Buddy Bakers Daytona

[Ghoste]

I hope this car becomes known to the world as it what it actually is someday (which is still plenty cool and desirable in its own right).

[odcics2]

I hope this car becomes known to the world as it what it actually is someday (which is still plenty cool and desirable in its own right).

All you have to do is call  Canapa and tell them.

I contacted them in the past and never heard back. Perhaps if others do the same, they will get the message.  
With the amount of street parts on the car, the fact that the instrument panel is totally different than the cars Cotton ran in 1970
and the fact it was at car shows the same time is was supposed to be on the track, heck, any one of these is proof that car never
was on the track as a Daytona in 1970.   

Contact info: 

Mr. Bruce Canapa
4900 Scotts Valley Drive
Scotts Valley, CA    95066

Phone #  831-430-9940




           

[odcics2]

Don't forget, there is proof that the best ANY Owens car ran was 198. mph, leading a draft, at the April 1970 Talladega race. This is documented in a vintage Stock Car Racing magazine.

THERE WERE NO RACE LAPS OVER 200 MPH IN 1970.    BY ANYBODY!    AT ANY TRACK !!       

[Ghoste]

I sent something to them when they bought it, but with what they paid I think they much prefer the "official version of the truth" that Cottons grandson told.

[Redbird]

From their Hemmings description, I am wondering what show Dodge displayed it at in January 1971 at Cobo Hall in Detroit? Since the 1971 Detroit auto show was from November 21-29, 1970 it seems like they are saying it was at another show there, or perhaps they have the date wrong.

[Aero426]

From their Hemmings description, I am wondering what show Dodge displayed it at in January 1971 at Cobo Hall in Detroit? Since the 1971 Detroit auto show was from November 21-29, 1970 it seems like they are saying it was at another show there, or perhaps they have the date wrong.

Good catch.   Pretty sure the owner and his people have just parroted what they have been told versus doing actual research.    He also has the Petty "Riverside" Torino which he has been told is fake, but continues to represent as real.   It started out before restoration as a real Holman-Moody frame and cage of unknown origin.    The real car was written off at Asheville in early '69.   One of the hardest hits Petty ever took.  



You can see how far it moved the passenger floor in.   This is the Asheville/Riverside car stripped out at H-M.   This car was a total write off.

[6bblgt]

The fact that there is a '66 "street HEMI" block (or complete never apart engine) in the car really has nothing to do with its authenticity.

I don't think anyone is claiming "that" engine is in NASCAR tune and/or went 200 MPH. 

[Mike DC]

    
Wow, Petty's Torino sure did take a hit!  


Nobody was scrapping a brand new H&M chassis very easily in those days.  That thing must have been pretty thoroughly distorted.
       

[Ghoste]

The Riverside Torino is an excellent example Doug, I saw that car not too many years ago and even with my limited knowledge was surprised how it was presented.

[odcics2]

The fact that there is a '66 "street HEMI" block (or complete never apart engine) in the car really has nothing to do with its authenticity.

I don't think anyone is claiming "that" engine is in NASCAR tune and/or went 200 MPH. 

They claim the car is just like it was when it came off the track.   So, "that" engine was in it as it was last "raced"....

The car is not nascar legal. Then or now.  It never raced.

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http://www.canepa.com/inventory/racecar_1/Dodge_Daytona/

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[odcics2]

There ain't no skid plates on speedway cars!    

Note the front valance & spoiler are street items, not correct race pieces.  

[pettybird]

There ain't no skip plates on speedway cars!   

What are you looking at?  Which picture?  I'm terrible with how the race cars were constructed...

[1RareBird]

There is NO way that car ran 200 with a factory valence panel. The race Daytona's had a valence panel that was mostly hand made and went from the rear of the cone to the front of the cross-section of the k-frame to eliminate turbulence in that area.  Another issue is the lack of holes in the trunk floor where race braces (for the wing) would have bolted down.  And the wrong doors,  dash panel etc...this was definitely a non-daytona Nichels chassis used  for show-car purposes.  In addition, I met Cotton on several occasions. He personally told me what happened to the Baker car after Buddy crashed it and it wasn't "turned into the show car".

[Ghoste]

He should have told his grandson. 

[odcics2]

There ain't no skip plates on speedway cars!   

What are you looking at?  Which picture?  I'm terrible with how the race cars were constructed...

About 6 pics up from your posting.

[odcics2]

Just noticed that there is a lowering block on the pass side only...  Rather odd.   

[Indygenerallee]

Just noticed that there is a lowering block on the pass side only...  Rather odd.

Yeah I noticed that as well and I believe that was done because the right rear spring has more leafs and is a stiffer spring which would make sense in a Nascar setup, in fact I just received my XHD Mopar leaf springs today and the arc on the right rear leaf is 1 1/4" taller sitting on the floor next to driver side leaf and I am sure they had a very stiff right rear leaf so that is why they ran the lowering block to even out the rear height of the car.

[Aero426]

Just noticed that there is a lowering block on the pass side only...  Rather odd.  

Take another look.   Driver side appears to have a lowering block, but it seems to have been placed below the spring.    The one on the passenger side is where it should be.

[Indygenerallee]

A lowering block below the axle would only effect the travel of the shocks but that car has no lowering block below the axle and above the shock mount on the driver side, the shock mount is just mounted directly to the leaf spring pack on the driver side.

[Stevearino]

Just noticed that there is a lowering block on the pass side only...  Rather odd.   

Take another look.   Driver side appears to have a lowering block, but it seems to have been placed below the spring.    The one on the passenger side is where it should be.

I don't know if it has anything to do with it since this started life as a race car there might have been  an asymetrical treatment of the suspension left to right to compensate for body roll in the corners. Before COT or Gen 6 cars all cars were built in our shop with 1" of side rake   with the corners of the deck lid at 35" and 36"at rest. 36" being the right side of the car. Now the cars are built flat with ride heights of 6" and 8" at the front and rear of the frame rails all compensation is done with the suspension.

[Mike DC]

                     
Yeah, I recall reading a bit of advice for buying ex-NASCAR chassis/suspension cars/parts for streetable projects:  You always want to go for road-course cars.  Those are the only ones built without any kind of bias towards left turns.

 

[Aero426]

A lowering block below the axle would only effect the travel of the shocks but that car has no lowering block below the axle and above the shock mount on the driver side, the shock mount is just mounted directly to the leaf spring pack on the driver side.

Why does the left side below the axle look different than the right side below the axle?     They do not appear the same.