I need to "vent" about tires for a few minutes

[dukeboy_01]

I bought a brand new 2006 Dodge Hemi Ram 1/2 ton quad cab in March of 2006.  It came factory with 20" Goodyears...I now have 30,031 miles on that truck.  I just made a trip from SW Missouri to El Paso, TX a few weeks ago to pick up my 71 Charger from the paintshop and had no trouble other than the EGR valve sticking and the dealer in El Paso replaced that the same day for a mere $80...   Anyhow, I pulled my ol' man's pontoon to the lake a couple weekends ago and developed a horrible vibration in the rearend.  I thought I lost a weight off of the right rear, because I ran my hand over the tire and didn't feel a blister...well my problem must have been at the bottom when I checked it.  I just took my truck into the local tire shop to get a balance job done and one of the guys told me a need a tire.  I thought surely these Goodyears aren't shot at 30,000...well I had a 2"x4" section of steel belts hanging out and a good size blister forming on the tread.  I didn't want to replace the full set since the other 3 looked good.  They happened to have a used Goodyear that matched my others for $40, but it kinda  pissed me off that those tires weren't any better than that.  My work truck had Bridgestones on it and I got almost 60,000 out of them and they still had a little life left when I took those off.  Just thought I would share my experience and you can bet Goodyears won't be my next set on anything I own!!!

[62dodge]

My brother's new car had a blow out heading home from the dealer. The car only had 50 miles on it both goodyear and the dealer wouldn't warrentee the tire. So he replaced all the tires with a different brand. 

[dukeboy_01]

I thought about going by the dealer to see if they would stand behind the tires, but I figured I would be pissing in the wind...if the "best" warranty (that I supposedly have) won't cover an EGR valve it sure as hell won't cover I tire, at least that was my thoughts...I know it don't cost anything to ask, but the guys at the tire shop didn't think they would cover it either.  Sometimes it is just like 

[dukeboy_01]

I guess while I am "venting", has anyone else had problems with their new dodge truck wheels being made of plastic?  I don't know how I did it, but I did...I broke a chunk out of the chromed plastic these cheap pieces of .... are made of.  I can buy another one for $400, but I am thinking aftermarket wheels...  When I bought the truck, I thought they were polished aluminum wheels (I've been told the 03-05's were) I was pretty sad and angry when I realized the nicest set of wheels I've ever owned were made from junk!   (I feel better now, at least a little)

[Old Moparz]

I bought my 2004 Dodge Ram new & it originally came with a set of 17" Michelin tires. I rotated them twice at 6K or 7K mile intervals, then noticed some time after the second rotation that they were wearing out FAST. I didn't even bother to rotate them the third time, & said the hell with it & started tire shopping. I got less than 26,000 miles out of that set, didn't go off road, & checked the pressure regularly. For my own personal satisfaction, I refused to buy another set of Michelins & bought a set of Wranglers.

My guess is that the car manufacturers buy up the cheapest tire they can in volume no matter what the brand is, then send you out the door with the separate warranty for the tires washing their hands of it.  

[bull]

The stock Goodyears they put on new vehicles are junk. They're just a cheapo mass-produced tire to hold air and keep the car/truck off the ground. Look up the reviews for Goodyear Wrangler RTS on tirerack.com sometime and you'll see what I mean.

[694spdRT]

I have 38K miles on my 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee with Goodyear SRA 245/65/17's and they are just about shot. I rotated them 3 times and they have wore evenly but they are at the wearbars. The dealer said not to bother doing it again as they need replacing. At $200 a tire they will not be my next choice. I have not decided what to go with yet.

I heard at the local Chevy dealer that the Envoy's and Trailblazer 4wd's are not getting much over 25K miles on whatever they came with so I should feel lucky.

We did get 50K out of the original tires on our 03 Ram 1500 2wd. I think those were Michelin's but it has been a while since those were replaced.

[68charger383]

The stock Goodyears they put on new vehicles are junk. They're just a cheapo mass-produced tire to hold air and keep the car/truck off the ground. Look up the reviews for Goodyear Wrangler RTS on tirerack.com sometime and you'll see what I mean.

Every car I've ever bought with Goodyear's on them by 15K the traction and grab to the road was pretty much gone and they were pretty much spent by 25K.

[myk]

I researched for months and decided that the medium-range priced Falken Z-rated tires would be the ideal replacement for my '99 T/A and had them installed.  12,000 miles later they're down to the wear/replace meter.  Now I don't drag, auto-X, drive fast, Tokyo-drift, fight Decepticons or anything else, but I'm told this is the 'norm for most tires these days, especially Z-rated ones. 

We so need to get in to the tire business.  Everyone needs 'em and it doesn't matter if they're worn before you realize it because we'll buy them anyway...

[Martian R/T]

I had goodyears on both of my Dodge Trucks, my 1500 didn't do to bad on them got about 30k per set, my 2500 V10 chewed them up, I tried AT's RTS & GSA's they were all junk, 15-20k max the best investment ever was a set of Michelin's they wore like iron 60k and they were still fine when I sold the truck, the price for them is scary but the were the best tires I have ever run, if and when I get another truck I will go back to the Michelin's for sure.

[472 R/T SE]

We had the 17" wheels on our new truck too but I switched them over to the 20" knowing they were plastic.  5 years ago it was $1200 for the set with decent tires.  Last summer I put new Pirelli Scorpion ATR's on.  Good lookin' tire but rough ride.  The Goodyears were just too much money.

All my other rigs have Goodyear.  Years ago the rain tire Aquatred was all the rage.  Suppose to be a 70k mile tire but I only got half that.  The tire dealership credited me for a different set.

That was the only tire I had problems with.

I put a set of Goodyear Assurance on my 300M & put 10-15k miles on them with little to NO wear.  Last winter when we had all that snow it was my 300M toting my wife's ass to work every day.  It was pretty telling at the end of our block other front wheel drive & two wheel drive pick ups couldn't make it up the hill.

I know there's a lot of folks that rag on the Goodyears, but if I can afford them that's all that will go on our rigs'.  I imagine it's the customer service I receive at the tire shop as well.

[bull]

There are some excellent Goodyear tires out there, they just don't usually put them on new cars.

[Silver R/T]

I bought a brand new 2006 Dodge Hemi Ram 1/2 ton quad cab in March of 2006.  It came factory with 20" Goodyears...I now have 30,031 miles on that truck.  I just made a trip from SW Missouri to El Paso, TX a few weeks ago to pick up my 71 Charger from the paintshop and had no trouble other than the EGR valve sticking and the dealer in El Paso replaced that the same day for a mere $80...   Anyhow, I pulled my ol' man's pontoon to the lake a couple weekends ago and developed a horrible vibration in the rearend.  I thought I lost a weight off of the right rear, because I ran my hand over the tire and didn't feel a blister...well my problem must have been at the bottom when I checked it.  I just took my truck into the local tire shop to get a balance job done and one of the guys told me a need a tire.  I thought surely these Goodyears aren't shot at 30,000...well I had a 2"x4" section of steel belts hanging out and a good size blister forming on the tread.  I didn't want to replace the full set since the other 3 looked good.  They happened to have a used Goodyear that matched my others for $40, but it kinda  pissed me off that those tires weren't any better than that.  My work truck had Bridgestones on it and I got almost 60,000 out of them and they still had a little life left when I took those off.  Just thought I would share my experience and you can bet Goodyears won't be my next set on anything I own!!!

I havent used Goodyear but havent heard anything good about them. Bridgestone on the other hand is best tire Ive used on my cars so far

[Silver R/T]

I bought my 2004 Dodge Ram new & it originally came with a set of 17" Michelin tires. I rotated them twice at 6K or 7K mile intervals, then noticed some time after the second rotation that they were wearing out FAST. I didn't even bother to rotate them the third time, & said the hell with it & started tire shopping. I got less than 26,000 miles out of that set, didn't go off road, & checked the pressure regularly. For my own personal satisfaction, I refused to buy another set of Michelins & bought a set of Wranglers.

My guess is that the car manufacturers buy up the cheapest tire they can in volume no matter what the brand is, then send you out the door with the separate warranty for the tires washing their hands of it. 

I wouldnt bother with Michelins, worst tire IMO. Got some Pathfinders on my truck, one of best A/T you can put on your truck

[hemi-hampton]

A few years back there was a big problem with new Goodyears prematurely blowing out on new cars. I think there was a recall. Investigators found goodyear was bought out or recent changes were made which included hiring all new people with zero experiance so they could pay them cheap & take short cuts making the tires to save money. Right when these changes were made is when quality went downhill & problems arose. Nobody remembers this? There was a guy that invented a 100,000 tire. A lynch mob chased him out of town. None of the other tire companies want a 100,000 mile tire. They all want them to wear out so you can keep buying them & they can keep making money. The sooner they were out the more money they make. Not Rocket Science. LEON.

[Mike DC]

    
I recently bought a set of Michelins for my daily sedan that are warranteed for 90,000 miles.  I don't actually expect 90K but they should be good for a while.  They were right there on display with the other brands.  They only cost maybe $100-150 more (whole set) than the other choices I had.

But do we even demand this on OE tires?  I don't think we usually do, as a buying public in general.  



The OEMs compete for better handling reports in the magazine press --->  softer rubber compounds on the OE tires --->  tires worn to sh*t before the first oil change.  

[Troy]

A few years back there was a big problem with new Goodyears prematurely blowing out on new cars. I think there was a recall. Investigators found goodyear was bought out or recent changes were made which included hiring all new people with zero experiance so they could pay them cheap & take short cuts making the tires to save money. Right when these changes were made is when quality went downhill & problems arose. Nobody remembers this? There was a guy that invented a 100,000 tire. A lynch mob chased him out of town. None of the other tire companies want a 100,000 mile tire. They all want them to wear out so you can keep buying them & they can keep making money. The sooner they were out the more money they make. Not Rocket Science. LEON.

I thought it was Firestone that had the massive recall?

Troy

[Mike DC]

 
Yeah that was Firestone.  (which is also Bridgestone BTW)


Ford Explorers didn't handle well enough for the govt's liking.  So Ford slapped them with stock tire inflation recommendations that were too low for the sake of improving grip a little. 

Then the combination of too-low tires + hot weather + overloaded Explorers = chronically overstressed tires.  But Ford was selling so many Explorers so fast that Firestone had gotten too sloppy about making the OE tires, and they started failing at speed. 

[Rolling_Thunder]

I dont understand why the goodyears wear so fast...   they to my knowledge are not a block type tread like most offroading style tires...   My Tacoma (I know Toyota = evil around here) Came with BFG tires from the factory and they lasted the previous owner to roughly 48,000 - I purchased the truck at 84,000 and the 2nd set I replaced at 91,000 with about 20% tread left - but I had the money and was going to AZ....    I ended up going with an off brand tire from Big-O tires and they have held up very well for the 13,000 I have put on my truck in the last 6 months...       

Seems that some tire companies just dont have their sh!t together

[myk]

None of the other tire companies want a 100,000 mile tire. They all want them to wear out so you can keep buying them & they can keep making money. The sooner they were out the more money they make. Not Rocket Science. LEON.

Seriously.  I say that tire technology will improve, but durability will only get worse as time goes on...

[hemi-hampton]

Maybe it was Firestone, Can't remember. I do remember the Plant was in Akron Ohio. I think   LEON.

[Landonsrt]

Its not the tire manufacturer, its not the tire. In most cases, and I can speak from years of experience of selling tires and telling customers general problems. Its lack of maintenance, proper air pressure that contributes to the fastest tire wear. There are situations where you come across bad tires. Most of the time its causes severe vibrations due to the fact it will never balance out.
If you have very fast tire wear, your not rotating them every 6k miles. or your alignment is out. I have an 07 Z71 4wd silverado with over 30k on it now with Goodyears, wearing just fine. I keep my tires rotated every other oil change and I have my alignment checked. If your tires are showing chords on the front, its an alignment issue. If its doing it on the back, Its because they were on the front too long with the same problem. If they are chopping real bad on the inside, front or rear (which all fullsize trucks do) its because of maintenance.
Tires will say they have 60,000 mile tread life. Keep in mind this is just a selling gimmick. Not always a fact. The customer is the contributing factor of how long they will last.
My 00 R/T Dakota would tear through tires every year, Goodyears, Kumho, Toyo, Bfgoodrich, I tried them all and tore them all to pieces. (mostly my fault)
My wifes 03 extended trailblazer had Bfg Rugged Trails, most trialblazers came with these. Lasted almost 70K.
I prefer BfGoodrich over most anything. I dont have a lot of love for Goodyear, but they are good tires if maintained.

I'm not pointing fingers and saying its all your fault. Bad tires do happen. But since you have 30,000 miles on the truck and its showing chords, chances are whoever is servicing your truck didnt point it out for you before hand. It takes several thousand miles to wear a tire like that. Unless you have a severe alignment issue. Or unless you hit something in the road. But you can always tell the difference. If they are worn smooth to the point with chords showing, its been that way for sometime. If the tire has chunks missing, you hit something.

[Landonsrt]

Oh and by the way, its not the auto dealerships responsibility to warranty tires, not many will past the first thousand miles or so. They never will. If you purchased a vehicle new and you have a blowout. The only people who will cover it is the tire manufacturer, which means you would have to take it to the specific store, ie goodyear, firestone. Or the sales managers will usually do something for the customers who just purchased a new car. Most of the time they steal tires from another car.

[dkn1997]

Goodyears are the worst tires out there.  I have had many sets of tires in my life and never bought goodyear.  however, I like GM for my daily drivers and the last 2 came with goodyears on them.  Junk!  barely got 30K out of each set. Every other tire I buy lasts almost twice as long.