two tabs still attached, unless they repop those tabs. Do they?

They are the same ones that hold the wiring in the trunk,on the left trunk extention panel. Yes I believe the repop them. I cant remember who,Maybe Megaparts...608 452 2045
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 23, 2009, 11:54:44 AM
Quote from: bull on November 23, 2009, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on November 22, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
Grind off the old ones,and weld on some new ones.

I thought of that too but I'd still have to find a valve cover that has at least two tabs still attached, unless they repop those tabs. Do they?

They are the same ones that hold the wiring in the trunk,on the left trunk extention panel. Yes I believe the repop them. I cant remember who,Maybe Megaparts...608 452 2045

Yup, you're right, although they're a little different. I couldn't find them on any of the websites yesterday but I called Megaparts just now and they gave me the part number 146-VCB: http://www.megapartsusa.com/proddetail.asp?prod=146%2DVCB

Maybe I'll just drill a 1/8" hole in the middle of them and braize them on. :shruggy:

Sixt8Chrgr

Quote from: bull on November 22, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
I'm keeping my eyes open for a 1967 big block passenger side valve cover but I have some questions. I actually have a Jan. '68 Charger with an Aug. '67 engine so I'm thinking they changed on the '68 engines. I wondering what years of valve covers were the same as the '67? '66 maybe? Also, I thought someone was repopping the OE style valve covers? No?

Here's what it looks like (only not chrome):

If you decide that you cant use them, I would be interested in purchasing them from you.

Thanks,

bull


Ghoste

I need to move to one of these areas where the recession never hit.  500 dollar valve covers and 4 million dollar Chargers  ::) sheesh.  (I know they 're perfect but, wow)

Sixt8Chrgr


62 Max

When i saw the price i knew who the seller was before I ever looked.Worse than Frank Mitchell. :pity:

68r/t

Wow $500 for one cover :hah: I thought there was two.
I have a pair of these in my shed and I thought if I got $150 I was doing well

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: 62 Max on November 29, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
When i saw the price i knew who the seller was before I ever looked.Worse than Frank Mitchell. :pity:

Thats his other eBay account I think.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

I just got my three spark plug tabs from Megaparts today so hopefully this weekend I can weld them on and report back here with the results.

A383Wing

Quote from: bull on November 30, 2009, 10:22:10 PM
I just got my three spark plug tabs from Megaparts today so hopefully this weekend I can weld them on and report back here with the results.


bull

They're coming. The welder I was going to use ran out of gas today so I'll have to wait until Saturday now. I did knock two of the busted tabs off last night and today I drilled a hole in one of the new ones to test fit. Looks like it will work pretty good provided I don't blow a hole in my valve cover with too much heat. That would be hard to do though since it's just going to be a spot weld.

Charger-Bodie

68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

A383Wing

I don't think the welder ran out of gas....maybe "bull" did?

bull

They're done but they don't look as good as I'd like them to. I'll get some pics up later but I should have tried to find someone with a spot welder rather than try using a wire feed. No one will know once I paint them and bend them over to clamp the wires but a spot welder would have worked much better.

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: bull on December 13, 2009, 08:48:47 AM
They're done but they don't look as good as I'd like them to. I'll get some pics up later but I should have tried to find someone with a spot welder rather than try using a wire feed. No one will know once I paint them and bend them over to clamp the wires but a spot welder would have worked much better.

With a wire welder,you would have been better off drilling a hole in the valve cover and plug welding them on from inside the cover.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

Quote from: 1HotDaytona on December 13, 2009, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: bull on December 13, 2009, 08:48:47 AM
They're done but they don't look as good as I'd like them to. I'll get some pics up later but I should have tried to find someone with a spot welder rather than try using a wire feed. No one will know once I paint them and bend them over to clamp the wires but a spot welder would have worked much better.

With a wire welder,you would have been better off drilling a hole in the valve cover and plug welding them on from inside the cover.

Yes, but there's something in me that has an issue with drilling a hole in a perfectly good valve cover. :P I drilled holes in the tabs so the metal would flow down to the valve cover somewhat but without any space between them the weld built up around the top of the hole. They'll work fine but you call definitely tell it's not stock with the tabs open. :shruggy:

bull

Here you go finally. Sorry the payoff is not nearly as exciting as the buildup to it. If I had it to do over again (which I might :P) I would see about having these things spot welded in place. These cannot be used twice obviously so I'd have to buy three new ones to try again. We'll see. Depends on if a guy I know has a spot welder, how much it would cost and how proficient he is with it.

Also, I will say one thing in favor of making these things yourself. Since these Megaparts reproductions are bare metal you obviously can't paint beneath the black insulation so there's going to be rust there eventually. Granted this insulation creates a pretty air tight seal so you'd probably be dead and gone by the time it becomes an issue...