Buddy Bakers Daytona

[6bblgt]

Nobody is guessing on the Chicago show dates.

Can the individuals in this picture be identified, are they the same guys who got their names added to the fender(s)?
The decals that appear in both pictures are in the same location.

[Aero426]

The Detroit show (photo above) opened on November 21, 1970 and ran for 9 days.   Autoweek references the new Dodge Diamante (shown behind the Daytona) in its coverage.

Here is coverage from the Autoweek newspaper referenced above.

[therealmoparman]

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[Aero426]

Then, what about the 1969 Detroit Show?   That show opened on November 16, 1969.

I will call your attention to the text in the fourth column:
"Buddy Baker and his racing Dodge and Mario Rossi were at the Dodge counter..."    
I wonder what Buddy Baker car this was?   If it was a Baker car, it would make sense to be an Owens car as Baker took over the ride in the spring of 1969.



You will also notice there is an overhead sign in the second photo labeled "Daytona Lane".   Hmmmm...
The Yellowjacket is what became the Diamante for the next years show season.

[therealmoparman]

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[Aero426]

McCormick Place. Built along Lake Michigan in the ruins of the first McCormick Place, the replacement exposition center opened Jan. 3, 1971.

First photo is at the Chicago International Amphitheatre, February 1970 (while McCormick Place was being finished)


Second photo is Detroit, November 1970


Third photo is at the New Chicago McCormick Place,  February 1971.    You can tell is it McCormick Place because of the windows near the ceiling.

[Aero426]

You will never see a Daytona race car at the track with a puny little street car front spoiler like that.   Note that the auto show car has this same kind of spoiler.

[6bblgt]

The fender decals are different in those photos

The majority are not different, I removed 3 decals from each fender.
The remaining decals are in as close to the same position as practical on RH & LH fenders.

[Mike DC]

  
I'm voting (with another unqualified worthless opinion) that the show car was not the Southern 500 car.


The show car is a great piece of NASCAR history.  It was lifted right out of the heat of combat in 1970, and time-capsuled for us.  It was built out of contemporary pieces in the same manner as the other racers were at that week and day.  It probably tells us more about the Southern-500-winning Daytona in 1970 than if you found that actual chassis today after multiple rebodies & wrecks.  

But still, IMHO the 1970 Southern 500 happened to be won with a different Owens/Baker chassis.

   

[warmpancakes]

Kinda off topic but Man are there some sweet pics being posted 

[chargerboy69]

The part that no one has explained is how the Owens/Baker Daytona is next to the 1970 model year cars at the 1970 car show with the pink challenger.

If it was Chicago Feb. 1970, the Daytona 500 was taking place at the same time. The only way I know a single car can be 2 places at the same time is it was on "Star Trek".

To me that is the biggest question.  There is no way the car can be at two places at one time.  Links are provided to prove the dates are correct.


The 1970 Daytona 500 was run on February 22. 1970.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_in_NASCAR


And the Chicago Auto Show was February 21st- March 1st. 1970

http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/events/hppp_0904_pontiac_history_at_the_chicago_auto_show/index.html

[richRTSE]

So there was a Buddy Baker at the Detroit show in Dec '69, the Chicago show in Feb '70, and again in Detroit in Dec '70?

[chargerboy69]

I found a very interesting website.  It list the #6 car in several more races than the E-Bay ad states.

Here is the E-bay ad.  It shows 9 races.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Outside-Pole-Position-of-the-1970-Daytona-500_W0QQitemZ170435715234QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item27aec2a0a2


Here is the NASCAR website I found.  It has the #6 car running 18 races.

http://www.racing-reference.info/rquery?id=6&trk=t0&series=W&cn=1&yr=1970


It seems to be a busy car in 1970 running 18 races and being on the car show circuit.  When did they have time to even work on the car?

[chargerboy69]

So there was a Buddy Baker . . .  and again in Detroit in Dec '70?

The Detriot Auto show was November 21-29th 1970.  Here is the link.

http://books.google.com/books?id=t6Zd_fMN2sIC&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=detroit+auto+show+november++1970&source=bl&ots=Keq0PItuRW&sig=XnJLN_KuPi45z2BX66pdiTpsksg&hl=en&ei=AQV8S7C-GIn-M5udmMAF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CCAQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=detroit%20auto%20show%20november%20%201970&f=false




And just a few days before the #6 car was racing in Rockingham on November 15th. 1970.  Looks like he finished 5th.

http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=1970-47&series=W


So would that mean within a couple days, the car raced at Rockingham, was then taken somewhere to get a complete makeover, and then taken to Detroit to be in the Auto Show.  

[tan top]

 getting a little side tracked , but  reading a few years back  , in a interview with one of the mopar mags !   the  team owner or crew chief  of  the number 71 daytona  ,  said when the RACE car  was displayed at  shows ! exibits etc , we  would  fit carpet to the car ! & on the inner door shells  to make it look nice for the viewing public    same with the stick on wood grain dash !   will have a look for said mag feature later
 

[therealmoparman]

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[therealmoparman]

We believe the pic of Cotton with crew and #6 was from end of 1970. After the car was first built back for showing. That would explain the single #6 on the front nose, and the small spoiler.

However, it does not have the crew painted on the fender nor the same decals as it did in the museum. It appears to have the 1970 Goodyear decals, which would coincide that it was rebuilt in 1970. The car did some shows in late 1970 and 1971, visited the Chrysler dealers, ending up in Atlanta and then back to Cotton. Not sure how long he kept it before putting it in Darlington museum, but at some point he must have changed the fenders again, putting on the 1971 decals (long Goodyear) - again jiving with the timeline - and him wanting to put the crew member names on it for the museum and posterity.

[chargerboy69]

Gale Porter called Cotton and wanted a car for Cobo in Nov-Dec (1970) or Jan 1971. The car shown at Cobo in 70-71 and Chicago 71 were in fact the real COG race car (and Southern 500 winner). Hence the sign "Dodge Wins Big in '70"

I am not trying to play the "Gotch Ya" card but I am not sure how this is correct.

The show in Detroits Cobo Hall was November 21-29th 1970.

The car ran at Rockingham just a few days before the show started.  

[therealmoparman]

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[therealmoparman]

Look closely at the Chicago pic - see that flowery looking decal at the front of the fender?

See it?

It has a Dodge Scat Pack bee in it.

A COG RACE car would never have that on it. None of the pics of a COG car have it. Ever.

The only reason it would be on there is if that car was built by Chrysler (Ray Nichels).

There is your smoking gun guys.

[hemigeno]

Look closely at the Chicago pic - see that flowery looking decal at the front of the fender?

See it?

It has a Dodge Scat Pack bee in it.

A COG RACE car would never have that on it. None of the pics of a COG car have it. Ever.

The only reason it would be on there is if that car was built by Chrysler (Ray Nichels).

There is your smoking gun guys.

But why does the same car have a COG sticker in the vent wing window?

[therealmoparman]

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[hemigeno]

Obviously it was a pretty damned good replica.

No offense, but I am not buying this storyline at all.  It does not make any sense at all.  What does make sense is Mike DC's earlier summarization, which is what all the pictoral evidence points to.

The show car is a great piece of NASCAR history.  It was lifted right out of the heat of combat in 1970, and time-capsuled for us.  It was built out of contemporary pieces in the same manner as the other racers were at that week and day.  It probably tells us more about the Southern-500-winning Daytona in 1970 than if you found that actual chassis today after multiple rebodies & wrecks. 

But still, IMHO the 1970 Southern 500 happened to be won with a different Owens/Baker chassis.

[therealmoparman]

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