For those that like SUPER CARS

[Blown70]

Well for the show me the size of your bank account

MCLAREN. MP4-12C  Supposed to be the NEW SUPER car out

[bearbqd]

I got two of those

[Rolling_Thunder]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

[bull]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

[Blown70]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

That looks like a F-22 Raptor on wheels  WOW.... bet that is ride.

[Rolling_Thunder]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

that only costs 1,600,000.00     

[BrianShaughnessy]

Super...  I'll be waiting for something like that 

  I'll park it next to my Veyron,  Enzo, DB9, Countachs...   

    in the basement,  on my slotcar track   

[bull]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

that only costs 1,600,000.00     

Yea, that makes it cooler. Just think how much good that money could do if the potbellied insecure sweat hogs buying them spent it on someone with actual needs instead of always trying to fill their own sieve of affirmation?

[Blown70]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

that only costs 1,600,000.00     

Yea, that makes it cooler. Just think how much good that money could do if the potbellied insecure sweat hogs buying them spent it on someone with actual needs instead of always trying to fill their own sieve of affirmation?

That was not really needed and not why the thread was started.....

[Rolling_Thunder]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

that only costs 1,600,000.00     

Yea, that makes it cooler. Just think how much good that money could do if the potbellied insecure sweat hogs buying them spent it on someone with actual needs instead of always trying to fill their own sieve of affirmation?

Yeah - I get your point but hey - the guy made his money and if he wants to spend it on a Lambo then good for him...     and just so it is known he donates about 1/4 of his annual income to various charities...         

[Mr.Woolery]

That McClaren looks...well, kinda disappointing.  It looks too normal to be a McClaren supercar.  And with no center seating arrangement for the driver!?  FAIL

I prefer the F1.

[gtx6970]

nice!   my friend's father is loaded - maybe he'll buy one...     he's still jazzed about his Reventon.

BFD. Looks like an 09 Countach to me.

that only costs 1,600,000.00     

Yea, that makes it cooler. Just think how much good that money could do if the potbellied insecure sweat hogs buying them spent it on someone with actual needs instead of always trying to fill their own sieve of affirmation?

I personally don't care for either car , But this comment is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of line

[beware the sleeper]

in the infinite wisdom of dave chappelle "haters gotta hate, lovers gotta love"

[bull]

I ain't hatin, I'm just statin. Nothing personal toward anyone because I don't know any supercar buyers personally but in general, if someone has self-worth issues they think can be solved by spending gobs of money on themselves then the thing they need most is professional counseling. I don't think there's anything out of line by speaking the truth. If the show fits... If not there's no reason to be offended is there?

[beware the sleeper]

nah i was actually just arguin that if someone can drool over one, than someone should be able to sneer at it too.

I think your comment was a little bit generalized and should have been formed more as an opinion than a statement, but i was actually arguing against the fact that you where out of line, like you had every right to state your opinion.

[bull]

 

[Blown70]

Bull you have the full right to your opinion.  But, not sure till how that fits to this topic, simple intoduction to a new supercar.  I personally have a decent income, and do some charity work/spending myself.  But I DO WORK MY A*& off and work 6 days per week.  That is my choice,  that being said.  I will do what I want with the money I EARN, and be DAM*& if some internet peronality is going tell me I am a "potbellied insecure sweat hogs"

Now back to the thread.

[TylerCharger69]

Oh....why can't we all just get along!!!!...Haha....

[Brock Samson]

 I noticed too the lack of the third seat in the Mclaren,.. seems like the original had more in your face personality,..


But, this newer one looks pretty clean IMO few of these newer supercars have the classic lines of some of the originals from the '60s and '70s,..
Does the Revington Lambo really cost 1.6 Mill?..  thanks alot of bannanas...
I guess the rich got richer and us poor are getting poorer,.. though it's all relevant and sometimes is hard to put in context...
I once noted that Jay Leno made an awful lot of money for some guy who works 90 minutes a day,.. and someone climbed all up and down my back for it...
I still think a school teacher (or 50) should get that kinda' dough,.. but that's just my opinion.  
If i was to get a supercar my first choice would be the Ferrari Daytona,.. but of the modern ones I think an aston martin one 77 would be pretty sweet...




too many of these cars are flavor of the month rides...
I love the way those aston V-12s sound.... 750 H.P. BTW.
  hear it at 1:47 in the Vid..
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwaGBUccq2c
Cost?... a little over 1 Million Pounds British... which is what? Well over $2 Million U.S?
 

[Mr.Woolery]

Yea, that makes it cooler. Just think how much good that money could do if the potbellied insecure sweat hogs buying them spent it on someone with actual needs instead of always trying to fill their own sieve of affirmation?

By the way, it isn't exactly a distant leap in logic to apply the same argument to those of us who choose to have a classic Charger...or to anyone who possess any luxury items.  Flawed argument if you ask me.

[Brock Samson]

that's true and crossed my mind, yet having a $20K charger and another daily aint the same as having a 1.6 million play toy among what would undoubtably be a larger fleet of cars and Lord know what else... 
Thinking further i think that if i had that amount of unlimited spending power for toys I probably want a restored warbird like a P-51, - like that's ever gonna happen.. 

[Mr.Woolery]

This line of reasoning reminds me of my favorite Winston Churchill anecdote, an encounter with a female socialite at a party:

Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"
Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!"
Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price."

In this thread Bull is, in essence, just "haggling about the price".  If his reasoning were correct, we'd all be guilty of being potbellied insecure sweathogs--albeit cheaper ones.  


Please keep in mind that I'm not bringing this up to attack anyone (including Bull).  I'm just saying that if we point fingers at others, we're likely to set ourselves up to have fingers pointed at us.

[Blown70]

Mr. Woolery.

I happen to agree and understand.  DO I need 5 vehicles?  NO, no certainly, I dont.  But its a matter of fact that if I had 10 billion... I am sure I too would own a supercar, becasue I can, and I would assume, that I GOT the 10 billion honestly.  So then would it make it ok if I gave 2million a year to charities then?

Is that differnt if I make 100,000 and spend 15,000 on a 69 Charger?

BULL, no attack, on you either, hope you are not taking it that way.

[PocketThunder]

I think Bull is a big douchebag!!         

[bull]

I'm offended! I'm not big anymore.

Listen, I'm not trying to say everyone who buys these cars, likes these cars or wants these cars has issues. I'm just saying 1. That the Reventon doesn't look much different than an '85 Countach to me and 2. there are some really screwed up people out there who really do spend millions of dollars on cars, houses, boats, clothes, etc., that would be better spent on professional counseling, or on people who really need it.

As Mr. Woolery (Chuck?) stated, some would not think it's much of a leap between the purchase of a supercar and a classic muscle car, except maybe the $1.2 million price differential. But IMO there is a big difference between someone who buys a muscle car that needs restoration or someone who saves for years to be able to buy the $30,000 Charger he's wanted since high school and some guy who writes a check for $1.6 million so he can look good and get the attention he so desperately wants in front of his golf resort and yacht club. I guess I'm talking about motives.

And yet I do sometimes feel bad for being the guy who's spent $30k on a 68 Charger because that money could have helped more people in need, even some close friends. My wife and I have helped several people out when they've been in financial trouble by paying their missed rent or mortgage payments so they don't get in trouble but I still think I'd like to do more. If nothing else this project has showed me that I can save large amounts of money if I really want to and I really hope it gets over with soon so I can put more money to better use. I'm actually pretty tired of making the reproduction parts people richer, and I'm kind of tired of getting frustrated over stuff that really doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Here I am whining and getting pissed because my paint wasn't done right and my engine hasn't been rebuilt and meanwhile some other 42-year-old guy is crying in the hospital every day because he has a daughter with cancer. Where's the justice in that? Who knows, maybe the Charger itself will help people out somehow/someday and all this blood, sweat and tears will actually be a blessing to someone.

Anyway, sorry for the derailment. All I'm saying is that people should do a self-check once in a while to make sure their motives are relatively pure. Especially before they spend 30 times the average guy's annual salary on a car just so they can feel better about themselves.

[Blown70]

And may the guy just likes cars?  His money to play with.... and or help other if he chooses..... not everyone can be you bull.

[Mr.Woolery]

I can understand your position about motives, Bull, and that helps to clarify your position...

Perhaps it'd help if one were to look at the $1.6M purchase as a matter of scale instead.  A long time ago I had an acquaintance that happened to be a multi-billionaire.  I remember visiting his home and seeing his stuff, how he lived, etc.  One of the things that really hit home for me was how much his home was like mine, despite the astronomical price differentials of the material items we owned.  He had a garage full of "junk" just like I did, it was just more valuable stuff.  He also had several Ferrari's, Porsches, Mercedes, Rolls Royce's, etc. in his garage...at the time I knew him, he was driving a new Ferrari Testarossa as a beater car.  He was also somewhat of a slob (like myself) and he had stuff lying around/treated like just "stuff" that was *extremely* valuable.  For example:  in his room, he had pictures stacked against the wall like you or I would stack unhung posters.  I rifled through the stack out of curiousity....I spotted original works by Picasso and Van Gogh in the stack.  Seriously.

It's all just a matter of scale.  To someone who has this kind of money, $1.6M would have the comparitive monetary impact of you or I going out and buying a rusted out Geo Metro with bald tires and a blown head gasket.  It's not a matter of having a mindset of needing anyone's approval.  It's just a matter of buying the best that's available with very little (or no) regard for the monetary cost involved.

Funny thing is, that guy still owes me $10. 

[Troy]

You know what they say about assumptions...

My current boss happens to have a 6 car garage that's double stacked. Next to the Murcielago, Viper, and CTS-V is a 58 Corvette in pieces while he rebuilds the engine himself. He has a passion for cars and can afford whatever he wants with no regrets - or the need to explain himself.

Then there are people with money but no style who will buy whatever is the most outrageous. Hardly anyone with a "supercar" will ever test the limits of it - and when they do there will likely be a You Tube video of the crash. I think Bull has a Charger to overcompensate for his minivan.

I actually think that car (McLaren) looks a lot better than most of the exotics these days (Veyron, Enzo, that Bugatti).

Troy

[bull]

No, I replaced the minivan with a Durango like 3 years ago and they gave me my Man Card back at that time.

I agree, Mr. Woolery, it's all relative. That's why I'm trying to distinguish between those who just buy things because they can and those who buy things to compensate for some screwy psychosis they have because they got pulled off the nipple too early in life .

[Blown70]

No, I replaced the minivan with a Durango like 3 years ago and they gave me my Man Card back at that time.

I agree, Mr. Woolery, it's all relative. That's why I'm trying to distinguish between those who just buy things because they can and those who buy things to compensate for some screwy psychosis they have because they got pulled off the nipple too early in life .

Bull, I agree some people do thing for psychological reason.  However, some just like cars they are enthusiasts, connoisseurs, just like we are with the Chargers we own....Good job on the Durango.....

[Brock Samson]

 here's the latest Ferrari...




better start saving your aluminum cans..  

http://jalopnik.com/5356725/ferrari-458-italia-live-and-in-the-flesh/gallery?selectedImage=3

  and yur boss needs to trade in his old beater on theis 'er new one...



( only $1.75 million)

http://jalopnik.com/5356502/lamborghini-reventon-roadster-20-lucky-oil-sheiks-rejoice/gallery/

[beware the sleeper]

with all due respect to the opinions stated......<explative deleted> alllllllllll that

I had 30 dollars to my name today, and I took a buddy out to dinner, so now i have 17 dollars to my name.  I am just illustrating the type of guy I am about money, that being said, the second I can afford a charger, I am gonna buy one, and then I am gonna make that thing look and run brand new, and if anyone tries to guilt trip me about it, they suck my tail pipe, I earn my money, I spend it how the hell I want.  I was homeless before, I never begged, not once, I had to clean a kitchen for a place to sleep at night till I could find a job, real talk.  I mean helpin out people who physically cant support themselves, or mentally cant function is one thing, but charity has WAY too much fat that needs to be trimmed in all sectors, when I see money getting asked and then huge ass balls and dinners thrown to get more money......its <explative deleted> and wasteful.  So <explative deleted> organizations, <explative deleted> lazy <explative deleted> beggars, and <explative deleted> pandering to them.  If you work hard and restore your dream car, thats not something to feel bad about ever, notice you worked for it, the fact that other people dont work as hard as you isnt your burden, its theres, and giving them charity only keeps them weak, and honestly, when i do finally have a bad ass charger, I am just gonna sit in it, and rev it whenever "those people" try to say stuff and then take off in a blur of smoke and awesome.

again, just my opinion, but I have been there, so I feel I know what I am talking about.

edit: explatives deleted due to requests

[chargergirl]

oohmm, oohmm, oohmm...life is too short to carry so much anger. "That which does not kill us makes us stronger". (Don't know who said). A friend once told me that I developed my sense of humor because of the stressors I've been through in my life...probably. It's a car...it is simply a car...albeit a high end one and I would accept one if it was given to me. Would I buy one...no...when we win the lottery, tax on those bad a math, we will be buying a helo...flying would be more fun than the tickets I would get in something like that. No Autobahn here if we did have one that would be WAY different!

[Brock Samson]

 I remember several years athere was a guy here in the US who owned a huge stable of MOPAR muscle and if i recall correctly sold them all and went to some third world country to help the poor...

[aussiemuscle]

I had 30 dollars to my name today, and I took a buddy out to dinner, so now i have 17 dollars to my name. 
again, just my opinion, but I have been there, so I feel I know what I am talking about.

so you're saying it's hard to be rich AND generous 

as for the ot, the MP4-12C looks to take a few styling cues from the ferrari 430.

[Mike DC]

  

Most of the guys who can afford to buy those cars will rarely ever spend a day of their lives in a rural enough area to actually test it out.  


The whole concept of the exotic car is a bit of a James-Bond-ish anachronism these days.  Anyone with REAL money is using private planes & limos a lot more of the time anyway.
 

[FJ5WING]

just wondering why "BULL" has any reason to care what anyone elses motives are?

not your money.............not your possession!

[beware the sleeper]

hahaha, yeah, i guess that post did come off angry, wasnt angry at all though

was just talking plain, at 4am tho i forget to backspace out the <explative deleted> in my sentences though, haha.

I know i know, I try to cool it with the cursing but eh.

nah my point was, if i work for something, and then someone tries to tell me i shouldnt have it, my first gut reaction is to hit em in the nose, I wouldn't, but its that level of mind your own biz.

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[chargergirl]

hahaha, yeah, i guess that post did come off angry, wasnt angry at all though

was just talking plain, at 4am tho i forget to backspace out the <explative deleted> in my sentences though, haha.

I know i know, I try to cool it with the cursing but eh.

nah my point was, if i work for something, and then someone tries to tell me i shouldnt have it, my first gut reaction is to hit em in the nose, I wouldn't, but its that level of mind your own biz.

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Remember one thing...the F word is NOT a comma! My boys used to chuckle when I had to tell one of the new kids that. Something I find fun is to let the person who thinks I shouldn't have something tell me why. I end with, "I really appreciate your input however since it's not yours you shouldn't stress yourself about it. Didn't realize my welfare meant that much to you...thanks". (Really interested and kind voice). They stand there like a dear in the headlights since they were trying to get your goat and it got put back on them. Works every time. They are still trying to figure out whether they were insulted or complimented...while this is going on leave their space. Remember I had to deal with Mr. Mopar at Garlits...it was "Good thoughts" day.

[beware the sleeper]

hahaha, yeah, i guess that post did come off angry, wasnt angry at all though

was just talking plain, at 4am tho i forget to backspace out the <explative deleted> in my sentences though, haha.

I know i know, I try to cool it with the cursing but eh.

nah my point was, if i work for something, and then someone tries to tell me i shouldnt have it, my first gut reaction is to hit em in the nose, I wouldn't, but its that level of mind your own biz.

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Remember one thing...the F word is NOT a comma! My boys used to chuckle when I had to tell one of the new kids that. Something I find fun is to let the person who thinks I shouldn't have something tell me why. I end with, "I really appreciate your input however since it's not yours you shouldn't stress yourself about it. Didn't realize my welfare meant that much to you...thanks". (Really interested and kind voice). They stand there like a dear in the headlights since they were trying to get your goat and it got put back on them. Works every time. They are still trying to figure out whether they were insulted or complimented...while this is going on leave their space. Remember I had to deal with Mr. Mopar at Garlits...it was "Good thoughts" day.

ok, i got asked to censor my posts, i wasnt very happy about it, but i did it cause we are all tryna vibe and get along and what not, but i think you posting all passive agressive about me being expressive with something I fealt very emphatic is WAY MORE offensive and off putting than me dropping some f-bombs, because you are intentionally targeting me and being condescending as hell, which I dont appreciate at all.   and for the record, im not one of your boys, and i dont need some stupid down home stories about how you are right, cause you are wrong, censorship is wrong, and its retarded to think that anyone who can get to this site hasnt heard atleast ten thousand f-bombs before they ever got to mine, the f-bomb will out live us all, everyone but you seemed to adapt and live with it.  why dont you just drop it and walk away seeing as allready edited them, and i allready let one of your snarky ass comments pass before this in the same damn thread.

[chargergirl]

Thanks for your input I will take that under consideration.

[Blown70]

WOW and all I wanted to do was post a pic of the New Mclaren....

[beware the sleeper]

WOW and all I wanted to do was post a pic of the New Mclaren....

well i mean, you did

so......

[Brock Samson]

  once i posted pics of italian supercars - alot of ferraris and Alphas and a couple folks made disparaging remarks, that wasn't you was it?.. 

[Blown70]

  once i posted pics of italian supercars - alot of ferraris and Alphas and a couple folks made disparaging remarks, that wasn't you was it?.. 

Dont think so, I do somewhat like them,,, however, from 2005 to now, who knows what I have posted.....

[Arthu®]

As some of you know I happen to like these so called super cars so here is my opinion (like anybody cares haha)

The McLaren is probably very well built, but it doesn't really strike me as beautiful. The Reventon looks like a stealth plane and personally doesn't do anything for me, if I were into those looks I would be in the aircraft hobby. Now the Ferrari's are a bit troubling as in my opinion there hasn't really been a good looking Ferrari for quite some time. We all think they look good, because they are Ferrari's, but they really just aren't. In my opinion the late eighties (not the Testarossa) brought the last of the good looking Ferrari's but they were dogs most of the time with V6's... Besides who wants to own a Ferrari these days, their fan base is rather annoying and you would have impotent 40 year olds with a Ferrari polo, shoes and cap drooling over your car every second, while they can't even see it's not really that beautiful.

Now the Alfa Romeo 8C is just a fabulous car, it's so classically correct. Quite like the Ferrari Daytona (365) that you were talking about Brock. Timeless classics. Which in my opinion is what it should also be. A true super car is not just a performer, it should also be a looker. These days it so easy to make a car that goes a billion miles per hour and get's there in a tenth of a second that all practicality is lost and nobody is going to use that extra performance anyways. Not a lot of timeless classics are produced these days, only a couple come to mind, the Alfa Romeo 8C, the Aston Martin DB9 (no not the S), ok I can't even think of any other.

Arthur

how you are right, cause you are wrong, censorship is wrong

There is a difference between censorship and common decency. A person can be very well expressive without cursing.

[Mike DC]

 
I have the same problem with most Ferarris that I have with Corvettes - I think the cars themselves are cool, but I don't wanna join the subculture that has grown up around them.


I particularly agree that Ferarri has fallen behind on making true classics.  IMHO the beloved Testarossa has always been downright fugly.

The modern F50 isn't much better IMHO.  Perhaps it's a great car when you're behind the wheel (and I do appreciate that stopwatch numbers aren't the whole story for that), but from 15 feet away I've seen fiberglass kit-cars that look much better. 

I do think the F40 is a classic though.  The whole thing is pretty uncompromising as a vehicle, and that wins points with me.  I didn't like the way they looked when I first saw them 20 years ago but the styling grew on me.   (The 1990s Toyota Supra Turbo was severely ripped off the F40 in terms of styling, and I also think that car is a future classic in the making.)

 

[Arthu®]

 
I have the same problem with most Ferarris that I have with Corvettes - I think the cars themselves are cool, but I don't wanna join the subculture that has grown up around them.


I particularly agree that Ferarri has fallen behind on making true classics.  IMHO the beloved Testarossa has always been downright fugly.

The modern F50 isn't much better IMHO.  Perhaps it's a great car when you're behind the wheel (and I do appreciate that stopwatch numbers aren't the whole story for that), but from 15 feet away I've seen fiberglass kit-cars that look much better. 

I do think the F40 is a classic though.  The whole thing is pretty uncompromising as a vehicle, and that wins points with me.  I didn't like the way they looked when I first saw them 20 years ago but the styling grew on me.   (The 1990s Toyota Supra Turbo was severely ripped off the F40 in terms of styling, and I also think that car is a future classic in the making.)

 

I agree with you that the F40 is a classic nowadays and in my opinion doesn't look that bad. But my point was that it is not timeless, these designs were unappreciated for the last two decades. Unlike for example the Ferrari Daytona, Dino or even in my opinion the 328's. I fully agree with you on the Testarossa and F50...

[buie1289]

Seriously?

[Blown70]

Seriously?

That photo is in this thread why?

[Khyron]

it's a super car!


super P.O.S.

[beware the sleeper]

how you are right, cause you are wrong, censorship is wrong

There is a difference between censorship and common decency. A person can be very well expressive without cursing.

there definitely is, however decency is subjective, and I am a big fan of cursing to let off a little steam, it stops you from harboring those feelings and acting out in bigger ways.  Plus the post was in a completely open and honest format and those f bombs where openly and honestly what i was feeling, in that situation I didn't regard them as "indecent" at all.

you know what I think IS indecent, being judgemental and condescending........just saying, its called the first amendment, a <explative deleted>-load of soldier and really great men died in very horrible ways for the ideal that no one should be able to control how you express yourself, because they knew it was stifling and oppressive, so if I am wrong than like every founding father and everyone who followed them is wrong.   I will thank you all not to give me any more <explative deleted> over it, as I allready complied.  and yes I am making huge <explative deleted> tags to show how dumb this all is.

[Brock Samson]

   
  So, let me get this straight, because you let loose acouple "F-Bombs" your comparing yourself to the founding fathers?..

                       

[Ghoste]

I wonder if the reason it's nicknamed an F-bomb is because it's like setting off a large explosive in a conversation?

[beware the sleeper]

   
  So, let me get this straight, because you let loose acouple "F-Bombs" your comparing yourself to the founding fathers?..

                       

who compared them, im just saying stopping me and chastising me goes against everything they stood for, which is a fact. 

[Troy]

The fact is the Founding Fathers don't run this site. Many of our members don't curse like sailors on a regular basis and many check the site from work or around their families. Out of respect for others we ask members to "keep it clean". We don't use a word filter like other sites because it seems like overkill and I trust that our members can show some restraint. I know things slip once in a while and that's expected - but not tolerated. The language and attitudes of the members reflect the site as a whole.

Also, remember that everything you say on a public forum is recorded, indexed, and searchable for all time.

Troy

[moparstuart]

 I saw this DB9 friday on the way to monster mopar in st louis , it was just cruising down the hwy  

  from 179 k   i would consider that a super car         http://www.edmunds.com/astonmartin/db9/2009/index.html?mktcat=aston-martin-db9-buying&kw=aston+martin+db9+buy&mktid=ga17264073&gclid=CNqn0J_SmZ0CFZQM2godvg7oqw

[Rolling_Thunder]

I am a fan of the DBS myself...    they are making a V8 Vantage as well to go along with the V12 option - price around $120K ---  Astons are VERY nice cars - maybe not in the same performance area as say a Lambo - but classy cars that you can drive every day     

[Charger440RDN]

Super cars are nice but I would buy several HEMI first gen Chargers instead of spending that kind of money on one. Of course most people that buy super cars can afford 10 hemi chargers and several super cars too.