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68 VIN does not match body/rad support stampings- Why?

Started by mopar_nut_440_6, August 20, 2009, 11:18:06 AM

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mopar_nut_440_6

Hello,

I was looking at the stampings on the body of my 68 RT and the broadcast sheet. I was under the assumption that the the 6 digits of the VIN were stamped into the body but in my case the number, B8XA08557,  appears to be a mixture of several things and is stamped on the rad support and the LH trunk lip.

B = Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI (Plant)
8 = Year 69
X = 66-70 Charger
A08557 = Shipping Order (Confirmed on the broadcast sheet)

My dash is packaged and in storage so I cannot confirm the VIN on it but I assume that the broadcast sheet contains all of the info to determine the VIN. I am in the process of getting the registration from my buddy who the car is still registered too. (Good friend, no worries!) We were trying to determine the VIN so he could get a reprint of the registration made to complete the transfer.

Is the sequential number on the broadcast sheet the last 6 digits of the VIN on a 68 as when I read the row of number in front of it on the sheet it goes like this:

X
S
29
L
8
B
261XXX1

Any help would be greatly appreciated as for some reason I do not think the sequential number was correct for the VIN but it has been quite a few years since I originally decoded it. This was also a factory ordered for Canada car.

Here is how the fender tag reads:

Row 1    a b u w
         5 4 1 6

Row 2    a d h n r t x y
         1 9 1 8 0 7 1 6

Row 3    2 3 7 ax trm pnt ubs
         5 0 8 68 C6X SS1 B

Row 4    XS29 83 3 44 116 A08557


Cheers,
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

Dans 68

1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

mopar_nut_440_6

Quote from: Dans 68 on August 20, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
Look here for your answers. http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38316.msg421782.html#msg421782.  :2thumbs:

Dan

Thanks Dan,

So can I assume that the A08557 off of the fender tag and broadcast sheet is poart of the serial number? If so then the A must be replaced with a numeric? Perhaps a 0 to be 008557?

This sucks. I may have to dig out my dash after all!

Thanks again,
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

Dans 68

The fender tag S.O. number (tag number) should have 6 numbers, and not a combination of letters and numbers. See http://www.jimshine.com/tag%20info/123456.htm as an example. That "A" in the S.O. number needs to be a number. If the broadcast sheet and fender tag both agree that it is a letter then it is a new one on me. Can you post a pic of both? Or email if you prefer. Thanks!  :cheers:

Dan

1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

mopar_nut_440_6

Thanks Dan, I will email you a copy of the broadcast sheet but I do not have a picture of the body stamps or fender tag but be assured that the info I provided in the first post is correct.

The body stampings are all:  B8XA08557
The fender tag is marked:    Row 4    XS29 83 3 44 116 A08557
The broadcast sheet says:   A08557

I was also expecting a number which makes this different. I am wondering if it has to do with being a factory ordered Canada car? Just a guess!

1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

Dans 68

That is interesting! The car is a January 16th 1968 build, so it is right in the middle of production; I don't know why the S.O. would start with a letter. The bottom line is that your car body has the correct stampings in accordance with the fender tag. I look forward to your email.

Dan
1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

hemigeno

In '69, the Canadian cars' S.O. numbers (or at least non-special production run cars) began with "B", so seeing an "A" on a 1968 car isn't so odd in my book.  If that's what the S.O. number is on the fender tag and Broadcast Sheet, that's what should be on the yoke/support.

:Twocents:

Dans 68

Quote from: hemigeno on August 20, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
In '69, the Canadian cars' S.O. numbers (or at least non-special production run cars) began with "B", so seeing an "A" on a 1968 car isn't so odd in my book.  If that's what the S.O. number is on the fender tag and Broadcast Sheet, that's what should be on the yoke/support.

:Twocents:

Interesting fact! Is there any documentation that the '68's made for Canada had the letter "A" in the S.O.? I mean, except for James R/T?  :scratchchin: this is the first I'd heard of it (sometimes it seems I don't know much at all...). :P

Dan
1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

mopar_nut_440_6

Quote from: Dans 68 on August 20, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on August 20, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
In '69, the Canadian cars' S.O. numbers (or at least non-special production run cars) began with "B", so seeing an "A" on a 1968 car isn't so odd in my book.  If that's what the S.O. number is on the fender tag and Broadcast Sheet, that's what should be on the yoke/support.

:Twocents:

Interesting fact! Is there any documentation that the '68's made for Canada had the letter "A" in the S.O.? I mean, except for James R/T?  :scratchchin: this is the first I'd heard of it (sometimes it seems I don't know much at all...). :P

Dan

I agree! I feel so dumb these days!
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

UFO

I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Dans 68

1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

UFO

Three, Also have sheet for 68 coronet 4dr sedan "A" s.o. number.

quapman

It's a VIN (Vehicle ID #) -vs- VON (Vehicle order #) thing.

Prior to 1970 (or is it 69?) the VON was stamped on the body, later it was the VIN.

I'm not familiar with the additional X or A, but I'm certainly no expert on 68's.

69CoronetRT



Cars sold in Canada and export cars are identified by the letter at the begining of the 68 VON.

A= Canada

:Twocents:
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

hemi-hampton

I've seen many cars that had a Letter first in it's VON. All the Exports cars seem to have a E I assume for Export if I remember right. I've seen many different letters & as far as I know nobody, not even Galen can explain what all these different Letters mean. :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.

A383Wing

Quote from: UFO on August 20, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Is this the reason all the Canadians say "EH"?? (A)

69bronzeT5

Quote from: A383Wing on August 20, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: UFO on August 20, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Is this the reason all the Canadians say "EH"?? (A)

I don't know what you're talking about eh. :icon_smile_big:
Feature Editor for Mopar Connection Magazine
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/



1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

Dans 68

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on August 20, 2009, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: A383Wing on August 20, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: UFO on August 20, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Is this the reason all the Canadians say "EH"?? (A)

I don't know what you're talking about eh. :icon_smile_big:

Well, Vancouver Island is not really Canada.... :D

jk, Cody.  ;)


Dan
1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

mopar_nut_440_6

Thanks everybody for the update! Eh!!  :popcrn:

I ended up digging out my dash and the sequence number on my broadcast sheet is in fact the last 6 digits of my VIN.

Cheers,
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

A383Wing

Quote from: Dans 68 on August 20, 2009, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on August 20, 2009, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: A383Wing on August 20, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: UFO on August 20, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Is this the reason all the Canadians say "EH"?? (A)

I don't know what you're talking about eh. :icon_smile_big:

Well, Vancouver Island is not really Canada.... :D

jk, Cody.  ;)


Dan


:rofl:

69bronzeT5

Quote from: Dans 68 on August 20, 2009, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on August 20, 2009, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: A383Wing on August 20, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: UFO on August 20, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
I have a b/cast sheet for a 68 charger(CDN order) that s.o. starts with a "A".
Build date is B21.

Is this the reason all the Canadians say "EH"?? (A)

I don't know what you're talking about eh. :icon_smile_big:

Well, Vancouver Island is not really Canada.... :D

jk, Cody.  ;)


Dan

:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

Guess that means I'm not a Canadian citizen until next week! ;)
Feature Editor for Mopar Connection Magazine
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/



1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

quapman

Wow, not even GayLen can figure it out. And he's an expert.
(Apply a HUGE dose of sarcasm to above statement)

71_deputy

reading along here I checked my 68 Coronet 550 Vert-  build 29 June/68
SO     A44850

figured it was a Canadian car all it's life!
1971 Deputy Challenger 383 4bbl-- 1 of 2 made!!
1967 Charger 440/auto
1973 Road Runner 340/4 speed
2000 1500 Ram Van

A383Wing

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on August 20, 2009, 11:34:09 PM


Guess that means I'm not a Canadian citizen until next week! ;)

Why? does the wall come down then?  :nana:

mopar_nut_440_6

I just checked my 70 V code Roadrunner and it is a C so also Canada car for 70.

So my Charger is 68 and A
There was a 69  which was B
70 which is C

Cool to figure these out!
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude