Who knows of this black 1 of 3 '69 500's?

[RD]

it is currently on ebay right now, if ya want the link, check the ebay ads section.  Looks really nice and only $10,000 as of now hehe, 9 days left though.

Any one have any history on it?  Just curious about if what the owner is stating about this car as being all true.

[69_500]

I know of this 500. And yes the car is definately a low mileage car. It is a numbers matching HEMI 500.

Only things I can think of that aren't correct on the car is the rocker moldings. That car didn't come with rocker moldings but a previous owner pulled those off of his other 500 and put them on this HEMI 500, because he said it looked better with them.

I also don't get the statement about the car only having 3 owners. I know of 2 different owners in the past 1 1/2 years for this car. And apparently its at its 3rd owners house now since its in Illinois, and last I knew the car was in Kentucky.

[RD]

the plot thickens!! hehe thanks for the info 69_500

[69_500]

Not really a plot thickening. But then again I don't know if those owners ever titled the car in their names or not. I doubt they did, because neither one of them ever intended to drive the car.

[hemi68charger]

Man, that thing's gorgeous and to think it was right here in Houston new !!!!  Too bad I'm not the original owner, his name was Troy as well.. I would have never sold it !!! 

Schwing !!!
Troy

[Brock Samson]

                                  DROOL,..  

wow! thanks...

[HAZZARDJOHN]

Is the fact that it is black what makes this car 1 of 3? If that is true the only one I have ever seen up close must be the one of the others. There is a guy in MN that has the one in the pic. I have seen it a few times driving around. It is a nice car.

[694spdRT]

There is the unrestored real low mileage black '69 500 with the red interior also. I think the original owner was nicknamed "Speedy" and he used to own a dealership before he passed away. The car was featured in a magazine a few years back and was also in the survivor class at the Mopar Nationals. 

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

the last black 69 hemi 500 is identical to the other ones except it has kelsey hayes recall wheels9i know becuz it is in one of my car mags-MATT

[PocketThunder]

Is the fact that it is black what makes this car 1 of 3? If that is true the only one I have ever seen up close must be the one of the others. There is a guy in MN that has the one in the pic. I have seen it a few times driving around. It is a nice car.

This car belongs to a guy named Mike.  I've been to his place once.  This car was originally T5 though, so not one of the 3.

Did you see the orange Daytona at that same show?  It is his also.   

[BigBlockSam]

wow! nice car

[HAZZARDJOHN]

Is the fact that it is black what makes this car 1 of 3? If that is true the only one I have ever seen up close must be the one of the others. There is a guy in MN that has the one in the pic. I have seen it a few times driving around. It is a nice car.

This car belongs to a guy named Mike.   I've been to his place once.   This car was originally T5 though, so not one of the 3.

Did you see the orange Daytona at that same show?   It is his also.     

Yep I saw that too, and if I am not mistaken that is his Hemi Roadrunner next to it too. It at least had the same name on the card in the window! Small world.

Have a great day!
John

[PocketThunder]

Is the fact that it is black what makes this car 1 of 3? If that is true the only one I have ever seen up close must be the one of the others. There is a guy in MN that has the one in the pic. I have seen it a few times driving around. It is a nice car.

This car belongs to a guy named Mike.   I've been to his place once.   This car was originally T5 though, so not one of the 3.

Did you see the orange Daytona at that same show?   It is his also.     

Yep I saw that too, and if I am not mistaken that is his Hemi Roadrunner next to it too. It at least had the same name on the card in the window! Small world.

Have a great day!
John

Not his roadrunner.  At least that i know of.  He only has the '69 500, '69 Daytona, and a black '68 painted to match the 500. 
Anyways, see you at Anoka this summer maybe. 

[Charger_Fan]

What a beautiful car!!
Looks like it's got a little bondo cracking at the back of the 1/4. Maybe I could get a blemish discount?

[PocketThunder]

Here is a black 500 i had saved on my comp.

[HAZZARDJOHN]

Is this his Daytona?



It is the only picture I have from the same car show with an orange Daytona. Sorry this was the best shot I could get because there was a crowd around the front of it that never seemed to disperse enough to get a good picture.   I must be mistaken with the Roadrunner. My Buddy said the name on the cards in their windows was the same. I remember thinking, “wow! What a lucky guy a Daytona, a Hemi 500, and a Hemi Roadrunner. He still is one of the luckiest people around in my book!

Have a great day!
John

[Charger Aficionado]

What a beautiful car!!
Looks like it's got a little bondo cracking at the back of the 1/4. Maybe I could get a blemish discount?

Damn, I need glasses my vision is getting worse...  Can you Hilight area you are talking about in photoshop?

[Blown70]

I think he is speaking of right where the sheet metal meets the END cap?  I dunno,  I would not complain my self and had to tell with the shadows and back drop of RAIN..

[PocketThunder]

Is this his Daytona?

It is the only picture I have from the same car show with an orange Daytona. Sorry this was the best shot I could get because there was a crowd around the front of it that never seemed to disperse enough to get a good picture.   I must be mistaken with the Roadrunner. My Buddy said the name on the cards in their windows was the same. I remember thinking, “wow! What a lucky guy a Daytona, a Hemi 500, and a Hemi Roadrunner. He still is one of the luckiest people around in my book!

Have a great day!
John

Yep. 

[Ghoste]

Which black 500 once carried West Virginia tags reading "NO WING"?

[Charger_Fan]

Damn, I need glasses my vision is getting worse...   Can you Hilight area you are talking about in photoshop?

It looks like a bondo crack right at the end of the 1/4, by the end cap...I could be seeing things, though.
(sorry, I don't have photoshop)

[Highbanked Hauler]

 If you look where the crack is you will see the body line kind of turns up or gets flatened out.Bet my car has 99% more filler in it than that 500 has and I put it on it so what can I say.A little filler never hurt anything if it was done right.

[Charger_Fan]

Looks really nice and only $10,000 as of now hehe, 9 days left though.

$200,000.69 now & 9 days left!
Did you notice the seller name? A Ferd guy.

A little filler never hurt anything if it was done right.

You're right, HH. I shouldn't have really said anything about the little bondo, it's really a beautiful car...sometimes I type first & think second.

One of you aero guys was saying something recently about the side markers being body colored & some being stripe color? The eGouge car seems to be stripe color.
Has it been determined which way is correct? Or was it both?

[Highbanked Hauler]

  As far as I know all 500 reflector frames are the body color and the Daytonas are the stripe color.

[Ghoste]

The red one I've been talking about in the other 500 thread has it body color.

[ramit]

I thought there was an article recently in mopar collectores guide about the color of the reflector frame.   I thought it said that they all came the color of the stripe.    I could be wrong though.

[Ghoste]

There was.  It was in Galen Guruvier's column.  He's been wrong before. 

[Spartan]

Very sharp looking 500

[Arthu®]

It was in Galen Guruvier's column.   He's been wrong before.  

Now how can you say that 

[69_500]

I know that the marker light is stripe color on the Black car on Ebay. However that car has had a repaint, and it was done years ago when people didn't tend to pay attention to many details. However I know that there are 3 Survivor 500's that I"ve seen over the years, and 2 of them are body color, where as the other one is stripe color.
Highbank was your cars body color or stripe color? Or wait a minute wasn't your car shipped with part of the stripe missing?
I believe that the 500 in West Virginia with the plates reading NO WING is a 440 car. It is an automatic, red interior, with A/C car. Used to be here in Indiana, until 1984 I think is when the current owner got the car. Of the 3 500's that I've seen in Black 2 are HEMI's and 1 is a 440 car. However I also have a picture of another BLACK HEMI 500 and the photo was taken in 1972. The car was drag raced, and at the time of the picture still wearing its origional paint, but the origional motor had long since blown up. My dad passed on buying the car then, as it was without a motor. It was Black, with black interior, and a white stripe, 4 speed car. No idea where that one is today.

[69_500]

Troy, you asked about the XS and XX on the paperwork. The only paperwork I saw with an XS on it was the title, and application to the title. Is that what you were refering to as fishy? A lot of 500's and Daytona's had XS on the titles for some reason. I think it was due to an insurance premium companies placed on the 500's and the Daytona's over say a Charger R/T. Even though both had the HEMI's a HEMI 500 had a higher premium than a HEMI R/T. So if you titled it as XS the insurance company took it as being a Charger R/T. Lower cost.

[Highbanked Hauler]

  69-500, mine was definatly the body color and the decklid stripe was missing.At the speed they had to put the cars out the door it could have been any reason.I just wish I had pictures of it at the time.

[Highbanked Hauler]

 The ones stamped XS were the early cars as they were RT's first.The  S on my cars engine and transmission has been stamped over with an  X. The fender tag says XS29 and the VIN tag is XX29.

[Brock Samson]

 the first pic got side stainless (the ribbed kind?) and a pass mirror.. that's really really coo but where is that stuff on the next pics?.. 

[Troy]

Troy, you asked about the XS and XX on the paperwork. The only paperwork I saw with an XS on it was the title, and application to the title. Is that what you were refering to as fishy? A lot of 500's and Daytona's had XS on the titles for some reason. I think it was due to an insurance premium companies placed on the 500's and the Daytona's over say a Charger R/T. Even though both had the HEMI's a HEMI 500 had a higher premium than a HEMI R/T. So if you titled it as XS the insurance company took it as being a Charger R/T. Lower cost.

I just said it was inconsistent and that I was curious. I think those were the only places I saw it. I know that some of the VINs didn't match the fender tag but I wasn't sure if this one matched but only had paperwork that didn't.

Troy

[charge69]

Don't really know if the 500's were different from the R/T's when it came to side marker color , but my R/T is stripe color and I know it is original. R6 Red with white stripe.

[zstalker]

noteice in this pic how the seller was so careful to block out "earl's" last name, but in the sentence right after that, he told the last name.   way to go.....
reminded me of when Priciple Skinner said "we have a student remaining anonymous, we'll call her L. Simpson. no, they might figure that one out...I'll call her Lisa S."

[hemigeno]

Troy, you asked about the XS and XX on the paperwork. The only paperwork I saw with an XS on it was the title, and application to the title. Is that what you were refering to as fishy? A lot of 500's and Daytona's had XS on the titles for some reason. I think it was due to an insurance premium companies placed on the 500's and the Daytona's over say a Charger R/T. Even though both had the HEMI's a HEMI 500 had a higher premium than a HEMI R/T. So if you titled it as XS the insurance company took it as being a Charger R/T. Lower cost.

I just said it was inconsistent and that I was curious. I think those were the only places I saw it. I know that some of the VINs didn't match the fender tag but I wasn't sure if this one matched but only had paperwork that didn't.

Troy

One possible explanation for why the titles came out with XS on them rather than XX is that perhaps Chrysler never told the State DMV's what an XX meant, or that it even existed.  I have a printout of a bunch of original Missouri title registration information from 68-73.  Each 500 or Daytona titled in Missouri during that time had an XS title VIN.  More than likely, some keypunch operator at the DMV hadn't a clue what XX meant, and probably thought it was a typo - and "corrected" them all.   

[hemigeno]

Don't really know if the 500's were different from the R/T's when it came to side marker color , but my R/T is stripe color and I know it is original. R6 Red with white stripe.

The retainers were supposed to be stripe color, but the Daytona's and 500's were all stripe-delete cars, which meant that the retainer frame would have been originally painted body color.  Creative Industries was SUPPOSED to make sure the retainers all match the stripe color, meaning that some of them had to be repainted.  Retainers from Black and R4 Red cars could be re-used with a car using the respective stripe colors, since those two paint colors matched the corresponding stripe colors.  All of the other colors had to be painted to match.

Danny, you've done more research on this than anybody, have you ever come across an original-paint Daytona with non-matching retainer colors?

[69_500]

Never came accross a single Daytona that had the marker lights the body color. The only one that I'd say is close is Jim's Daytona. The Survivor green car, with a black stripe. clearly has red paint on the marker. However it is painted black over the red. So I"m assuming it was just a red one they picked up and painted black to put on the car due to it having a black stripe. But no Gene I haven't ever seen any Daytona's messed up. I have seen several of the 500's that way though. I know that Highbank told me at Carlisle his car had them body color the day he got it. I have talked to other origional owners that say the same thing. Then I've also seen Survivor 500's that have them stripe color. Seems they screwed them up quite often. Then again who was going to know they messed them up back then?

[hemigeno]

My Daytona has one marker that has B5 blue paint showing through the black that was painted over it.  Same deal, they just grabbed whatever color retainer was handy, repainted it, and slapped it on.

[69_500]

The again looks like somebody slapped a B5 blue hood on your car too.





Sorry had to say it

[Blakcharger440]

There is the unrestored real low mileage black '69 500 with the red interior also. I think the original owner was nicknamed "Speedy" and he used to own a dealership before he passed away. The car was featured in a magazine a few years back and was also in the survivor class at the Mopar Nationals.  

Yep I remember reading that article and that car it was super nice!

[hemigeno]

The again looks like somebody slapped a B5 blue hood on your car too.

There's one in every crowd...   


At least I took the T5 doors off of it, and put the original doors back on!  The original hood was toast (literally), and long-gone though.

[69_500]

Ah now why would you take of some bronze doors. I mean that would have a been a totally rare car. Definately a 1 of 1, with the 4 tone paint job. B5, R4, T5, and the X9 stripe. What a combo.

Anyways, yeah he HEMI 500 that was the 4 speed, that was sold by Speedy was a very nice car. I don't know if that car has ever been restored or not.