Buddy Bakers Daytona

[nascarxx29]

[6bblgt]

Here's another picture of the COG Buddy Baker #6 Daytona apparently from the '70 Atlanta 500.  From AUTO RACING Aug. '70 pg 39.
The article is about "The World's Fastest Stock Car Drivers", the car pictured is sponsored by Jack Spiller's DODGE Inc. Marrietta GA. (same as the Atlanta 500 car).

The article describes an interview with Buddy Baker taken place amongst the cars being "prepared for the Alabama 500".  "Just a few days before, Buddy Baker went into the record book as the first man in history to drive a stock car around an oval race track faster than 200 miles per hour."  They only refer to the car as a 1970 Dodge Daytona, and list three lap speeds: 200.096, 200.330, & 200.447 mph.

[6bblgt]

Here's a picture of the COG Buddy Baker #6 Daytona from the '70 World 600.  From AUTO RACING Sep. '70 pg 35.

5/24/70  World 600 (Charlotte Motor Speedway) --  #6 started 10th, finished 23rd (crash) led 1 lap -- pole speed was 159.277 mph

http://racing-reference.info/race?id=1970-16&series=W

[learical1]

Baker ran a COG 69 Dodge in the 1970 American 500.

http://racing-reference.info/race?id=1970-47&series=W

Was this a Daytona?  

[6bblgt]

Here's a picture of the COG Buddy Baker #6 Daytona (behind Glotzbach & Allison) from the '70 Motor State 400.  From AUTO RACING Sep. '70 pg 41.

6/7/70 Motor World 400 (Michigan International Speedway) --  #6 started 5th, finished 7th -- pole speed was 162.737 mph

http://racing-reference.info/race?id=1970-19&series=W

[A383Wing]

I'm sooooo confuzed.......

[6bblgt]

Here's a picture of the COG Buddy Baker #6 Daytona from the '70 American 500.  From AUTO RACING Feb. '71 pg 47.

11/15/70 American 500 (North Carolina Motor Speedway) --  #6 started 9th, finished 5th -- pole speed was 136.496 mph

http://racing-reference.info/race?id=1970-47&series=W

[tan top]

I'm sooooo confuzed.......

me too    !! awesome pictures though 

[6bblgt]

Cotton Owens entered the #6 Dodge in 18 of the 48 races for the 1970 season.

Sam Posey drove the #6 Dodge at Riverside (race #1 on 1/18/70) for the Motor Trend 500.
Buddy Baker drove the #6 Dodge for Cotton Owens in 17 races for the 1970 season.

Race History associated with the Canepa car.
Cotton Owens Dodge Charger Daytona driven by Buddy Baker

race #3 - Daytona 500 qualifier #2 on 2/19/70 (Daytona International Speedway in Daytona Beach, FL - 2.500 mile) – started 1st  and finished 2nd
race #4 – Daytona 500 on 2/22/70 (Daytona International Speedway in Daytona Beach, FL - 2.500 mile) – started 2nd and placed 27th DNF (ignition)
race #6 – Carolina 500 on 3/8/70 (North Carolina Motor Speedway in Rockingham, NC - 1.017 mile) — started 4th and placed 33rd DNF (lug bolts)
race #8 – Atlanta 500 on 3/29/70 (Atlanta International Raceway in Hampton, GA - 1.522 mile) — started 3rd and placed 30th DNF (ignition)
----- sponsored by Jack Spiller's DODGE Inc. Marrietta GA
race #10 - Alabama 500 on 4/12/70 (Alabama International Motor Speedway in Talladega, AL – 2.660 mile) – started 5th and placed 12th DNF (spin/fire)
----- sponsored by Eberhart Nunn DODGE Inc. Anniston, AL
race #24 - Firecracker 400 on 7/4/70 (Daytona International Speedway in Daytona Beach, FL – 2.500 mile) – started 8th and finished 2nd
race #31 – Dixie 500 on 8/2/70 (Atlanta International Raceway in Hampton, GA – 1.522 mile) – started 2nd and finished 4th
race #34 – Yankee 400 on 8/16/70 (Michigan International Speedway in Brooklyn, MI – 2.040 mile) – started 7th and finished 6th *
race #38 - Southern 500 on 9/7/70 (Darlington Raceway in Darlington, SC – 1.366 mile) – started 2nd and finished 1st
race #44 – National 500 on 10/11/70 (Charlotte Motor Speedway in Concord, NC – 1.500 mile) – started 3rd and placed 26th DNF(crash)

* I couldn't find a Michigan race result with a 5th place finish ... so I used the race that fit the time-line
Were all of the #6 Cotton Owens Garage cars for the 1970 season Charger Daytonas?
How many chassis were used for the 1970 season?

[hemi68charger]

...
How many chassis were used for the 1970 season?

And was the Canepa car any one of those chassis's or the show car?...  Seems that's the question in debate? As we all know, there was always multiple chassis available at any given time...

Troy

[C5HM]

Though it is hard to tell for sure, and it is a small detail, it appears that all of the race photos of the #6 show a car with some front fender flaring. 
The show car does NOT have the same front fender flaring.
Significantly, nor does the Canepa car.

[hemi68charger]

Though it is hard to tell for sure, and it is a small detail, it appears that all of the race photos of the #6 show a car with some front fender flaring. 
The show car does NOT have the same front fender flaring.
Significantly, nor does the Canepa car.

In fairness to the Canepa car, it does...

Troy

[Ghoste]

It has a small flare, some of those pics show a car with a lot bigger flare.

[therealmoparman]

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[hemi68charger]

It has a small flare, some of those pics show a car with a lot bigger flare.

And some show a similar smaller version as well........

[richRTSE]

I found these photos on a blog, someone posted pictures from the Wally Parks Motorsports Museum. Left fender looks exactly like the Canepa car, but the wing looks a little beat up. Same car? They call it a replica. Website says :

"This 1970 Dodge Charger is an exact replica of the car that Buddy Baker raced in the 1970 NASCAR season. The Dodge Charger was the first car to break the 200 mph barrier at Daytona with a 200.47 lap on March 24th 1970."

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/10/31/museums-gt-gt-nhra-wally-park-motorsports-museum.aspx

(scroll down almost to bottom)

[hemigeno]

Everyone repeat with me

Ryan,

I am going to ask for the last time that you check the condescending attitude at the door.  Please refer to the PM I sent you yesterday.

There are a lot of questions asked that you have ignored, many of which are in direct contradiction to the claims you have made about the car's history and race provenance.  Until you satisfy those questions and proffer a logical explanation, a conclusion cannot be drawn by anyone (much less those of us who look directly at the physical/empirical evidence).

[therealmoparman]

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[hemigeno]

Let's start with this one:

The date on the Chicago show must be wrong. It has to be 1971.

1971 February 20-28 1971

It cannot be 1971 with all these 1970 new cars being shown.  

How can the car have won the Southern 500 if it was already on the showcar circuit in February of 1970?

[therealmoparman]

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[Ghoste]

It has a small flare, some of those pics show a car with a lot bigger flare.

And some show a similar smaller version as well........

Yes, that's what I mean, it appears that more than one chassis was used.  Not surprising or uncommon at the time.  In any case the racing provenance of the Canepa car still seems to be in question to me.  Cotton Owens record speaks for itself and his due respect and and place in motorsports history are undeniably assured but the questions surrounding this particular chassis leave me baffled.  Attempts to prove the legend that is growing around seem to only be answered with a sort of "it is because I say so" form of evidence.
I'll probably regret posting this but it seems like we keep going back and forth over the same ground and it's descended into a stalemate.
My opinion based on the evidence that has been given is that the Canepa car was built from a chassis that was in the COG stable and was probably raced.  I do not believe it is the car that it is being portrayed as.  I think it was thrown together with a variety of parts around the shop to keep Chrysler happy while the COG continued on with their actual business of racing.  It's just my opinion but I haven't seen anything yet to make me think otherwise.  I tried to keep an open mind and stay on the fence in the beginning but I guess I see the questions and logic in the arguments of "Doug's cult"   as being more forceful.

[hemi68charger]

It has a small flare, some of those pics show a car with a lot bigger flare.

And some show a similar smaller version as well........

Yes, that's what I mean, it appears that more than one chassis was used.  Not surprising or uncommon at the time.  In any case the racing provenance of the Canepa car still seems to be in question to me.  Cotton Owens record speaks for itself and his due respect and and place in motorsports history are undeniably assured but the questions surrounding this particular chassis leave me baffled.  Attempts to prove the legend that is growing around seem to only be answered with a sort of "it is because I say so" form of evidence.
I'll probably regret posting this but it seems like we keep going back and forth over the same ground and it's descended into a stalemate.
My opinion based on the evidence that has been given is that the Canepa car was built from a chassis that was in the COG stable and was probably raced.  I do not believe it is the car that it is being portrayed as.  I think it was thrown together with a variety of parts around the shop to keep Chrysler happy while the COG continued on with their actual business of racing.  It's just my opinion but I haven't seen anything yet to make me think otherwise.  I tried to keep an open mind and stay on the fence in the beginning but I guess I see the questions and logic in the arguments of "Doug's cult"   as being more forceful.

No one's perfect on recollection and Sherlock Holmes'ing, but Doug is one of the foremost individuals with NASCAR / Grand National data on a larger-picture scale concerning the aero-warriors.
For the amount of money that this thing's going for and the amount it went for previously, it HAS to stand up to scrutiny and not just hearsay or first hand recollection to a certain degree... I would think there would need to be documentation. After all, the guy who paid $800,000 plus for it years back, didn't he get any factual and verified documentation?

Regardless, it is one Mean Lookin' Muther.....

Troy

[richRTSE]

Here's another picture, looks like the same car that was said to be at the Wally Parks Musuem. Has the same wing paint damage...

[richRTSE]

obviously this is not the same car...right?

[69_500]

Its a car that I'd love to have parked in my garage that is for sure. Heck I'd be happy with any Daytona let alone one this one.

Now in my opinion and its not even worth the paper you'd print this out on is that it is a show car built on a race car chassis. Now is it the one that one Darlington? I think not based on the timelines. Does this mean that the chassis it is on never raced? Nope.

Memories fade over time, photo's represent. I can't count the number of times that someone has said that they used to have a car just like the one I have but it was a HEMI 440. Does this mean that all the factory documentation that states they never built such a thing is wrong and that the person I met at a show is correct? I think not.