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Black Pig vs Green Monster race results ; new bests for both cars !

Started by firefighter3931, October 12, 2009, 11:50:40 PM

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firefighter3931

Today was a good day....up here in Canada this is our Thanksgiving holiday and what better way to celebrate than a day at the track.  :icon_smile_big:

The Black Pig squared off against Kevin's Green Monster (member Blown68Coronet) for a little heads-up fun and to see if we could finish up the season on a positive note. Lets just say we were not disappointed....both cars recorded new bests and came home in one piece.  :2thumbs:

The Pig ran a new low ET of 11.68 with a new best 116+ MPH....not bad for a 4100lb beast running a 440 on pump gas. I'm pretty sure this combination is maxed out !  :lol:

The Green Monster flat out kicked azz !  :icon_smile_cool: Kevin had the beast honkin....how does 10.02 @ 135mph grab ya !  :icon_smile_big: Pretty impressive for a tagged & insured street/strip brawler that runs on pump gas.  :bow: Both the ET & MPH were new bests as well  ;D

Actually, it really wasn't much of a race....the Monster was in the lead after the first 60ft or so, lol ! I did manage to "tree" Kevin but it was over shortly soon after as the time slip (below) indicates.  :lol:

Had a great time and the crowd seemed to enjoy watching a pair of Cool Mopars square off and do what they were meant to do.  :coolgleamA:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

bull

Awesome times. :2thumbs: Good improvement, Ron. Don't go too fast too soon or you'll get bored and have to spend more money. ;D

speedfreak68


RD

67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

Belgium R/T -68

Quote from: bull on October 12, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
Awesome times. :2thumbs: Good improvement, Ron. Don't go too fast too soon or you'll get bored and have to spend more money. ;D

Couldn't have said it better myself. :2thumbs:

Per
Charger -68 R/T 500 cui Stroker


Tilar

It sounds like you're getting her loosened up a bit. Those are some pretty good times and I know you two had a lot of fun!  :cheers:

Quote from: RD on October 13, 2009, 12:08:56 AM
sweet!! man i love that coronet  :drool5: WHERE'S THE VIDEOS? :D


That is one sweet Coronet and it sounds good too. I think I have a short shot of it in one of those videos from Norwalk.
Dave  

God must love stupid people; He made so many.



Beer

1973 Dodge Charger 402 Stroker Smallblock 414 HP/ 466 ft/lbs torque,  8 3/4" 3.91 Suregrip rear w/ DR. Diff disk brake conversion, CalTracs single leaf and Rear Suspension, VFN Bulge Hood, Running, needs interior completed, Had to give to Ex-Wife in divorce 2017...

six-tee-nine

Those are some pretty impressive figures for a fully dressed up street car...
do you have an idea what HP your 446 puts out? (Dunno if you had it dyno'd or not)
Greetings from Belgium, the beer country

NOS is nice, turbo's are neat, but when it comes to Mopars, there's no need to cheat...


R2

Well,,,ya blew that 12.0 right out of the water,,,LOL

Nice job,,,,,,,,  :2thumbs:

Musicman

Congratulations to both of you!... Well done :2thumbs:   Thanks for the post :cheers:

dodgecharger-fan


PocketThunder

What is the significance of a 60ft time?  Why not 70 ft?  80 ft?  Is there any reason that it is 1/22 of 1/4 of a mile?
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."


41husk

1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

Blown70

NICE I would have loved to have seen this happen  :drool5:

AND WOW that is honking or oinking for PIG.... :2thumbs:

Troy

Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

tan top

 :coolgleamA:  good stuff Ron  new PB   , dang that coronet was moving 1.4 60 ft :coolgleamA:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

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Hemidoug

Good job Ron! Man I wish I could get my pig to 60ft like yours....still in the 1.90 range. What gears are you running? Our MPH is exactly the same.....
71 R/T 440 6pak, 4spd Mr Norms GSD

mally69


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1970Moparmann

My name is Mike and I'm a Moparholic!

Steve P.

See, I told you it would go faster if you take your foot off the brakes...  :D


Great runs on both accounts... They love that cold air......   :2thumbs:
Steve P.
Holiday, Florida

Lifsgrt

Outstanding performance from both of you!  Good on you guys for using your cars as they were meant to be used!
Must be those Firecore wires on your car Ron! :cheers:
Best time 11.07@121

Blown68Coronet

Quote from: Lifsgrt on October 13, 2009, 10:31:11 PM
Outstanding performance from both of you!  Good on you guys for using your cars as they were meant to be used!
Must be those Firecore wires on your car Ron! :cheers:

Actually both cars run Firecore's!!!

Thanks guys it was a great day to get out and make some runs. Regretfully we didn't have a camera person with us this time, we'll make sure next time. :2thumbs:

skip68

NICE ! ! !   I saw that at Mikes and said "DAMB" ...   Good job Ron.    :2thumbs:     :notworthy:
skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


bill440rt

Damn! Ron, your Charger looks (& runs) bad-a$$!!!
Congrats on great track times!!  :cheers:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

firefighter3931

Thanks for all the positive feedback guys  :icon_smile_big:......it means a lot coming from this forum.  :2thumbs:

I might get one more kick at the cat if the weather holds out....might go to the Mopar day at NED on Oct 31  :icon_smile_cool:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Steve P.

Steve P.
Holiday, Florida


oldschool

1968 cuda formula S bb 4-sp                          1968 Charger R/T 500" 4-sp
1970 Charger 580" 4-sp
1970 Cuda Convertible 500" 4-sp
1970 Cuda Convertible 500" 4-sp
TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!


firefighter3931

Quote from: Hemidoug on October 13, 2009, 04:15:25 PM
Good job Ron! Man I wish I could get my pig to 60ft like yours....still in the 1.90 range. What gears are you running? Our MPH is exactly the same.....


Doug, the gears are 4.10's with a 295/65 MT Drag Radial. It really needs more stall and gear to ET better but that's all academic because the engine will be pulled later this fall in preperation for the new 572 Wedge. The 4.10's a 295 MT's will be ideal for that combination.  :yesnod:

Come up to NED on oct 31st for the Mopar day.....maybe we can line them up !  :icon_smile_big:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Purple440

Quote from: firefighter3931 on October 15, 2009, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: Hemidoug on October 13, 2009, 04:15:25 PM
Good job Ron! Man I wish I could get my pig to 60ft like yours....still in the 1.90 range. What gears are you running? Our MPH is exactly the same.....


Doug, the gears are 4.10's with a 295/65 MT Drag Radial. It really needs more stall and gear to ET better but that's all academic because the engine will be pulled later this fall in preperation for the new 572 Wedge. The 4.10's a 295 MT's will be ideal for that combination.  :yesnod:

Come up to NED on oct 31st for the Mopar day.....maybe we can line them up !  :icon_smile_big:



Ron

Very cool both of you guys.   :2thumbs:

Ron - a 572 Wedge?  Don't forget the wheelie bars :fireangry:

472 R/T SE

Dang, you're flat gettin' with the program.  Impressive.
I think it's pretty safe to say, knowing you, it was to be expected.  :2thumbs:  Way to represent fellas.

Pretty depressing, your 60'er is almost a full second quicker than mine.  :blush2:

Challenger340

 :2thumbs:
Geez, you guys both have very good short times(60'), for Street cars that heavy ! 

NICE Cars Guys !
Only wimps wear Bowties !

mikepmcs

Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

greenpigs

So 11.6's with a 446 and soon a 572 hmm...I think you might get close to showing Blown68Cornet the Black Pigs a$$.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

Blown68Coronet

Quote from: greenpigs on October 25, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
So 11.6's with a 446 and soon a 572 hmm...I think you might get close to showing Blown68Cornet the Black Pigs a$$.

Hah! We've already had this discussion. I still have a little something up my sleeve...... :D
Nothing a pulley swap can't fix!  :nana: hehe

greenpigs

1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

firefighter3931

Quote from: Blown68Coronet on October 26, 2009, 07:38:17 AM
Quote from: greenpigs on October 25, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
So 11.6's with a 446 and soon a 572 hmm...I think you might get close to showing Blown68Cornet the Black Pigs a$$.

Hah! We've already had this discussion. I still have a little something up my sleeve...... :D
Nothing a pulley swap can't fix!  :nana:  hehe


Yep.....boost is a beautiful thing but two can play that game.  :icon_smile_big:  If someone swaps pullies the Pig might just get a small plate and some laughing gas.  :lol:

Should be fun next year !    :coolgleamA:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Blown68Coronet

Quote from: firefighter3931 on October 26, 2009, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Blown68Coronet on October 26, 2009, 07:38:17 AM
Quote from: greenpigs on October 25, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
So 11.6's with a 446 and soon a 572 hmm...I think you might get close to showing Blown68Cornet the Black Pigs a$$.

Hah! We've already had this discussion. I still have a little something up my sleeve...... :D
Nothing a pulley swap can't fix!  :nana:  hehe


Yep.....boost is a beautiful thing but two can play that game.  :icon_smile_big:  If someone swaps pullies the Pig might just get a small plate and some laughing gas.  :lol:

Should be fun next year !    :coolgleamA:


Ron


Ahh bottles are for babies Ron! :D
If the pulley swap doesn't help I'll just swith over to alcohol!!  :nana:

Blown70

Quote from: Blown68Coronet on October 26, 2009, 12:24:54 PM

Ahh bottles are for babies Ron! :D
If the pulley swap doesn't help I'll just swith over to alcohol!!  :nana:

Ohhh boy look at this challenge.....   :2thumbs:

elacruze

Ron,

Are your 60' times on DOT tires?

You got something other than Cal-Tracs under there?

Nice runs, I hope mine gets within a half-second of that.
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
---
Torque converters are for construction equipment.

Steve P.

He's running M/T drag radials and Super Stock springs with a full interior, (including all heater crap) and a cage AND full exhaust. At 4100 pounds he's eating up the track.... 

Did I mention this monster is contained under an uncut full steel hood?? ??

Steve P.
Holiday, Florida

472 R/T SE

The Cal Tracs is coming though he said.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50400.0.html

My excuse of my car being heavy don't hold any water compared to the Black Pig.

elacruze

Quote from: Steve P. on October 26, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
He's running M/T drag radials and Super Stock springs with a full interior, (including all heater crap) and a cage AND full exhaust. At 4100 pounds he's eating up the track.... 

Did I mention this monster is contained under an uncut full steel hood?? ??

Ya that's why I'm paying attention, not only to his engine threads but his particular car...it's pretty close to what mine will be. Full interior, A/C, P/S, power windows...440 +.030. I don't have aluminum heads though, I can expect to be a little heavier and a little less motor. Those 60' times are tasty though, and I got a heavy flywheel, 4 speed and 4:10 D60. If I can 60' like that the 1/4 mile times will be a little less important...

New Port Richie...where is that? I'm in Jensen Beach, north of Stuart.
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
---
Torque converters are for construction equipment.

firefighter3931

Quote from: elacruze on October 26, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on October 26, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
He's running M/T drag radials and Super Stock springs with a full interior, (including all heater crap) and a cage AND full exhaust. At 4100 pounds he's eating up the track.... 

Did I mention this monster is contained under an uncut full steel hood?? ??

Ya that's why I'm paying attention, not only to his engine threads but his particular car...it's pretty close to what mine will be. Full interior, A/C, P/S, power windows...440 +.030. I don't have aluminum heads though, I can expect to be a little heavier and a little less motor. Those 60' times are tasty though, and I got a heavy flywheel, 4 speed and 4:10 D60. If I can 60' like that the 1/4 mile times will be a little less important...

New Port Richie...where is that? I'm in Jensen Beach, north of Stuart.


Elacruze,

The current combination is a bit of a mismatch ; not enough gear or stall to ET like it should be...116mph @4100 is good for 11.40's IF everything else is right. The MPH shows ~500 rwhp to run 116@4100 raceweight so the engine is doing it's job.  :icon_smile_big:  When this engine combination went together i knew it was only going to be temporary....the plan was supposed to be a 493 with the top end off this 446 to be transferred over. So the exhaust/gearing/stall speed etc...was sized with that in mind. I have since decided to go with a 572 pump gas build so the 493 will find it's way into my other car (70 Charger) and the new build will be going into this car (Black Pig).

Of course all this means a bunch of changes ; fuel system, suspension (caltracs), driveshaft, torque converter, locker SG unit etc...all need to be upgraded to handle the additional power. The ultimate goal is to run a 9 second pass on pump gas with a 4100lb full bodied, all steel Charger under the factory hood. Not sure if i'll get there but it'll be fun trying.  :icon_smile_big:

As for your's : the 4 speed will help if you can get it to launch properly....you will need a good clutch and a strong driveline to make it live.  :yesnod:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Steve P.

Elacruze, New Port Richey is just North of Clearwater and NorthWest of Tampa. I live 5 miles from the Gulf Of Mexico.   Never been to Stuart. 
Steve P.
Holiday, Florida

b5blue

Steve he's on the East Coast and south a little from us.  :scratchchin: Ron sounds like you plan on making the Black Pig squeal next year!! Heck your already doing pretty darn well for a full dress ride, I can't wait to see the fur fly next year!   :2thumbs:   

8WHEELER

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT   :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

My kind of guy, all steel, no bottle   :icon_smile_cool:  and light the tires with ease. Plus you just never know
when you might get cold and need to turn on that defrost   :rofl: :rofl:  because you got hot and bothered and
fogged up the windows  :lol:  we get pretty excited the lower those ET numbers go  :cheers:

GO PIG GO   :drool5:  572  :scratchchin:  look out boys and girls, you might need a neck color bud!!!

Dan
74 Dart Sport 360, just for added fun.