The Cash for Clunkers carnage begins.....

[69bronzeT5]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A

[BB1]

4 mins of nothing much to see but a smoking Jeep. 

[moparstuart]

  we get these cars from the dealers


what dealers are required by law to do before we pick up the car is


  The dealer must drain the oil and add approx  2 quarts of sodium silicate to the vehicle and then run the engine until it seizes up. This must be done and certified by the dealer before the approved recyclers can pick it up .

[Brock Samson]

a recent local TV news story on the subject showed that of 30 "Clunkers" turned in, 15 were ten yr. old FORD SUVs and vans, the rest were split between GM and Mopars...

[moparstuart]

we bought a 2000 windstar ,  98 silverado , 94 ciera , 92 buick park ave   just yesterday

[mopar0166]

 we get these cars from the dealers


what dealers are required by law to do before we pick up the car is


  The dealer must drain the oil and add approx  2 quarts of sodium silicate to the vehicle and then run the engine until it seizes up. This must be done and certified by the dealer before the approved recyclers can pick it up .

Seems like such a waste, but i guess its better for the environment.   

[histoy]

moparstuart.... isn't a 2000 Windstar worth more than $3500 - $4500?   If so, do the dealers offer more of a trade-n than the government's allowance?

[moparstuart]

moparstuart.... isn't a 2000 Windstar worth more than $3500 - $4500?   If so, do the dealers offer more of a trade-n than the government's allowance?

this one had 215 k on it so no it was all used up .  Now the real question is it worth more that the $50.00 I payed for it . Hell yes even with the blown up motor I will make a killing on the vehicle .

[694spdRT]

My guess is that was a 4.0L in that Jeep. Pretty tough little motors.

[moparstuart]

My guess is that was a 4.0L in that Jeep. Pretty tough little motors.

I agree the 4.7 would never have lasted that long . Those 4.0 are almost as bullet proof as the old 225's

[Tilar]

There are going to be a lot of people surprised that their car will no longer qualify for this... Some dealers too.

car shoppers find that the fuel economy for their old cars has suddenly improved - making them ineligible for Cash for Clunkers

[moparstuart]

There are going to be a lot of people surprised that their car will no longer qualify for this... Some dealers too.

car shoppers find that the fuel economy for their old cars has suddenly improved - making them ineligible for Cash for Clunkers

LOL  i would like to see them try to back out of deals after they have locked up the motor on the trade in  

[BB1]

EPA already changed the rules. 

[694spdRT]

There are going to be a lot of people surprised that their car will no longer qualify for this... Some dealers too.

car shoppers find that the fuel economy for their old cars has suddenly improved - making them ineligible for Cash for Clunkers

I noticed that my dad's 1994 Cadillac with the 4.9V8 was actually lowered to 17mpg from 18mpg in the last few days. It would qualify either way but it does help get to $4500 easier. The 4.6 Northstar stayed at 18mpg though. With 140,000 miles and a prior salvage title it may be going for a new Patriot.

[Cooperman]

So how is all that smoke better for the environment? 

[Tilar]

It's not about the environment. It's about killing older cars so people will buy newer ones and helping the mafia...er I mean the union.

Check out these little tidbits from the new healthcare reform bills...

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

The list is endless... and I still say it has nothing to do with the environment. Ok, I'll get off my  now. 

[Silver R/T]

I just heard on news that mafia (government) is planning on suspending "clunkers" program.

[moparstuart]

I just heard on news that mafia (government) is planning on suspending "clunkers" program.

yeah they just figured out they cant afford to pay all those dealers 4500 a car

[Finn]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-Govt-to-suspend-apf-3529110957.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

[Silver R/T]

I just heard on news that mafia (government) is planning on suspending "clunkers" program.

yeah they just figured out they cant afford to pay all those dealers 4500 a car

I don't think it's that. And they don't pay everyone $4500. There are so many criterias to fullfill to qualify for that $4500. You're not getting a "great deal" It's a giant government scam.

[Tilar]

It's such a waste.

[Troy]

I just heard on the news that the program is out of money already (1 billion dollars). I guess there is an appeal to Congress to allocate more cash before they go on their month long break or it's done for.

Troy

[moparstuart]

I just heard on the news that the program is out of money already (1 billion dollars). I guess there is an appeal to Congress to allocate more cash before they go on their month long break or it's done for.

Troy

Even though  my buisness is really going to benefit from getting these cars.  I cant believe with the way the BIG 3 are hurting why didnt they limit this program to Ford , chrysler and GM.  Some of the import lots around here are calling me with 50 or more cars sitting there they want me to bid on . All the billion dollars is gone and could have benefited the Big 3 only .      just my opinion    I can see them letting you trade any make in but they should have made them only be able to trade for a Big three new model .

[Troy]

I just heard on the news that the program is out of money already (1 billion dollars). I guess there is an appeal to Congress to allocate more cash before they go on their month long break or it's done for.

Troy

Even though  my buisness is really going to benefit from getting these cars.  I cant believe with the way the BIG 3 are hurting why didnt they limit this program to Ford , chrysler and GM.  Some of the import lots around here are calling me with 50 or more cars sitting there they want me to bid on . All the billion dollars is gone and could have benefited the Big 3 only .      just my opinion    I can see them letting you trade any make in but they should have made them only be able to trade for a Big three new model .

One of the primary goals of the program is to stimulate the economy. It doesn't matter where the money is spent as long as people are spending money. Yeah, it'd be nice to accomplish a few secondary goals - like aiding American companies - but not if it interferes with the primary objective. From the site:
"The CAR Allowance Rebate System (CARS) is a $1 billion government program that helps consumers buy or lease a more environmentally-friendly vehicle from a participating dealer when
they trade in a less fuel-efficient car or truck. The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways."
http://www.cars.gov/

Troy

[moparstuart]

It worked they spent all the money in less then a month . 

[Tilar]

It worked they spent all the money in less then a month . 

Spending money is about all this administration seems to be good at.

[694spdRT]

It worked they spent all the money in less then a month .  

More like a week.

Some are saying they won't approve more money unless the MPG's are raised on the new vehicles purchased. I had checked earlier this week and all the Patriots, Compasses, Calibers, etc. were being bought up left and right already.

[Troy]

4 days. 950,000,000 / 4500 = 211,111 cars (if they all got the max amount). I'm guessing there's a big pile of overhead in there somewhere. When someone like Stuart purchases the car for salvage does the money go back into the fund?

Troy

[Old Moparz]

4 days. 950,000,000 / 4500 = 211,111 cars (if they all got the max amount). I'm guessing there's a big pile of overhead in there somewhere. When someone like Stuart purchases the car for salvage does the money go back into the fund?

Troy

I can see Stuart filling up his green ragtop with that $50 before he hands it back. 

[Todd Wilson]

I wish they would allow more vehicles to be clunkered. I want to put a bullet in the old 86 Honda car and send it to Stu's and get me a new unit to drive!


Todd

[Todd Wilson]

I just heard on the news that the program is out of money already (1 billion dollars). I guess there is an appeal to Congress to allocate more cash before they go on their month long break or it's done for.

Troy

Even though  my buisness is really going to benefit from getting these cars.  I cant believe with the way the BIG 3 are hurting why didnt they limit this program to Ford , chrysler and GM.  Some of the import lots around here are calling me with 50 or more cars sitting there they want me to bid on . All the billion dollars is gone and could have benefited the Big 3 only .      just my opinion    I can see them letting you trade any make in but they should have made them only be able to trade for a Big three new model .

Are you bidding to buy the vehicles  or bidding on hauling them off? 

Todd

[moparstuart]

4 days. 950,000,000 / 4500 = 211,111 cars (if they all got the max amount). I'm guessing there's a big pile of overhead in there somewhere. When someone like Stuart purchases the car for salvage does the money go back into the fund?

Troy

No the dealership gets $50.00 for there troubles and paper work, plus blowing up the motor times. If we bid more then fifty bucks for the car it goes back as trade in money for the customer .

[moparstuart]

I just heard on the news that the program is out of money already (1 billion dollars). I guess there is an appeal to Congress to allocate more cash before they go on their month long break or it's done for.

Troy

Even though  my buisness is really going to benefit from getting these cars.  I cant believe with the way the BIG 3 are hurting why didnt they limit this program to Ford , chrysler and GM.  Some of the import lots around here are calling me with 50 or more cars sitting there they want me to bid on . All the billion dollars is gone and could have benefited the Big 3 only .      just my opinion    I can see them letting you trade any make in but they should have made them only be able to trade for a Big three new model .

Are you bidding to buy the vehicles  or bidding on hauling them off? 

Todd

WE are bidding to buy the cars if it's old or i dont have any demand i just give the $50.00 and thats all the dealers can keep anyway so they are happy with the $50.00.  But if its a desireable car dealers may get several bids from several yards that are approved disposal yards .

[moparstuart]

if you go to        http://www.cars.gov/files/ELVS_State/ELVS.pdf            its a pdf file hope that works

 you can see the list of all approved disposal yards in every state.   My yard is on page 132 if i remember correctly .

[694spdRT]

I guess this is a good indicator that if prices of new vehicles were $3500-$4500 less(along with the rebates currently available) people would be buying. I am guessing this program is sparking more of "It's a good deal" that won't last long versus the fuel economy aspect for most. If nothing else it is a direct stimulus to the people instead of a corporate bailout with a hope for trickle downs.

[Troy]

Ok,  it was 6 days - not the 4 days I said earlier (I guess the weekend counted).

The numbers make no sense. Here are some various quotes from a recent article that seem contradictory:

Lawmakers had expected the program to generate about 250,000 vehicle sales and to have enough money to last until about Nov. 1.

So, we're projecting 250,000 transactions.

"Any doubt that the CARS program would jump-start auto sales is completely erased,” said Greg Martin, a General Motors Co. spokesman. “More than 200,000 cleaner, more fuel-efficient cars are on the road and a vital industry gets a needed boost.

So there's 200,000+ already sold.

There are 20,000 certifications waiting to be processed, Gibbs said.

Plus another 20,000 in the pipeline.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is running the program, said yesterday that 22,782 vehicles worth $95.9 million had been sold.

Uh? Big problem with that last one: $95.9 million / 22,782 = $4,209.46 per vehicle (that's less than the rebate on most of them).

Troy

[694spdRT]

Ok,  it was 6 days - not the 4 days I said earlier (I guess the weekend counted).

The numbers make no sense. Here are some various quotes from a recent article that seem contradictory:

Lawmakers had expected the program to generate about 250,000 vehicle sales and to have enough money to last until about Nov. 1.

So, we're projecting 250,000 transactions.

"Any doubt that the CARS program would jump-start auto sales is completely erased," said Greg Martin, a General Motors Co. spokesman. "More than 200,000 cleaner, more fuel-efficient cars are on the road and a vital industry gets a needed boost.

So there's 200,000+ already sold.

There are 20,000 certifications waiting to be processed, Gibbs said.

Plus another 20,000 in the pipeline.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is running the program, said yesterday that 22,782 vehicles worth $95.9 million had been sold.

Uh? Big problem with that last one: $95.9 million / 22,782 = $4,209.46 per vehicle (that's less than the rebate on most of them).

Troy

What a shock! A government program that is confusing and underfunded. 

I am a little confused why cars like the Charger or 300 are excluded where a SUV or truck that gets worse mileage are alright. I know it is because they are in different classes and there needs to be a cutoff but if the goal was to improve fuel economy the 4 to 10mpg rule would would have still worked.     

[moparstuart]

The dealers I have been talking to are really nervous because they have 20 - 50 junk cars sitting on the lot waiting on approval but they have already made the deal with the customer . Now they have to wait on the goverment for final approval and who know when or if they will ever get there 4500.00 bucks out of them .  None of them i'm dealing with have started seizing the engine yet for fear they get shafted .

[694spdRT]

 None of them i'm dealing with have started seizing the engine yet for fear they get shafted .

Not a bad idea too wait. If purchase contracts are signed the buyer is fine, the dealer is  .

[Todd Wilson]

Ok,  it was 6 days - not the 4 days I said earlier (I guess the weekend counted).

The numbers make no sense. Here are some various quotes from a recent article that seem contradictory:

Lawmakers had expected the program to generate about 250,000 vehicle sales and to have enough money to last until about Nov. 1.

So, we're projecting 250,000 transactions.

"Any doubt that the CARS program would jump-start auto sales is completely erased," said Greg Martin, a General Motors Co. spokesman. "More than 200,000 cleaner, more fuel-efficient cars are on the road and a vital industry gets a needed boost.

So there's 200,000+ already sold.

There are 20,000 certifications waiting to be processed, Gibbs said.

Plus another 20,000 in the pipeline.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is running the program, said yesterday that 22,782 vehicles worth $95.9 million had been sold.

Uh? Big problem with that last one: $95.9 million / 22,782 = $4,209.46 per vehicle (that's less than the rebate on most of them).

Troy

What a shock! A government program that is confusing and underfunded. 

I am a little confused why cars like the Charger or 300 are excluded where a SUV or truck that gets worse mileage are alright. I know it is because they are in different classes and there needs to be a cutoff but if the goal was to improve fuel economy the 4 to 10mpg rule would would have still worked.     

Where are you getting confused that the Charger and 300 are excluded? I was under the impression that if your clunker had a government MPG rating of 18 or less you could clunker it and buy what ever you wanted. If the new vehicle was 8 MPG rating more then your clunker you got 4500$ otherwise it was 3500$.

Todd

[Todd Wilson]

The dealers I have been talking to are really nervous because they have 20 - 50 junk cars sitting on the lot waiting on approval but they have already made the deal with the customer . Now they have to wait on the goverment for final approval and who know when or if they will ever get there 4500.00 bucks out of them .  None of them i'm dealing with have started seizing the engine yet for fear they get shafted .

Our dealer was doing clunker deals weeks ago. Getting things lined up and the sale and then turned the paper work in when the clunker pgoram started.

Todd

[moparstuart]

The dealers I have been talking to are really nervous because they have 20 - 50 junk cars sitting on the lot waiting on approval but they have already made the deal with the customer . Now they have to wait on the goverment for final approval and who know when or if they will ever get there 4500.00 bucks out of them .  None of them i'm dealing with have started seizing the engine yet for fear they get shafted .

Our dealer was doing clunker deals weeks ago. Getting things lined up and the sale and then turned the paper work in when the clunker pgoram started.

Todd

Several around here were also , thats why some have as many as 50 cars at the dealership and are ready to off load them asap . But now they may be screwed . We will have to see what happens .

[694spdRT]

Where are you getting confused that the Charger and 300 are excluded? I was under the impression that if your clunker had a government MPG rating of 18 or less you could clunker it and buy what ever you wanted. If the new vehicle was 8 MPG rating more then your clunker you got 4500$ otherwise it was 3500$.

Todd

The new car has to get a combined City/Highway of 23mpg while an SUV/truck needs to get 15mpg or better. So if I wanted to trade an old truck that got 13mpg or less in on a Charger that gets 18mpg combined I can't. However, I can trade it on a SUV or truck that gets worse than the Charger.

For cars it is 4mpg to 9mpg greater = $3500, 10mpg or over $4500.
For SUVS and small trucks it is 2mpg to 4mpg greater =$3500, 5mpg or over $4500.
Heavy trucks just get $3500 as there are no MPG ratings.

[moparstuart]

according to cardomain  2 billion more approved 


July 31, 2009

Too Much of a Bad Thing: $2 Billion More For Clunkers
By John Coyle

Deputy Editor
While the Cash for Clunkers program hasn't been well-received by members of CarDomain, it's proven incredibly popular with, like, everyone else. Yesterday, we got news the program might run out of money in September, but apparently reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated. This morning the House voted to pump another two billion bucks into Clunkers, which insures we'll be seeing even more sad pictures of doomed vehicles than we originally thought. Details over at MSNBC.com.

 

[rav440]

 None of them i'm dealing with have started seizing the engine yet for fear they get shafted .

Not a bad idea too wait. If purchase contracts are signed the buyer is fine, the dealer is  .

from what i understand the dealer is fine its the buyer that gets the shaft if the money falls through .

[Brock Samson]

 On the radio they were saying how wildly successful this program is,.. I have my doubts about that, I think it depends on whos viewpoint is doing the assesment,.. It is getting folks into the showrooms which is fine,.. I guess... most folks seem to buying the more efficient Imports like hondas and such,.. to maximise their value...
  a lot more economy cars being sold and alot less SUVs i guess...   
my fleet doesn't qualify, how about you guys?..

[NHCharger]

A lot of the Dealers around here are nervous about this deal. They don't know when their getting the money from the gubbument, there is no one they can call/contact that is of any help, the website that they are supposed to use for this program has crashed several times. One Dealer has actually pulled out of the program and is refusing to honor any deal made after Wednesday.
As one Dealer noted, " Can't wait to see how the government run health program will work".

[sunroofsuperbird]

The Dealership I work for is paying the local junkyard here $100.00 to haul ours off? I should have signed up for this program? I own a salvage yard also? how did you get signed up sturat? We are not allowed to touch anything on them at work? we have got some very nice cars in also. I may post pics later.

[moparstuart]

The Dealership I work for is paying the local junkyard here $100.00 to haul ours off? I should have signed up for this program? I own a salvage yard also? how did you get signed up sturat? We are not allowed to touch anything on them at work? we have got some very nice cars in also. I may post pics later.

You had to be an ELVS approved mercury switch recycler . 

  You can call ELVS  877-225-3587 AND ASK  ?

[69bronzeT5]

Somebody posted this on Moparts.......somebody traded this in as a "clunker". What a waste

[Charger_Fan]

There's a dealership here that's next to a freeway. They have maybe a dozen of the cars on their lot, parked near the freeway fence with "CLUNKER" written on their windows...many of them look just like that, with a long life ahead of them still.   A waste indeed, people can sure be idiots.

[694spdRT]

Somebody posted this on Moparts.......somebody traded this in as a "clunker". What a waste

I agree it is a waste too but most people are looking at the economics of it. My friend tried to trade off his 2006 Dakota 4wd club cab with 70K on it about 2 months ago to get a new one. It is in real nice shape and he went to 3 dealers and the best trade value in was $7500. That Dakota you pictured is a lot older and probably has a lot of miles on it. Unfortunatley, it is probably not worth as much in trade as the clunker bill is offering or it wouldn't get clunkered.

I don't like it either but the program is not that sentimental about the "clunkers". I have a good running '95 Mercury Cougar V8 with only 70K on it and a prior salvage title. I could never get $3500 or $4500 for it on trade. I would like to get a 4 door vehicle like a Jeep Patriot or Dodge Caliber with a 5 speed to run around and the Cougar may have to go. I have a guy interested in the Cougar but I doubt he will give me anywhere near what the clunker bill offers.

BTW: If there are any Ford Explorer fans they must be going crazy. I think 6 of the top 10 vehicles traded in were different year Explorers.

[68charger383]

My friend works at a dealer in CA, the program is working to bring in new customers and move cars. They have about 85 clunkers in stock.

The dealer is required to drain the oil and pour something into the motor and run it until the motor is seized to ensure the car is off the road.

The dealer gets $200 for cars and $300 for trucks to send for salvage, but this money actually goes to the customer, they can only keep $50 for the above fee for seizing the motor.

[Old Moparz]

Somebody posted this on Moparts.......somebody traded this in as a "clunker". What a waste

That truck looks nice, but so do halpaggy cars on ebay from 20 feet. 

Seriously, that Dakota looks clean, but it might not have been cost effective to the owner to keep it. What if it needed several thousand dollars in not so obvious repairs to keep it roadworthy over a long period of time? If the clunker money was available when my wife needed a new car, we'd have gladly traded in her older Pathfinder for double of what we sold it for. Her Pathfinder was well kept & looked just as clean as the white Dakota pictured, but it was 11 years old, had 165,000 miles. It was just starting to show some rust in places, & at some point within the next 5K to 10K miles, would've need brakes.

[myk]

Cash for clunkers, huh.  I'm assuming that this is some sort of movement to help gross polluting vehicles off of the road and drive more environmentally responsible vehicles?  That's a cute idea.  I just hope that all of these clunkers that get traded in don't "hurt" the environment while they rust and decay out there in the junkyards across America. How many hundreds of thousands of clunkers will be doing that in the years to come now?  Hmm.....

[moparstuart]

Cash for clunkers, huh.  I'm assuming that this is some sort of movement to help gross polluting vehicles off of the road and drive more environmentally responsible vehicles?  That's a cute idea.  I just hope that all of these clunkers that get traded in don't "hurt" the environment while they rust and decay out there in the junkyards across America. How many hundreds of thousands of clunkers will be doing that in the years to come now?  Hmm.....

we only have  180 days to dismantle the vehical save what we want , then we have to crush it and report it crushed to the goverment. The crushing fasciliity also has to report it to the goverment  or they come after me and fine me for not getting it done .

[nh_mopar_fan]

Contrary to what the gov is reporting, most people are not buying a buzzbox. They're skewing the numbers to make it look that way.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/07/autos/cash_for_clunkers_sales/index.htm?postversion=2009080709

[Old Moparz]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the clunker cash program was supposed to be a combination of better MPG as well as stimulate sales? I don't think it was ever designed as being strictly a planet saver program. 

[nh_mopar_fan]

Bob,

That idiot Feinstein was out in the last day or two telling us how the program was successful beyond their expectations in respect to the efficient cars people were choosing.

As to whether they want to go the stimulus vs greenie benefit, I'll go for "None of the above"

Have you heard of any of the big 3 stepping up production?

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/08/07/cash-for-clunkers-is-popular-but-is-it-truly-a-us-stimulus/

Judd Gregg is my senator and he is absolutely right when he says our kids will be paying this bill. 

[jaak]

What pisses me off, is you should only be able to buy America makes.....of the 184,000+ sold the first week, over half were foreign makes.....WTF?

Jason

[Troy]

What pisses me off, is you should only be able to buy America makes.....of the 184,000+ sold the first week, over half were foreign makes.....WTF?

Jason

I answered this on page 2:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59938.msg669037.html#msg669037

Troy

[jaak]

What pisses me off, is you should only be able to buy America makes.....of the 184,000+ sold the first week, over half were foreign makes.....WTF?

Jason

I answered this on page 2:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59938.msg669037.html#msg669037

Troy

Sorry Troy...missed that

Jason

[BB1]

 

How about dividing these billions among the millions of citizens, since it's our money anyways.
Oh wait, that's to easy.   

[b5blue]

I have been saying that too!  Can anyone figure out what that would be?

[1970Moparmann]

I just hate it when the government get's involved with anything now a days.  See this crap.....

I say screw the program and give the $3 billion dollars to "tax payers" as a stimulus!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/05/lurita-doan-cash/

[moparstuart]

it was a real screwing  to us tax payers


    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches.aspx?post=1341914&_blg=1,1341914     

[1970Moparmann]

Isn't that just another kick to the groin.... Unbelievable... There's still dealerships by my house that the cars are sitting in a back lot waiting for the government money that was supposed to come ASAP.   I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD GIVE THE GOV'T THE RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE based on crap like this.

Stuart, what are you seeing with your customers.  Same story?

[warmpancakes]

I traded in a clunker   1985 diplomat, came home with a 2009 jeep Patriot  I love the little "suv"   went from 21 MPG to 30 MPG
sticker on the jeep was 23030
  23030
+1381.80 sales tax
+125.00 other fees
-4500 C4c
-5000 chrysler rebate
-2236.80 employee discount and owner loyalty
=$12800 out the door about 49% off sticker I figure I can drive it 2-2.5 years and get my money back, but It has the life time warranty so i might drive it till it rusts away

[moparstuart]

Isn't that just another kick to the groin.... Unbelievable... There's still dealerships by my house that the cars are sitting in a back lot waiting for the government money that was supposed to come ASAP.   I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD GIVE THE GOV'T THE RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE based on crap like this.

Stuart, what are you seeing with your customers.  Same story?

we got about 50 of these car's , it took about 2 months for the goverment money to come in . All my dealerships i deal with are paid and we have gotten the cars.  It has been a great thing for my buisness , but wish we could have sold the motors also .  It really is a shame these are reallly nice cars and trucks and they should have never been crushed or even taken off the road .      

[loudmouthaussie]

kinda seems so wasteful to trash 2000 model cars even if they do pollute. guess they will fill chinas need for scrap metal. bye bye old scrap yards you have over there takin up acres 

wonder if this will come in downunder? we keep our cars longest in the world (bar mexico) 

[Ghoste]

wonder if this will come in downunder? we keep our cars longest in the world (bar mexico) 

And Cuba. 

[moparstuart]

  anyone know about the japaneses laws where you have to change out your engines after like 30 k miles  ?


  I alway here about the take out japan car motors with 30k or less on them forsales . Because they have emmisons  laws  ?     

[dads_69]

Local wrecking yard has at least 60 CFC now. 90% of them are perfect drivers. Durango's, Explorer's, Nissan SUV's. Etc...
Trucks, you name it, he has them. Many with less than 100,000 miles. IMO, the cash for clunkers idea was a bad idea/joke, but to each his/her own.
Enjoy the new car payments.

We voted for change, we sure got it.

[loudmouthaussie]

  anyone know about the japaneses laws where you have to change out your engines after like 30 k miles  ?


  I alway here about the take out japan car motors with 30k or less on them forsales . Because they have emmisons  laws  ?     

not sure on details of thier laws but down in australia weve been getting jap engines for years that have gone over thier limit. cheaper alternative to a rebuild.