new pictures - 2011 charger

[Bob Hanner]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/dodge-charger-2011.html

A pathetic attempt to capture the essence of the 69 Charger, they made it even uglier than what it was IMO.

[bull]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/dodge-charger-2011.html

A pathetic attempt to capture the essence of the 69 Charger, they made it even uglier than what it was IMO.

Wow, you're right. It is uglier. Now we know why they only gave us the one fuzzy side angle shot to start with. Chrysler's new motto: Don't bitch about our really bad/ugly products because they can always be made worse.

BTW, does that pic look a little funky to anyone but me, I mean besides the overt ugliness? It almost looks like a photoshop deal because the whole front clip looks too big for the rest of the car. Or maybe it really is that bad in reality...

[Bob Hanner]

[Ghoste]

If that's really the car I have to be honest and say that the body line that bothered me the most is gone so I would find the new catfish to be an improvement.

[Go Hogs Go]

I don't think it's any worse. FWIW those pictures are just an illustration based on insider info according to the article.

[richRTSE]

Well, I'm still disappointed in that car. They hit a homerun with the new Challenger, but they laid a big turd with the Charger... I even like the new Camaro alot more than that thing...

[69bronzeT5]

I like it....it's pretty damn cool. I HATE the fact they kept the stupid crosshair grille

[Go Hogs Go]

I wouldn't get to worked up until we see the actual car. I'm not a fan of the front end either.

[Go Hogs Go]

Two more "spy photos".

[speedfreak68]

I kinda like it... I just wish it was a 2 door....

[chargerjy9]

that ain't it. I worked there in Design Office,  I know. those renderings are obviously someones idea based in speculation. The real car is pretty cool, 4 doors  not withstanding. Us older guys have to get over the fact that Chrysler isn't going to resurect a 69 Charger to suit our tastes, and this new Charger pretty well captures the flair of those earlier models and keeps with the current architecture. and yes the crosshair is still there, I hate it, but I take the rest of the design for what it is.

[twodko]

Real Chargers have 2 doors.

Tom

[Hemidog]

I think it looks better than the old one... 
Buy it, so maybe I can afford it second-hand in 10 years...

[0X01B8]

Technically, the first ones were a nice photoshop effort, unlike those last two, which are crap.  I was almost fooled, until I saw the blue Michigan license plate, which was phased out over a year ago, maybe longer.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

I do like the tail lights. Overall its not bad.

[G-man]

Just change the "CHARGER" badge and it "will" be a good car for what it is (whatever the new name given it is) 

[MoparManJim]

Now why is it that they keep on missing the point?   

Like I told a friend of mine once, get a new challenger take thet name badges off and place charger badges on it and you would be alot lot closer to having a charger then these chargers are that doesn't even look lie a charger at all   

You have to give them an A for effert though   

[TruckDriver]

I kinda like it... I just wish it was a 2 door....

Me too. I think it actually looks a lot better then the current car.

[skip68]

It is better BUT, Why are they taking baby steps forward ? ? ? ? ? ?      They saw the reaction from the new Challenger so what's the problem ?   Just give it more lines and more of the real look and it will sell like crazy.      You would think that a company would do the research on forums like this and get an idea of what the public wants when trying to bring back a classic.   I don't care if it has 4 doors, 2 half doors or even a third door.       JUST GIVE US THAT LOOK AND STYLE (BODY) THAT WE ALL LOVE.       It can be done.   

[Mikesmoparperformance]

Well its a bit better then the 08 model but still not a 69 charger
The 99 is the 69 model! that car must be in production you can see that they put the lines from the 99 concept to the 2011 charger.

I would like to see the 99 concept car in production love the rear end of that car!
give you the feeling of the 69 charger.
and them make it a 2door



They make a beautiful new dodge challenger that looks a like the old model
But WHY CAN THEY DO THE SAMETHING WITH THE 69? whats the problem with that
it is still a Dodge magnum and not a charger!!!!!!

[G-man]

I think they are quite smart.

By making these cars... they know people are still silly enough to buy them because nothing else is available. Once (many years later) a real charger looking car comes out (that they could do right now) people will buy that to, but problem is... if the real charger was made now and baught now... nobody would option to buy any more, so there thinking long term $$$.

But then again I guess they could make a real looking one now and always?

But then the other problem is, all new cars how society is every newer model has difference in the look... our chargers is literaly '1 look' only... so maybe the above is valid after all.

Im kinda in a different boat though. Im glad they dont make them look the same as Challenger made theres look the same... because it makes our old chargers the only ones. The challenger mob gotta put up with "i got a challenger to" and yet its a 2009 car not a '1970' so as much as you 'got a challenger' sure u do buddy. Your 40 years too late.

From that point KEEP Making them wrong... i dun want people saying they got chargers n its some plastic moulded 2010 car.

[skip68]

     You got a good point there G-man.   

[Mikesmoparperformance]

If you see it like this the concept fits with the 69 and 70 model put the 2011 charger in the same spot then you see it don't look right.

[Mikesmoparperformance]

i dun want people saying they got chargers n its some plastic moulded 2010 car.

[RCKSTR]

P.O.S.   

[Charger440RDN]

What is the deal with the front end?? Why do they continue to make it so UGLY?!! I don't understand this fascination with that hideous cross hair grill, the front end should look like the 68 charger!!! They started to put a cross hair grill on the new Challenger which was on the concept, but they wisely removed it on the production model which looks waaaay better.

[BigBlackDodge]

I think they are quite smart.

By making these cars... they know people are still silly enough to buy them because nothing else is available. Once (many years later) a real charger looking car comes out (that they could do right now) people will buy that to, but problem is... if the real charger was made now and baught now... nobody would option to buy any more, so there thinking long term $$$.

But then again I guess they could make a real looking one now and always?

But then the other problem is, all new cars how society is every newer model has difference in the look... our chargers is literaly '1 look' only... so maybe the above is valid after all.

Im kinda in a different boat though. Im glad they dont make them look the same as Challenger made theres look the same... because it makes our old chargers the only ones. The challenger mob gotta put up with "i got a challenger to" and yet its a 2009 car not a '1970' so as much as you 'got a challenger' sure u do buddy. Your 40 years too late.

From that point KEEP Making them wrong... i dun want people saying they got chargers n its some plastic moulded 2010 car.

Thinking long term? Chrysler?

The car still looks like ass.


BBD

[TheGhost]

Now why is it that they keep on missing the point?    

Like I told a friend of mine once, get a new challenger take thet name badges off and place charger badges on it and you would be alot lot closer to having a charger then these chargers are that doesn't even look lie a charger at all    

And what, exactly, does a Charger look like?  The first gens look nothing like the second, and the second nothing like the third.

It is better BUT, Why are they taking baby steps forward ? ? ? ? ? ?      They saw the reaction from the new Challenger so what's the problem ?   Just give it more lines and more of the real look and it will sell like crazy.

Except that the Challengers aren't really selling like crazy, sadly.

[69charger2002]

Now why is it that they keep on missing the point?    

Like I told a friend of mine once, get a new challenger take thet name badges off and place charger badges on it and you would be alot lot closer to having a charger then these chargers are that doesn't even look lie a charger at all    

And what, exactly, does a Charger look like?  The first gens look nothing like the second, and the second nothing like the third.

It is better BUT, Why are they taking baby steps forward ? ? ? ? ? ?      They saw the reaction from the new Challenger so what's the problem ?   Just give it more lines and more of the real look and it will sell like crazy.

Except that the Challengers aren't really selling like crazy, sadly.

challengers would be selling like crazy if
1. the economy was better
2. the dealers would quit being dingleberries and stop marking up the challengers and just sell the crap out of them at sticker or 1000 below as fast as chrysler can make them. but no, they'd rather mark them up 3-5k and wait for 1-2 suckers as opposed to making some profit and boasting that they sold 100 new challengers as a dealership. gotta wonder what they're thinking sometimes.. new camaros are everywhere.. is it because it's a better looking car? nope, they came out LATER and already can be bought at sticker or below. GM was smarter about it marketing wise.

[Ghoste]

And what, exactly, does a Charger look like?  The first gens look nothing like the second, and the second nothing like the third.

I would disagree with that, I think there was a stylistic evolution there.  The grille with the hideaway headlights drwas a strong parallel from 66 to 68.  The 69 split the grille but returned to a long horizontal taillight arrangement.  In profile the 2nd gen was certainly trying to simulate the fastback of the 1st gen and the 3rd gen was trying to do the same.  Albeit in different ways but all three generations had the flowing C pillars into the 1/4 panel.  The side scallops appear in some variation across them from 66 to 72 as do hood reliefs of some form.  Not the same, but a steady evolution.
Now the break from 74 to 75 was definitely where the train jumped the tracks.

In any case, discussion about the appearance of the car first posted in this thread has pretty much established as pointless, no?  (since it seems this is NOT the next one?)

[G-man]

Now why is it that they keep on missing the point?    

Like I told a friend of mine once, get a new challenger take thet name badges off and place charger badges on it and you would be alot lot closer to having a charger then these chargers are that doesn't even look lie a charger at all    

And what, exactly, does a Charger look like?  The first gens look nothing like the second, and the second nothing like the third.

It is better BUT, Why are they taking baby steps forward ? ? ? ? ? ?      They saw the reaction from the new Challenger so what's the problem ?   Just give it more lines and more of the real look and it will sell like crazy.

Except that the Challengers aren't really selling like crazy, sadly.

Nobody said 1st or 3rd gens were real chargers 

[Ghoste]

Based on that line of reasoning, the 1st generation would be the only real Charger.

[Todd Wilson]

I wish they would make a 4 door Challenger.........


Todd

[kab69440]

I wish they would make a 4 door Challenger.........


Todd

You would...

[Silver R/T]

good looking grocery getter

[lisiecki1]

i'd drive the white one.

[BB1]

Nice improvement over the old Charger, Handsome too.

[nakita7]

MUCH, MUCH better, IMO. Not a fan of the new Chargers, but this one is better. I don't mind the crosshairs, loved them since the 91 Caravan (might be too long for some, but hey, let's talk BMW grille then...).

Seems odd having 72-4 Challenger tailights (these ARE the best Challenger tailights, for those of you who don't know). If they produce it that way that means the new Chally won't get them, and that would suck IMHO.

Love the body lines, but I do agree, the front looks too much like the current one

Why does the new one HAVE to look like a 68-70? When are we going to move on and quit comparing it to the old cars...compare it to the PREVIOUS year! The Challenger, the Mustang and the T-bird all did the retro thing, THE CHARGER DID NOT, it's that simple. I'm sure first gen guys would love for it to have 4 bucket seats and a bed in the back, us 3rd gen guys want it to have cool hoods and special doors. Yes, the 75-77 Charger 'strayed', but do you think that maybe, just maybe, Chrysler knows that too, and now they are trying to bring it back around, or maybe take it in a new direction like the 99 Concept, which I personally like. The Charger is evolving into something different, that's all. I don't want EVERY car on the planet to be 'retro', just like I am sick of movie remakes...is there no imagination anymore??? As a former Hotwheel collector, I know there is some, somewhere. Let's see where it goes...

[skip68]

I've been reading reviews from others (not this site) and it seems that about 95% don't care for it.      But yet the Charger is a good seller.   So, that means most of the buyers are non mopar fans and just want a sedan.   And that means that Dodge could care less about what the loyal Mopar buyers want.       I have looked all over and read all kinds of complaints like the grill looks like a ram truck and stuff.      It does.    At this point and after reading other imputs from other sites I can say now that I could care less what Dodge does with this new P.O.S. car.   You can see that Dodge is trying to make a change by putting some more lines in it so it looks more like the 68-70.   So this means that Dodge knows it needs to look better or they wouldn't try doing it.  But are they F&*^%^& retarded or what ?   They know what people like and that's why they are trying to give it the look.  SO, Dodge,  QUIT F&%%#% AROUND AND GIVE IT THE LOOK. ! ! !    I find very few people that really love the new look so what the hell is Dodge doing ?         Sorry guys, rant over.   

[G-man]

Keep making it wrong... makes me appreciate my real one more 

Stop trying to convince Dodge to change it cause I will have ur head when a copy of the one I got becomes a production car again! 

[skip68]

Stop trying to convince Dodge to change it cause I will have ur head when a copy of the one I got becomes a production car again! 

  OK, in that case I change my tune. 

  Dear Dodge,
I love the new Charger and can't wait to see it in production.   
I will be sure to tell everyone I know about the car.  It is an incredible piece of art. 
This is by far the best design you have ever come up with and it shows.  I can tell you really know your customers and you have got the best designers money can buy.    Well done Dodge/Fiat.   

[G-man]

Amen!

[Ghoste]

And their reply would be;

Dear American,

First of all, its-a FIAT/dodge.  You need-a to get this through your thick American-a skull but its-a not matter for us cuz we are going to make-a whatever the hell we want.  The only-a reason we make that-a car is because its-a already in-a the works.  If you check-a back soon you-a going to see the nice-a little cars what Mr. Obama want-a us to make.  Nice-a cars.  Little-a cars.  You see.  You are-a going to buy them and-a maybe a nice bicycle too.  Is-a not so bad the bicycle, you ride around and you see lots-a more things than-a you see in-a the car.
Have-a nice day,
FIAT/dodge

[xx29440charger]

 .

[Brock Samson]

 

"The only-a reason we make that-a car is because its-a already in-a the works.  If you check-a back soon you-a going to see the nice-a little cars what Mr. Obama want-a us to make.  Nice-a cars.  Little-a cars.  You see.  You are-a going to buy them and-a maybe a nice bicycle too.  Is-a not so bad the bicycle, you ride around and you see lots-a more things than-a you see in-a the car.
Have-a nice day,"

FIAT dodge

  Welp - your all wrong I have an exclusive source that has revealed to me that they're holding back the design for 18 Mos. because senior FIAT managment was unhappy with the '10 restyle and they decided to go back to the first Gen. for the redesign...
I traded halfa my salami sandwich for the following design sketch. I doubt many will be pleased. 

[charger_fan_4ever]

And their reply would be;

Dear American,

First of all, its-a FIAT/dodge.  You need-a to get this through your thick American-a skull but its-a not matter for us cuz we are going to make-a whatever the hell we want.  The only-a reason we make that-a car is because its-a already in-a the works.  If you check-a back soon you-a going to see the nice-a little cars what Mr. Obama want-a us to make.  Nice-a cars.  Little-a cars.  You see.  You are-a going to buy them and-a maybe a nice bicycle too.  Is-a not so bad the bicycle, you ride around and you see lots-a more things than-a you see in-a the car.
Have-a nice day,
FIAT/dodge

That is funny.

Sad part is I'm sure this is in the works and will happen. Obama has gone social on you guys. Next will be extra registration fees for cars with engines over XX litre's like up here in Canauck land.

[Ponch ®]

LOL...5 years later and you guys are still whining that it should be a two door and that it's ugly. Get over it already.

BTW- I'd put money on the first pic not being anywhere close to what the actual car is going to look like.

[0X01B8]

Why all the histrionics?  Chrysler ruined the nameplate in '75 with that Cordoba thing, and then came the Omni for the killshot.  I'd rather they called it something else, but I'm not gonna trash it because of a name.

Can't we judge it on it's own merits?

I like the looks of the current model and what's not to like about a rear-drive Hemi V8?  Any other car in the same class is front-drive, which is a total drag.  Front drive cars were pushed on us because they're cheaper to produce, not because people wanted them.  It would be great in a two door, though, but that's what the Challenger is for.

[FlatbackFanatic]

I like the 2006-09 Charger, I don't care if it has 4 doors, it makes getting in the back seat easier. Like other people have said there not going to re-make the Charger. Hey they could of put a different name plate on it, How about the Gremlin (they didn't make them in 4 doors either).

[Brock Samson]

Why all the histrionics?  Chrysler ruined the nameplate in '75 with that Cordoba thing, and then came the Omni for the killshot.  I'd rather they called it something else, but I'm not gonna trash it because of a name.

Can't we judge it on it's own merits?

I like the looks of the current model and what's not to like about a rear-drive Hemi V8?  Any other car in the same class is front-drive, which is a total drag.  Front drive cars were pushed on us because they're cheaper to produce, not because people wanted them.   It would be great in a two door, though, but that's what the Challenger is for.

I tend to disagree with this statement, economy and packaging efficiency were the primary reasons behind the front wheel drive trend in volume sellers over the past 25 years... Some folks in the snowbelt wouldn't even concider a rear wheel drive car and so the LXs are offered with All wheel drive...

In general I believe a discussion of the LXs and their competition would be a more productive thread...
Like that'll ever happen..

[0X01B8]

Why all the histrionics?  Chrysler ruined the nameplate in '75 with that Cordoba thing, and then came the Omni for the killshot.  I'd rather they called it something else, but I'm not gonna trash it because of a name.

Can't we judge it on it's own merits?

I like the looks of the current model and what's not to like about a rear-drive Hemi V8?  Any other car in the same class is front-drive, which is a total drag.  Front drive cars were pushed on us because they're cheaper to produce, not because people wanted them.   It would be great in a two door, though, but that's what the Challenger is for.

I tend to disagree with this statement, economy and packaging efficiency were the primary reasons behind the front wheel drive trend in volume sellers over the past 25 years... Some folks in the snowbelt wouldn't even concider a rear wheel drive car and so the LXs are offered with All wheel drive...

In general I believe a discussion of the LXs and their competition would be a more productive thread...
Like that'll ever happen..

I'll go ahead and agree with your disagreement.  I often forget that most people don't care about cars, driving, and FWD/RWD in particular.  I guess I was trying to say that a V-8 RWD car (excepting pony cars and trucks) is something good that Chrysler has done in the last few years.  There's an SRT/8 at a local dealer that I'd love to get.  First thing I'd do is pull off the Charger emblems ...

[SG1022]

Why all the histrionics?  Chrysler ruined the nameplate in '75 with that Cordoba thing, and then came the Omni for the killshot.  I'd rather they called it something else, but I'm not gonna trash it because of a name.

Can't we judge it on it's own merits?

I like the looks of the current model and what's not to like about a rear-drive Hemi V8?  Any other car in the same class is front-drive, which is a total drag.  Front drive cars were pushed on us because they're cheaper to produce, not because people wanted them.   It would be great in a two door, though, but that's what the Challenger is for.

I tend to disagree with this statement, economy and packaging efficiency were the primary reasons behind the front wheel drive trend in volume sellers over the past 25 years... Some folks in the snowbelt wouldn't even concider a rear wheel drive car and so the LXs are offered with All wheel drive...

In general I believe a discussion of the LXs and their competition would be a more productive thread...
Like that'll ever happen..

What he said

[bull]

The one constant that has remained throughout the new "Charger" discussions and arguments since 2005 is that the company, be it run by Americans, Germans or Italians, does not give a flying rat's A$$ how any of us feel about the legacy of the Charger name.

[skip68]

I tell you what, if Ford does put out that new fastback "69" style Mustang it will be just one more time Dodge will be sucking hind tit.       If you are going to bring back a legend and try and cash in on it, then G@# dammit bring it back.     

[TheGhost]

The one constant that has remained throughout the new "Charger" discussions and arguments since 2005 is that the company, be it run by Americans, Germans or Italians, does not give a flying rat's A$$ how any of us feel about the legacy of the Charger name.*

*excepting the legacy of the post third gen Chargers...

[chargerjy9]

everyone keeps on saying that Chrysler should do the 99 concept car. They cannot do that car, it was a styling exercise based on the old LH platform. They were never going to do that car because they knew that the architecture was going to change ala the current LX car

[Landonsrt]

that ain't it. I worked there in Design Office,  I know. those renderings are obviously someones idea based in speculation. The real car is pretty cool, 4 doors  not withstanding. Us older guys have to get over the fact that Chrysler isn't going to resurect a 69 Charger to suit our tastes, and this new Charger pretty well captures the flair of those earlier models and keeps with the current architecture. and yes the crosshair is still there, I hate it, but I take the rest of the design for what it is.

I think you need to be more descriptive. PLEASE!!!!

[Landonsrt]

Lets all face the facts. Obama doesnt care about the buyer. Fiat doesnt care what anyone thinks but Fiat. We're just dirty fat americans to them. Dodge is soon to be going the way of Saturn and Pontiac. Its already started with the rebranding of the dodge trucks to just calling them RAM.

We just need to treasure what we have and face reality. Two doors are the Best. The Current Charger is a good platform. Some hate, others like. Its the same discussion over which is best- 1st, 2nd, 3rd generations.

Be happy that a Hemi still exists for now. Goodbye gas guzzling RWD V8 tire melting power. Hello VOLT!

[chargerjy9]

"that ain't it. I worked there in Design Office,  I know. those renderings are obviously someones idea based in speculation. The real car is pretty cool, 4 doors  not withstanding. Us older guys have to get over the fact that Chrysler isn't going to resurect a 69 Charger to suit our tastes, and this new Charger pretty well captures the flair of those earlier models and keeps with the current architecture. and yes the crosshair is still there, I hate it, but I take the rest of the design for what it is."


I was more descriptive the last time we went thru this here a few months ago. I am loyal to Ma Mopar and as a retired employee  from D.O. I still can't reveal all that I have seen. Trust me, I hated the current car, even if it were called something else, I still didnt like the design execution. The new one, I think, is way cool. they listened to a lot of our concerns this time. give em a break, now more than ever, the pentastar need our support.   

[TK73]

The white "rendition" is not incredibly bad...

Chrysler puts out the '99 concept as a production car and I might trade my 2008 300hp RWD 2-door FORD.

[Magnumcharger]

Let me get this straight.
Someone posts "speculative" pictures of a another "proposed" future Charger rendering....and where is Brian Shawnessy now?

He had no problems chewing me a new arsehole for posting a rendering on this very topic not three months ago.
The world ain't fair I tells ya!

[chargergirl]

It looks like a Mustang plumped up.

[Akron_Charger]

that thing is hideous! i actually dont mind the new Charger (the 09 one) and have actually considered getting one. I think it has nice lines and it is the closest thing to a Charger weve had since the 3rd gens I think if they would bring back a more retro front end and get ride of that cross hair pig snout thing it would be a decent car! leave the back door C pillar window alone, I like how it cuts back in on itself! it looks neat