WASTED MY MOTOR TODAY....Update 11/10/09 more pics,,,,update...

R2 · November 01, 2009, 08:14:08 PM

I put a link with some pics,,,,,,this was in the 65' Belvedere ( not the Charger ),,,,,

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5580366&an=0&page=0#Post5580366

mopar_nut_440_6 · November 01, 2009, 08:23:56 PM

Ouch!

Charger-Bodie · November 01, 2009, 08:28:27 PM

That sucks!!

bull · November 01, 2009, 09:29:30 PM

Crap! What happened? Did that one lifter break in half?

mopar73 · November 01, 2009, 09:36:42 PM

That was painful to look at

Cooter · November 01, 2009, 09:47:37 PM

OH man, I hate to see anybody blow their stuff up...It WAS painful to look at for sure....Sorry guy, as I know how much $$$ Was in just what I could see got hurt...

Rolling_Thunder · November 01, 2009, 09:49:10 PM

Looks like similar aftermath to when I blew my first engine... Cam missing, broken rods, lifters, etc... This was my boss's # matching 440+6 Superbird motor...

Sublime/Sixpack · November 01, 2009, 09:49:55 PM

Not a pretty sight.

The70RT · November 01, 2009, 09:53:17 PM

What a shame, hopefully the heads are ok.

Khyron · November 01, 2009, 09:57:09 PM

:-( sorry to hear man. When I killed my last motor i was almost crying.

Big Sugar · November 01, 2009, 10:18:43 PM

Well it's a shame about the motor....

...But those pictures are really nice ! Is that an HD camera ?

Ron

Johnny SixPack · November 01, 2009, 11:03:07 PM

Sorry to hear it, Doug.

Looks like you're thinking Hemi, so the elephant will easy your pain.

grdprx · November 01, 2009, 11:22:51 PM

That's pretty blown up!

I've personally never seen anything like it, unbelievable.

john.v · November 01, 2009, 11:28:08 PM

wow, that is some major damage, you drive all motor or NOS?

4cruzin · November 01, 2009, 11:45:22 PM

Tough break . . . looks like its time to start looking for a replacement.

tan top · November 02, 2009, 05:04:43 AM

aww man not good !! never seen the lifter bosses , break like that before

Hemidoug · November 02, 2009, 07:17:28 AM

Sorry to see that Doug....It sucks, I know...but I know when you do another one she will be even faster.

R2 · November 02, 2009, 07:48:44 AM

Thanks guys,,,,
could have been worse,,,,no leaks,,fires,,etc,,,,,
i'll fix it,,,(replace it)
should get ugly as i pull the rest of it apart this week....

BrianShaughnessy · November 02, 2009, 07:54:42 AM

Ouch!!! That sucks. Better luck with the next one!

firefighter3931 · November 02, 2009, 08:11:43 AM

Sorry to see that buddy !

I suppose this accelerates the new build, huh ?

Looks like the rocker arms survived and hopefully the heads made it out with minimal damage.

My new 572 should be going on the dyno in 2 weeks.

Ron

Blown68Coronet · November 02, 2009, 11:22:50 AM

Wow Doug when you break something you don't fool around!!

Good thing she kept everything inside........ could have been the real bad if the car were to slip around on anti-freeze or oil.
Hopefully like Ron mentioned the heads are salvageable as for the rest you'll probably cringe when you take it apart later this week.

So... is it going to be a 572 wedge or Hemi build?

Mefirst · November 02, 2009, 12:21:30 PM

Damn

That engine really imploded into itself..

Good thing in al the missery is that parts did not poke any air holes through the block and dump al the engine oil under your rear tires.. That would definately have hurt more...

/Tom

Steve P. · November 02, 2009, 06:29:49 PM

Damn Doug. It's been a while since I've seen that much stirred up inside a motor. Last time look quite similar till we pulled the heads. The block was split between 3 and 5. 1 piece of the cam was wedged so hard sideways we could not get it out. This was a customers "kids" car. He tried to tell dad that he was sitting at a light when it blew... Dad carried parts home for sonny boy.... I built him a nice mild 350 to replace his crazy 454..

If there is a bright side to this it's that you and the car are ok. The other thought is that racing is about done for the year so at least she hung in for the season..

What was that you said: MEGGGGGGGA BLOCK...... ALUMINUM MEGGA BLOCK.......

R2 · November 02, 2009, 08:41:56 PM

Thanks guys,,,,
Could have been worse...

My wife was there,,,and just thought the car "died" on the track,,,,requiring it to be towed back to the trailer,,,,lucky it didnt catch fire,,,or get sideways,,,she would have taken my man card away for the next week...lol

Just have to ease into letting her know i grenaded the entire motor,,,,and have to "replace a few things",,,,, lol

Doug

richRTSE · November 03, 2009, 08:22:35 AM

Wow, sorry to hear that Doug.

Like every one has said, glad it wasn't a lot worse. On a positive note, Christmas is right around the corner. Maybe there will be a few parts under the tree...you can tell your wife Santa brought them.

Rich

ACUDANUT · November 03, 2009, 08:59:49 AM

Just curious, do you think it would have broken anyway, or did racing bring this on ?
Just a Question ??

Steve P. · November 03, 2009, 07:09:38 PM

I'm betting it pushed out a head gasket and hydro'd.

firefighter3931 · November 03, 2009, 07:14:49 PM

The cam snapped and dropped into the bottom end trying to occupy the same space as the rotating assembly...this is the most likely scenario.

Ron

Hemidoug · November 03, 2009, 07:47:50 PM

Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 03, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
The cam snapped and dropped into the bottom end trying to occupy the same space as the rotating assembly...this is the most likely scenario.

Ron

I've seen what happens when you break a rod...If you broke a rod end or bolt I'd say something got in it's way first.

mally69 · November 03, 2009, 07:54:24 PM

dang buddy that sucks

i couldnt view your pics but i read the statements and it dont sound good. good luck with the new engine.

R2 · November 03, 2009, 08:37:27 PM

Pulled the driver side Head off ,,,,,looks to be ok,,,,,no major damage,,,,
still have to pull the passenger side off.........and check it out.

thanks guys.............

Blown68Coronet · November 04, 2009, 08:47:00 AM

Hey Douggie,
I was wondering the same as Steve IRT a head gasket issue as well cause you have the milk shake residue on the valve cover. Let me know what the head gaskets look like.

Seeing how your block had stock crank and mains, i'd say you were on "borrowed time" pushing her like that. Runnin those times are very impressive with that combo.I thought you had an Eagle crank with alum caps and half fill.

You'll have no probs with a 572.

Kevin

R2 · November 05, 2009, 06:14:16 PM

Well,,,the heads "look" ok,,,,got them both off,,,,,,

The top of the pistons look pretty good as well,,,one little scuff mark,,where it must have touched the end of the electrode on the spark plug....but otherwise ok,,,,,,,,,

Pulled the radiator,,,,
Drained the trans,,,,
Pulled the headers,,,,starter,,,,

Just have to pull the convertor bolts,,and drop the trans,,,,then the motor is coming out,,,and the autopsy will begin...

Steve P. · November 05, 2009, 06:26:21 PM

Much coolant in the cylinders?? How about the valves??

Hemidoug · November 05, 2009, 06:30:45 PM

Quote from: R2 on November 05, 2009, 06:14:16 PM
Well,,,the heads "look" ok,,,,got them both off,,,,,,

The top of the pistons look pretty good as well,,,one little scuff mark,,where it must have touched the end of the electrode on the spark plug....but otherwise ok,,,,,,,,,

Pulled the radiator,,,,
Drained the trans,,,,
Pulled the headers,,,,starter,,,,

Just have to pull the convertor bolts,,and drop the trans,,,,then the motor is coming out,,,and the autopsy will begin...

You should check for bent valves....especially if you hit the top of the cylinder head and broke the cam....I'd be willing to bet your going to find a few...

When I blew up the Hemi it bent every valve...and broke a valve guide.

ACUDANUT · November 05, 2009, 09:14:51 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 03, 2009, 08:59:49 AM
Just curious, do you think it would have broken anyway, or did racing bring this on ?
Just a Question ??

No idea, or opinion ?

R2 · November 05, 2009, 09:44:19 PM

Not sure,,,,
I take pretty good care of the motor,,,,oil, adjustments, maintenance,,etc,
I think due to it being a all out race motor,,,things fatigue...etc....

I talked to the engine builder,,,and he feels that the block likely cracked inside,,,,compromised oil to #6,,,and granaded the motor from inside,,,,this was a "stock" block,,,30 years old,,etc,,,

I usually go thru the traps at 6800 RPM,,,and have had a lot of runs on the car,,,,so i think it was just a matter of time....

Plan is to upgrade to a INDY 572 wedge motor,,,and set it on KILL.........( lol ),,,,

not sure what i will be able to salvage,,,,it's a mess in there............

R2 · November 05, 2009, 09:46:46 PM

Steve,,,not much coolant,,, there is alot of moisture and now some surface rust in # 5 and 6....
valve look ok,,,,but i will have to have it looked at real close to say for sure.....like Doug mentioned....

thanks guys............

greenpigs · November 06, 2009, 07:24:29 AM

I cant view pictures either and im glad. Do you feel ya got your money worth out of this combo?

R2 · November 07, 2009, 06:06:36 PM

I put some new pics,,,,

camshaft STICKING thru the windage tray........

potpourri of parts in the oil pan,,,rods,,pushrods,,,lifters,,etc

Shot of the crank at number 5 and 6 ,,, totally wasted,,,,with underside of pistons,,rods mangled...

VERY LUCKY,,,,you can see a spider crack that almost came thru the side of the block,,,,,,i was lucky,,this could have blown out,,putting all kinds of stuff under the car,,,,,,,,,at speed.........

westcoastdodge · November 07, 2009, 06:47:08 PM

good lord

Rolling_Thunder · November 07, 2009, 06:53:01 PM

ummmm ouch

tan top · November 07, 2009, 07:02:20 PM

dang , that was a big blow up

R2 · November 07, 2009, 07:59:04 PM

Yup,,,The heads look ok,,,,rockers,,,and even the pan,,,but the cam, crank, and at least 2 rods and pistons are shot,,,and the block is destroyed,,,,
it happens,,,,especially with racing.....

I was able to take the Charger out for a drive today,,,,so it was a good way to get my "fix" while tearing into the Belvedere.......

motor and trans should be out soon,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Tilar · November 07, 2009, 08:15:14 PM

Man Doug, that sux. I've seen a few cams break over the years and they all seem to have the same results. I'd bet money that was what unravelled yours.

moparstuart · November 07, 2009, 09:00:19 PM

total carnage

R2 · November 10, 2009, 06:56:43 PM

Motor is out......and on the stand,,,,,left the trans in,,,,which was nice,,,didnt have to mess with it,,just built a little support to keep it in the car,,,,,

Might have found a "new" motor with the help of "the man",,,,( Ron Wilson,,,aka firefighter ),,,,, going to try and re-use my heads,,,,and bolt on's,,,,, and have that installed on a new rotating assembly,,,,

Should be "close" to what i was running before,,,,or perhaps a bit faster,,,,

The 572 is on hold,,,which is fine....we'll save up for that later,,,,,,looks like a 451 for now....which will be awesome for what i do with the car,,,this way i can leave the convertor alone,,and rear gears,,,and keep things "low buck",,,,,

This way the "Black Pig" ,,,and "Mr Clean" can GET IT ON in Norwalk next year............

Thanks Ron......

Steve P. · November 10, 2009, 08:15:33 PM

Glad things are moving forward for ya buddy. And you're right. Ron IS Da' Man....

firefighter3931 · November 11, 2009, 11:15:17 PM

Quote from: R2 on November 10, 2009, 06:56:43 PM

Should be "close" to what i was running before,,,,or perhaps a bit faster,,,,

The 572 is on hold,,,which is fine....we'll save up for that later,,,,,,looks like a 451 for now....which will be awesome for what i do with the car,,,this way i can leave the convertor alone,,and rear gears,,,and keep things "low buck",,,,,

Good call Doug....you'll be getting a dyno proven & bullet proof shortblock that will last several years and not have to worry about driving over top of the crank at 130mph.

Good piece of mind.

Mr Clean is an appropriate name for that pristine 65 Plymouth

Ron

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