69 RR with 99 99 paint code ( petty blue ) ? was it avalible

[moparstuart]

 

[moparstuart]

    i have seen rally green and omaha orange but was petty blue avalible in 69 ,  I know you could get it in 70  ,   

[68X426]

I believe the answer is no, not available in 1969. Yes 68 and 70. Let me explain.

Here is what I know: Petty Blue was available in 1968 on the Plymouth Road Runner for those vehicles that were special order and special paint coded. The fender tag for 68 would have a Y9 and 999. I know this with complete certainty because my Road Runner is Y9, 999, and an original Petty Blue. (Paint was changed by the second owner, total mistake, but that's another story).

Here is what I learned in the past year as I researched your same questions (but with no documentation, just reasonable supporting evidence told to me by old time NASCAR guys): that Richard and Chrysler spent the '68 racing year fighting over his Plymouth's performance. By summer he issued ultimatums to Chrysler. In August he told them straight out that he was switching to Ford but would still negotiate. Not until November 25th did Petty announce to the press that his team would run with the Ford Torino in 1969.

This was the reason that there was no Petty Blue used for 99 99 coded Plymouths in 1969. Chrysler simply pulled the plug on Petty Blue at the start of production for the '69 models.

I can find nothing on the Net to document this, but sure seems to make sense. I submitted questions to the Chrysler Museum and got a "sorry, no info" response.

What an obscure and yet histroic significant question: is there a 99 99 Petty Blue 1969 Plymouth Road Runner out there somewhere?

Richard was one bad ass, and ultimately won his battles and the war and got the car he wanted.

[68X426]

Stuart: I just now see the photo you had on the first post. It did not show up on my screen when I initially saw your post (some pics just come out blank on my screen).

Well it would appear that you have the Holy Grail - a 99 99 coded 1969 Petty Blue. 

Might just be one-of-one !!? Is it original paint? Has Govier or a historian seen it?

[maxwellwedge]

By looking at the battery tray (paint over pitting) and apparent lack of seam sealer on the fenders it looks like a re-spray. Not to say it wasn't originally that color - just to say it looks like it's been repainted - in the areas we can see.

[moparstuart]

  guy is an aussie , the car is down under  ?  he says its petty blue under it all  ?    what other colors could it have been  ?   with a B-7 interior colors  ?   A 99 99 special order paint with blue interior . 

[maxwellwedge]

Chrysler would paint a car any color a customer wanted - even Chevy Orange!  If it is that color underneath I wouldn't doubt it. Now, if a Canadian tried to claim that ..........   

[hemigeno]

They even spec'd it with red longitudinal tape stripes to go with the as-yet-introduced Petty/STP motif!  

[69bronzeT5]

 

That's one helluva car! Stuart, got anymore pics?

[hemi-hampton]

The Y39 Means special order. SPD was November 3Oth 5 days after he anounced he was racing for Ford. Car was probably painted the day before they pulled the color. The red Stripe V7R was painted while V6R was tape from my info. Sounds like a rare combination. LEON.

[Alaskan_TA]

99 was used for any paint color commercially available that was not a standard color for the model, even if it was from a prior model year, or a Ford or Chevy color.

Does this one resemble Petty Blue? Yes.

Was it named Petty Blue? Not likely.

[vancamp]

wasnt petty blue and corporate blue the same color???

[gtx6970]

I would prefer to refrain from judegment of this actual car unless I could see if in person

[Rolling_Thunder]

wasnt petty blue and corporate blue the same color???

to my knowledge - so the question was corporate blue available in 69 ?

[vancamp]

the text at the bottom mentions corporate blue

[68X426]

wasnt petty blue and corporate blue the same color???

No, not the same. They are two distinct colors. Yes, Corporate Blue was available in 1969.

Plymouth was using the color Plymouth Blue as early as the 1930's. It first shows up on the Ditzler color chart for 1935, with code IM-903. It looks like Corporate Blue used 35 years later.

Corporate Blue shows up on the Plymouth color charts in both 1968 and 1969 as standard, using code 12785 both years.

Petty Blue is the color that Richard and Maurice Petty created in 1959, starting with their Grand National Plymouth Fury. They patented their color and Petty Racing owns the rights to the color. Chrysler paid royalties for its use. A great deal has been documented on Petty Blue and its history. An excellent article on all things Petty is found at http://www.allpar.com/racing/petty-plymouth-racing.html.  About one-third of the way into the article is a short story about their paint color.

I am attaching a pdf document that has the two colors side-by-side. The Petty Blue is slightly lighter in tone. I have no idea if the differences will be visible once the doc is posted, but it's easy to see on the original. Hope it works.

It would be a great learn more about the car and that paint job. 

[moparstuart]

  I have been talking to this guy for a few weeks on the 69 roadrunner board    here is the thread   more pictures  http://69roadrunner.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1697 

[mauve66]

close enough that you couldn't tell unless they were parked next to each other

[riffraf]

G'day everyone
I have just found this post on the site and thanks to moparstuart this has come to light,this could be what i think a very rare bird indeed i am having trouble verifying the authenticity of it i know what the tag reads i just need verification can any one of you kind people point me in the right direction please as i am stummped on what to do next.
craig

[moparstuart]

  good to see you craig   

[Tom Q]

Yes the "color" was available in 1969, according to my research this is the rarest of special 1969 colors. A handfull of cars were painted the corporate blue.  See that "9" in the SO #??

I have a spring green 999 69 Road Runner

[69CoronetRT]

See that "9" in the SO #??

From what I've seen, the LA plant was the only one that used the 925***, 926*** and 927*** VON code for 99 paint cars regularly yet they were not consistent in using the code the entire production year. While it is common to find the 92**** VON with 99 paint code cars from the LA plant, that procedure does not seem to carry over to St. Louis or Lynch Road. You can find 99 paint cars from those plants with regular VON numbers.

It's also interesitng to note that the 925 and 926 series VONs were used for Charger 500s and Daytonas. What's it mean? IDK. It's just one more piece of the VON assignment puzzle.

[68X426]

G'day everyone
I have just found this post on the site and thanks to moparstuart this has come to light,this could be what i think a very rare bird indeed i am having trouble verifying the authenticity of it i know what the tag reads i just need verification can any one of you kind people point me in the right direction please as i am stummped on what to do next.
craig

Craig, great to see the car and welcome to the site. Awesome.

Next step is finding the broadcast sheet/buildsheet. Then finding the original owner. Both of these may be impossible. Finally, a close physical inspection will likely uncover the original color and/or repainting. Everyone would love to see lots of pics.

I seem to remember that the consensus at the 69roadrunner.net forum was that this is the only 99 99 petty blue known. There are lots of 69 RR experts to help you on the paint, the codes, and history (not me, I'm a 68er, and then just an amateur).

Pics my man, lots of pics.

[tan top]

G'day everyone
I have just found this post on the site and thanks to moparstuart this has come to light,this could be what i think a very rare bird indeed i am having trouble verifying the authenticity of it i know what the tag reads i just need verification can any one of you kind people point me in the right direction please as i am stummped on what to do next.
craig

hello & welcome 

[riffraf]

Gday Stewy
I have been off air for a while (winter)
Thanks guys for all the good advice i contacted G.Govier on this so lets see i will keep you all informed.
Just some infor that i know on the beast.
The car was purchased 5 years ago from an older gentelmen in California,the old fella was a roadrunner nut apparently i will try and remember his name as the guy i bought it of told me any way He found the car with no motor,gearbox ,interior,glass and had been painted white by a labotamized monkey with straw broom.
He opened the trunk and the blue was there he then looked at the fender tag and knew what it was,he restored it 51-17 years ago to what you see in the pic now.
I for one believe it a genuine artical as the tag has the V7R (painted red stripe),the interior,blue to match the petty blue,all the trim is correct why would it be painted orange or green with that combo?.
Ok  everyone