Computer geniuses

[charger_cody]

Need help bypassing the schools blocking. Is it possible?? Also i cant put my music from my ipod to the itunes. Any way to get it on this computer???

Any help possible.

Thanks in advance

Cody

[lisiecki1]

circumventing security provisions on a computer that doesn't belong to you is illegal....but, yes, it is possible, sorry, but I'm not going to tell you how.

[charger_cody]

Nope. Nothing I can do on this computer is illegal. Its all blocked. 

[bakerhillpins]

circumventing security provisions on a computer that doesn't belong to you is illegal....but, yes, it is possible, sorry, but I'm not going to tell you how.

You don't happen to know the statute that you are quoting do you? Or have a reference to it?  Seriously, not trying to be an .

If your talking about Inet filters most are circumvented through external proxies.

Can't help you on the iTunes issue, Ill just avoid 

Bryan

[lisiecki1]

it's called the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

[451-74Charger]

There are aplications to copy your ipod back to itunes (just search on ipod recovery)

As for Firewalls etc, dont try it. you will get into much trouble.

[bakerhillpins]

it's called the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

Er, are we talking about getting around content filters or copyright protections?

[lisiecki1]

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as Digital Rights Management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on October 12, 1998 by a unanimous vote in the U.S. Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended Title 17 of the United States Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of the providers of on-line services for copyright infringement by their users.

[Troy]

I think his first question is how to get around his school's Nanny software.

Troy

[bakerhillpins]

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)... It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. ....

Yes, I read that part, however I believe if you read further down they are still talking about reverse engineering cryptography with regard to DRM. The statement, as I understand it simply means that someone will get in trouble for simply breaking the DRM on some item, regardless of weather or not they infringe on copyright (hand it out for free). I don't believe the law criminalizes circumventing ANY access control.

[charger_cody]

Im not even copywriting. Im not stealing anything nor copying anything from the school. Therefore, (not illegal).

Just want around the stupid blocking everything.

I wanted to put my music on the compute and the nanny software wont let me import anything.

Cody

[jb666]

There are many ways.. First, though , is this on your system, or the school's system, that you're looking to "bypass" the nanny software??

First, for web browsing, you should be using a proxy.. Always safer while browsing on the school's network... 

[Troy]

First, for web browsing, you should be using a proxy.. Always safer while browsing on the school's network... 

Except for this site - I had to block most of the known proxy services to get rid of the spammers.

Troy

[jb666]

First, for web browsing, you should be using a proxy.. Always safer while browsing on the school's network... 

Except for this site - I had to block most of the known proxy services to get rid of the spammers.

Troy

Me too.. And it's still out of control. I'm running on PHPBB and I get AT LEAST 100 spam sign-ups per day.... I used to use www.hidemyass.com for a lot of stuff, but people are catching on to it.

[lisiecki1]

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)... It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. ....

Yes, I read that part, however I believe if you read further down they are still talking about reverse engineering cryptography with regard to DRM. The statement, as I understand it simply means that someone will get in trouble for simply breaking the DRM on some item, regardless of weather or not they infringe on copyright (hand it out for free). I don't believe the law criminalizes circumventing ANY access control.

I guess I read more into it....either way, the school puts those controls in place for a reason....what is he trying to accomplish when he should be doing school-related things at school?  Wow....I sound like my parents...hahahahah.....If it's just about music, get an ipod.  I'm sure the school doesn't want your music on there computers.

[charger_cody]

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)... It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. ....

Yes, I read that part, however I believe if you read further down they are still talking about reverse engineering cryptography with regard to DRM. The statement, as I understand it simply means that someone will get in trouble for simply breaking the DRM on some item, regardless of weather or not they infringe on copyright (hand it out for free). I don't believe the law criminalizes circumventing ANY access control.

I guess I read more into it....either way, the school puts those controls in place for a reason....what is he trying to accomplish when he should be doing school-related things at school?  Wow....I sound like my parents...hahahahah.....If it's just about music, get an ipod.  I'm sure the school doesn't want your music on there computers.

The reason im trying to get behind it is because im to smart for this class. Takes me 10/55 minutes to do my assignments. haha.

Cody

[lisiecki1]

take the other 45 minutes and start learning how to hack 

[charger_cody]

Thats a good plan
haha



Cody

[defiance]

Actually, I believe the provision being discussed has been applied very broadly by the courts.  It's the underpinning for most "hacking" prosecutions, in which individuals are prosecuted for circumventing security systems of private enterprises (which, involves no DRM or cryptography).  While I'm sure we all agree that the request here sounds much less malicious than hacking into a business network, and if he gets caught he's extremely unlikely to be prosecuted, more likely suspended - (although I personally know a guy who was expelled for breaking a school computer password to change the scrolling text screen saver to a band name.  seriously.) - but I believe based on the interpretation of the courts, it would techincally be illegal. 

Good luck finding anyone to prosecute it, though

[defiance]

Nevermind, you're right - 1030 is federal hacking, dmca only applies to copyright.  Looking through 1030, it's actually framed pretty well to require some form of harm.

[beware the sleeper]

but who is pressing federal charges on a kid looking at charger pictures in a math class? I am thinking like detention, maybe suspension if it was adult material being looked at.

yeah either find a proxy or stop it in the shell script before it loads up, but for the record you SHOULD be studying and like focusing on building a future and stuff.

[DukesofHoward]

Quote - "The reason im trying to get behind it is because im to smart for this class. Takes me 10/55 minutes to do my assignments. haha. Cody"

So Cody. Maybe you should spend the other 45 minutes working on punctuation, spelling and grammar.

My son was also "too smart" for his classes and ended up suspended and/or expelled from every high school in the district (including AI) for diddling with the computer systems. He even created a program to capture the security admin's password.

He was caught each time by someone that was "too" smarter than him.

There is nothing new under the sun, son. You should just leave well enough alone.

Dave

[charger_cody]

I just think its all overdone, I mean think about it, seniors in highschool are practically adults right? I mean ya i understand that if they are looking at pornography but what about myspace? Or dodgecharger.com? Or any other harmless website.

Cody

[bakerhillpins]

I just think its all overdone, I mean think about it, seniors in highschool are practically adults right? I mean ya i understand that if they are looking at pornography but what about myspace? Or dodgecharger.com? Or any other harmless website.

Cody

I hear you loud and clear... problem is that its not the good apples that ruin it for everyone else. Ever wonder why hunting has such a bad rap? Sheesh, the crap that some guys pull gives em all a bad name. No different in this case.

[DukesofHoward]

I just think its all overdone, I mean think about it, seniors in highschool are practically adults right? I mean ya i understand that if they are looking at pornography but what about myspace? Or dodgecharger.com? Or any other harmless website.

Cody

I hear you loud and clear... problem is that its not the good apples that ruin it for everyone else. Ever wonder why hunting has such a bad rap? Sheesh, the crap that some guys pull gives em all a bad name. No different in this case.

While age may make a person an adult legally, it does not make one an adult psychologically. One of the hallmarks of adulthood is being able to consider the possible consequences of his or her actions and then making a sound decision based on that consideration.

If you figure out a way behind the firewall/security system and get caught - what then? It is possible that you may serve a short suspension. It is also possible that you will removed from any and all classes that require the use of a school computer. What would that do to your graduation plan? There is also a possibility that you could be charged with a crime. That could have a far-reaching effect.

This kind of stuff tends to follow you through life and can reappear, with adverse effect, just when you can least afford it.

[451-74Charger]

You would be suprised how many "innocent" sites harbour malicious code.
Myspace ought to be renamed myVirus
even pictures can contain malicious code.
Heck my friend wrote a script that resided in a JPG file that told him who was using his images online.
So the school is trying to protect themselves. Just think if you lost all your coursework because some "too Smart" kid went around the security measures to download an mp3 or picture, only to find it had a trojan?
Wouldnt you be a little upset at them?
Leave well alone, and if you really must browse get a darn iPhone or WM device

[Forza]

I just think its all overdone, I mean think about it, seniors in highschool are practically adults right? I mean ya i understand that if they are looking at pornography but what about myspace? Or dodgecharger.com? Or any other harmless website.

Cody

Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't own the computer, they do. Schools have a pretty tight budget as it is. They use this software to protect their computers from bored kids that will inevitably go wander around stupid sites and clog the system with spyware, malware, viruses, and rootkits. Most schools have at least a couple hundred desktops/laptops connected to their networks. How pissed would you be if you were the network admin and some kid bypassed the network and unintentionally (or intentionally) caused a trojan to infect the whole network?

What I'm trying to say is, you're just going to have to suffer like everyone else and check your sites when you get home. Or if you are actually too smart for the class, start getting ahead in another class or take a nap and dream of boobs.

[Khyron]

I just think its all overdone, I mean think about it, seniors in highschool are practically adults right? I mean ya i understand that if they are looking at pornography but what about myspace? Or dodgecharger.com? Or any other harmless website.

Cody

people may not want to be an ass, but I will. It's not up to you so decide what is overdone or dumb, it is also not up to you to try to get rid of safety measures put into place to protect other students and the schools... not yours... but the SCHOOLS computers.

They don't allow other media because other media... this includes your Ipod can carry virus's that will tear through their network costing them money. The Inet measures are to ensure that they don't get sued if you happen to stumble on a site you shouldn't be in and some parrent walking in see's you looking at a set of hooters... If your too smart for your call. Use the time to study on other classes you may not be too smart in 

The reason I'm being a jerk in my wife is a high school teacher and has to deal with this all the time. The people hired to setup that schools network are smarter then you. You will get caught because the traffic is being monitors. Proxie websites that anyone will give you are most likely also known by the people who take care of your schools network.... do yourself a favor and use school to learn. Not to play.

[chargergirl]

Thats a good plan
haha



Cody

Bring your own computer...laptop to school and you won't have that problem. All universities have their own wireless access. Computer controls are put there for their hardwares protection. Can you imagine a universal crash on a universities computer system. All the information, private, that could be hacked and/or destroyed is amazing. So buy a laptop and do as you wish...just make sure you do your work first...the mom.