James Hylton Charger @ Talladega

[nitrometal]

Justin / Bill,  are there any photos of the rear shock area inside the car? 

I might have some Doug.  I took a boatload of pictures of that car when I found out from Bill Rossi what it was (and he was kind enough to give me a ride back to the hotel for my camera, Thanks Bill!). I haven't had time to look at my photos yet, hopefully tonight.

Speaking of photos....did anyone take photos of the Halloween costumes?  My wife wants to see how the Petty racing uniform that she made for me came out.  I stupidly didn't have someone use my camera to snap a shot although I know that I posed for several other people.  I'll post this in the other Talladega threads to see if anyone has one.

[Magnumcharger]

http://jameshylton.com/CarHistory/Dodge%2069/69dodge.htm

[nitrometal]

Justin / Bill,  are there any photos of the rear shock area inside the car? 

Here ya go Doug.  I hope this helps.  If you need it full size I'll send it to your e-mail account.  I have lots more of other areas also.

Phil

[tan top]

good pictures     thanks for  posting

[CornDogsCharger]

Here are the rear shock tower area pictures that I took.  Hope it helps.

Justin
"CornDog"

[Magnumcharger]

Hard to believe that a car of this nature can be left to dissolve into a mass of rust.

[Aero426]

Hard to believe that a car of this nature can be left to dissolve into a mass of rust.

A wise old racer once said, "There is nothing more useless than yesterday's race car."   

These cars were raced, repaired, rebodied, raced some more, rebodied again, kicked down the food chain to Goober and Gomer, raced some more, and THEN, if they were still around, pushed out to the field.    That is why there are so few remaining speedway cars from the golden era. 

[Aero426]

I wanted to try to shed some light on the Hylton car. I was told of the car by Cotton Owens. He knew I was looking to do my dads car. He said it was the correct car for the time. All parts on the car were legit. So I went to see James and took him to look at the car. He noticed the yellow paint all on the right side of the car. After further looking at the car he said beyond a shadow of a doubt this was his Daytona. There is a bar that was added on the passenger side to keep the cross rail and hump from cracking. He said the twist on the car caused this to happen. So he said he added the bar that would help keep that form happening. Also after we removed the drives door and the passenger door you could see the drivers side had all new roll bars. The passenger side has old rusted and dented bars. There are also a couple of bars missing that would have been on the drivers side.
I have been looking for numbers but I have not found any as of yet. I also asked about James and Nichels car and he said he had one at one time. So I hope this clears it up a little.

Bill Rossi

Bill, did you ever ask James if he recalls whether his 66/7 cars were rebodied for '68?  Reason I am asking is your car does not have the recessed spring perches for the front mount of the rear leaf springs.  These are visible on the interior floors of '68-'70 style Nichels cars I've seen.  Also, I believe it has an older style steering box on it. 

[wingman(22)]

Doug, I have not asked him about that. I will look into it. I will also ask about the steering box. You know James being an independent he may have reused a lot of older items.

[Highbanked Hauler]

 I heard or read somewhere that (they)used a chevy steering box in CC race cars.  Anybody know?

[Aero426]

I am told they used a Saginaw unit, but it is not one you'd find on a production vehicle.  It's made of unobtainium.

[wingman(22)]

Doug,
I was looking at the photos of the #71 at Ti ms. Can you tell me exaclty what you were referring to in the photo. Also Cotton told me the steering box was correct. It is a Saginaw and looks like the one on the #71. I will compare more closely to be sure.
Bill

[Aero426]

Doug,
I was looking at the photos of the #71 at Ti ms. Can you tell me exaclty what you were referring to in the photo. Also Cotton told me the steering box was correct. It is a Saginaw and looks like the one on the #71. I will compare more closely to be sure.
Bill

In regard to the rear torque boxes where the springs mount, look at this photo of the Baker show car.  Look just over the drivers right shoulder and you will see the raised platform areas that "suck" the spring perches up into the body.    The K & K Daytona, both real and fake 88's and #7 have this.   I think the K & K short track car in the "dega museum does not have this feature, and that car gives indications it was a '66 style car that's been rebodied - dash, floor, etc.



The steering box you have is the right one.  It's just how it's mounted.   Yours is close to the firewall with the pitman arm forward.    The other Daytonas and #7 have it mounted close to the K frame with the pitman arm backwards.    I'd like to see the K & K short track car to see how that one is mounted.   So many questions...

[wingman(22)]

I still do not see this in the photo all I can see is the seat. Do you have any pics of the #71 at Tim's? I took a bunch of that car maybe you can point it out in another photo, or show it with the one you have.

[wingman(22)]

I think I see what you are talking about. The square area to right in front on the tub part for the whell well. It looks like mine have been modified or never were. I will look at it more in detail now that I see it.

Bill

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[Aero426]

I think I see what you are talking about. The square area to right in front on the tub part for the whell well. It looks like mine have been modified or never were. I will look at it more in detail now that I see it.

Bill

Bill, that is correct.  That square area in front of the right rear wheel well inside the car is what we are talking about.   That is a hallmark of a '68-70 style car.   I don't think the K & K short track Charger has that, and it is pretty clear that one started out as an earlier car.   

[tan top]

has the 67 & earlier master cylinder also ,  .............

[nascarxx29]

No mention of his aero car history
http://www.musclecarclub.com/boards/showthread.php?t=3369

[Aero426]

has the 67 & earlier master cylinder also ,  .............

That is not uncommon.   The #88 car had a single master cyl when it was retired in the mid 70's.   

[Aero426]

Here is a better view of the spring perch area I was talking about.   These are from the #7 Superbird.   Curiously, #7 has the same driveshaft tunnel as the #6, but not other period cars we've been talking about.  

[Mike DC]

  
This is an interesting car.  (Corndog, you're really filling up your restoration schedule lately!)  





I would be very surprised if this was not the Talmage Prince car.  

What else would cause the driver side rollcage to be spliced up like that?  You can bump & bang those cages for years without amassing the kind of damage necessary to make the crew wanna hack out the entire driver side of the cabin like that.  (Visualize the car with that much of the cage & skin missing .  .  .  they must have nearly cut the car in half during that fix).  And if the splicing work was done during a rebody then it should have been the same on the passenger side.