Anyone else have a problem with classic cars being sent overseas?

[Sublime69]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves with the classic car hobby, especially dealers that get a hold of old cars and are eagerly willing to send classics overseas where we will probably never have the opportunity to see them again.

Everytime I get on ebay and see a pristine Hemi car or another rare Mopar being offered worldwide with an ad that eagerly welcomes overseas buyers I just want to kick their ass.

It's bad enough our cars are as rare as they are and we hardly ever get a chance to appreciate them as much as we'd like to but they have to be sent to people overseas with relatively no history, compassion, or sentimentality to cars from our past that we either owned or someday dreamed of owning.

Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this, right?

[69bronzeT5]

People overseas love Mopars too so I don't see a problem with them having some....

[Sublime69]

So you don't see a problem with seeing less of the cars that your into? Maybe we should send every Hemi car, Max Wedge etc overseas and have nobody to show up at any of our events. Afterall, all we did was design and build the cars anyway. 

People into Mopars overseas are like people into MG's over here, they exist, but it's completely irrelevant to their car culture. They just don't look right over there.

[Brock Samson]

  "It's bad enough our cars are as rare as they are and we hardly ever get a chance to appreciate them as much as we'd like to but they have to be sent to people overseas with relatively no history, compassion, or sentimentality to cars from our past that we either owned or someday dreamed of owning."

I dunno but I strongly disagree,.. look at any of the american car show threads from Europe and it's quite clear they totally appreciate and even love our cars and the American car culture...
  read some of the old threads...
  Let's see if it doesn't change your mind,.. BTW: There were alot more American cars going over seas 2 years to 18 Mos. Ago when the exchange rate was far more favorable to buy american classics and ship them over seas.

[69bronzeT5]

So you don't see a problem with seeing less of the cars that your into? Maybe we should send every Hemi car, Max Wedge etc overseas and have nobody to show up at any of our events. Afterall, all we did was design and build the cars anyway. 

We're not sending EVERY car over there. I feel we get to enjoy these awesome cars, why reject other Mopar fans that oppurtunity.

[Sublime69]

Ok, maybe my points not clear enough.

Yes, I realize they like our cars, who wouldn't? But they have no history with our cars compared to us.

If you guys like seeing less and less of our cars at shows, then so be it. The question is are you guys ok with sending a rare Mopar overseas, posibly never to be brought back? There are few left as it is. Why should I feel happy and giddy inside because someone in sweden or japan is also a Mopar fan? There's enough of us here.

[Brock Samson]

         

[Dans 68]

As long as they are not being used in a smelter,  no.

Dan

[Rolling_Thunder]

Well...    rich people live Everywhere man...       My friend's Father has sent a couple of his cars to Europe because he has a house in Italy...    So he has one of his BOSS 429 Stangs, a Viper, and Daytona over there....         (He also Sold a 1970 Shelby GT500 to a man in Saudi Arabia)

My opinion is yes it is difficult to see them go but that does not make it wrong....     what if you lived in Europe and really wanted a classic mopar ?   Would you move to the US just to own one ?   I just think it is cool (in a way) that Mopars (and other brands) are spreading over the world - why should we be the only ones to enjoy them ?

[Arthu®]

You have got to be kidding...

[Mike DC]

   
I don't love seeing them leave the US either.  But we can "lose" cars right here at home.  I can think of plenty of locally-owned musclecars that probably don't get driven 100 miles in 10 years.  Many of their owners seem all that into them either.




I think the average american muscle car owner who lives outside the US seems to be pretty fanatical about it. 

Think:  How committed and enthusiastic is the guy who pays to import an Aussie Falcon or a vintage British sports car into the US?  Usually he's pretty damn thrilled about them.


 

[TruckDriver]

I don't know... But I'd sure love to own a 1975 Ford Falcon GT 429 from Australia (or a XB Falcon like pictured).  



or this even

[LeadfootBob]

You have got to be kidding...

Concur.
Take a look at the american car scene in europe, especially Sweden/Finland, before you open your mouth about how our "car culture" is composed and how we have "no history" with these cars.
Do you really think some idiot would buy an american car, import it, restore it (you think we just run down to the Pep boys store for parts? make a few calls and find 440's lying around in barns for 500 bucks? Buy sheet metal produced "locally"?) and then drive it around with gas costing more than 6 bucks a gallon if he didn't LOVE the damn thing?!

I'm REALLY sorry I wasn't born in America, and I'm even MORE sorry that I bought a Mopar that some sneaky bastard STOLE from you! After all, I guess throwing down 10000 dollars for a basket case (yes, I consider it a decent price for a car this rotten around here!) after dreaming about owning one for most of my life isn't good enough... I'll just forget about the whole affair and ship it back, My apologies, I had no idea! 

(Pretty rare for me to throw a tantrum but this kind of bigoted nonsense just pisses me off something fierce) 

[Ghoste]

I remember similar arguments not that long ago in the vintage guitar hobby.  I have pics someplace from a guitar show I attended in Michigan in the 90's and there were a group of buyers there from Japan.  They had purchased floor space for a booth but not as vendors, it was storage and while one person waited behind and watched over the growing pile of tweed guitar cases, the other two or three were running through the building as quickly as possible buying up every old Fender, Gibson, and Rickenbacker they saw.  The dealers were giddy with joy over the pay and price feeding frenzy and the regular showgoers all grumbled about no more American guitars in America.  Guess what?  There are still plenty of vintage American guitars in America and some of the ones that went to Japan have ended up coming back.
Xenophobia is a strange animal.

[RECHRGD]

Just look at some of the beautiful restorations that of our over seas members have done.  I would much prefer to see a classic mopar saved in another country than some that I have seen over here just rotting away in some jerks back yard.  Bob

[skip68]

You have got to be kidding...

Concur.
Take a look at the American car scene in Europe, especially Sweden/Finland, before you open your mouth about how our "car culture" is composed and how we have "no history" with these cars.
Do you really think some idiot would buy an American car, import it, restore it (you think we just run down to the Pep boys store for parts? make a few calls and find 440's lying around in barns for 500 bucks? Buy sheet metal produced "locally"?) and then drive it around with gas costing more than 6 bucks a gallon if he didn't LOVE the damn thing?!

I'm REALLY sorry I wasn't born in America, and I'm even MORE sorry that I bought a Mopar that some sneaky bastard STOLE from you! After all, I guess throwing down 10000 dollars for a basket case (yes, I consider it a decent price for a car this rotten around here!) after dreaming about owning one for most of my life isn't good enough... I'll just forget about the whole affair and ship it back, My apologies, I had no idea! 

(Pretty rare for me to throw a tantrum but this kind of bigoted nonsense just pisses me off something fierce) 

LeadfootBob,  You can buy our cars but you will never be American.       Well said Bob.     I see nothing wrong with it at all.  Why does it matter what your address is when it comes to loving these cars ?   I helped CB "Christian" from Belgium buy his car, store his car at my house for 6 months in my garage and even gave him food and shelter.         I talked the owner down on the price of his car and helped him get parts for it too.   We are all Charger "Mopar" brothers and I don't care where you are from.  If you need help that's why we are here          Chuck...........

[Nacho-RT74]

then Italians, Brittish and Germas should hate when some cool Mercedes, Ferrari, Lambo, Masserati, Bugatti, Aston Martin is being sold to USA ( specially California )

Calm down buddy.

[Armudster]

 So I can't drive a US Mopar because I'm at the wrong side of the world? I love American cars and I like your culture too, I speak English, I listen to Rockabilly and Country, I love Harleys, I sure love to eat junkie food, and I have a share of dreams and one of them is a 68 Charger. See, we're not that different after all, so do you want all the good stuff while I'm left here with nothing? I don't complain when some American friends come here to Brazil and fuck our girls, and drink Caipirinhas, and I even encourage them, even though there's more to see here than that. We all have things to share and learn from eachother.
I am coming to the US next year to get a High Performance Technology Associate of Science degree and I'll finally buy a 68 Charger while I'm there, I'll spend 2 to 4 years over there and plan to restore it while I'm there, and guess what, when I'm gone I'll bring the car with me to Brazil, so don't feel bad about that, and if you want to come to Brazil one day I'll show you around, and I'm sure you'll see that  we deserve, and already have some Mopars over here, and even have our own version of the A Body Mopar, specially when you see the wonders we do with bodywork and performance, since we do it all from scratch and we don't have access to sheet metal or crate engines.
Greetings from Brazil  

[Old Moparz]

People are people, so what the hell difference does it make where a car, or just about anything, ends up as long as it's enjoyed? I think the only way I'd ever have a problem with a rare Mopar going overseas, is if it went to a place like Antarctica. I don't think they make a good cleaner that can get penguin shit off paint.

[Arthu®]

I am coming to the US next year to get a High Performance Technology Associate of Science degree and I'll finally buy a 68 Charger while I'm there, I'll spend 2 to 4 years over there and plan to restore it while I'm there, and guess what, when I'm gone I'll bring the car with me to Brazil, so don't feel bad about that, and if you want to come to Brazil one day I'll show you around, and I'm sure you'll see that  we deserve, and already have some Mopars over here, and even have our own version of the A Body Mopar, specially when you see the wonders we do with bodywork and performance, since we do it all from scratch and we don't have access to sheet metal or crate engines.
Greetings from Brazil  

Why would you have to prove that you deserve a Mopar, the mere fact that you want one should be enough that if you have the money that you can buy one... Half the persons in the U.S. that own a Mopar probably don't deserve (whatever is meant with deserve) one.

Arthur

[Armudster]

I am coming to the US next year to get a High Performance Technology Associate of Science degree and I'll finally buy a 68 Charger while I'm there, I'll spend 2 to 4 years over there and plan to restore it while I'm there, and guess what, when I'm gone I'll bring the car with me to Brazil, so don't feel bad about that, and if you want to come to Brazil one day I'll show you around, and I'm sure you'll see that  we deserve, and already have some Mopars over here, and even have our own version of the A Body Mopar, specially when you see the wonders we do with bodywork and performance, since we do it all from scratch and we don't have access to sheet metal or crate engines.
Greetings from Brazil  

Why would you have to prove that you deserve a Mopar, the mere fact that you want one should be enough that if you have the money that you can buy one... Half the persons in the U.S. that own a Mopar probably don't deserve (whatever is meant with deserve) one.

Arthur

I wasn´t trying to prove anything, I was just saying that it doesn´t need to be in the US to be in good hands, and that´s what matters the most.

[Back N Black]

So you don't see a problem with seeing less of the cars that your into? Maybe we should send every Hemi car, Max Wedge etc overseas and have nobody to show up at any of our events. Afterall, all we did was design and build the cars anyway. 

People into Mopars overseas are like people into MG's over here, they exist, but it's completely irrelevant to their car culture. They just don't look right over there.

So, whats you solution?

[Ghoste]

What about cars that were exported in the first place?  What about a foreign country like Canada?

[Sublime69]

Well I have to say I'm suprised at the responses to this topic.

I guess the thing nowadays is to be politically correct and say "as long as they're enjoying the car, who cares".

I don't consider Canada sending the car to a far away country, where it can be lost forever. Canadians have just as much heritage with these cars as us. And there weren't enough cars exported elsewhere to have that heritage spread throughout Europe as the collectors there would have you think.

The point is this, there are too many people here that would appreciate the cars for what they are, there is no reason to sell them overseas just because they "get a good home". It seems more people are interested in recruiting Mopars fans worldwide than enjoying the cars here were they belong. And as for the attitude some of you are labeling me with, this is MY opinion on the subject, don't get your panties is a wad, I'm discussing a subject that alot of people get pissed off about over here. And I know there is a huge American car scene overseas, that's why I'm asking this.  You still have NO hertiage with American cars. You've just seen them on tv or in a mag and decided you had to have one. As rare as it is to stumble across a Mopar here, I can't imagine how rare it use to be overseas.

As far as th em coming back, like Fender Guitars did, I never see an ad for a car from overseas. I see plenty of cars available to ship to but none available to ship from.

[skip68]

I know,   I know.        First the Indians were on our land, and now our cars are being shipped out.      This whole "this is ours and you can't have it" way of thinking is messed up.        So I guess Troy needs to have a block set up to keep this site "pure" and free of foreigners.      If they can't have our cars, they have no reason to be here then and should not be here.       Is that the way it should be ?       

[lisiecki1]

this thread makes me 

[Brock Samson]

  Who's got their panties inna wad?..     

[chargerjy9]

"don't get your panties is a wad, I'm discussing a subject that alot of people get pissed off about over here."

I don't get it, maybe those people need to get a life, there is a whole lot more HERE to get pissed off about. IMO. I bleed MOPAR BLUE, she has put food on my table for near 50 years. I will defend her always... I have no problem with someone overseas who wants a Mopar, it just builds up the brand and it's heritage. I would rather see one  somewhere else around the world being enjoyed, than have it rusting away in a field, or being squirreled away in some rich guy's private collection under lock and key. who are those "pissed off people" the fringe?
America needs to have a protectionist attitude towards many issues, but I would embrace someone who has a passion for Penatastar, no matter where.

[TiMopar]

I agree with Sublime69, us evil foreigners in the third world cannot be trusted with your precious Mopars. I alone have a history of doing this to the rusty old junk you didn't want since the mid seventies. I am currently cutting and grinding and welding on a V-code 70 RR and an AAR, with a 68 Charger R/T as my next victim! *Evil laugh in an English accent with bad teeth*

[lisiecki1]

I agree with Sublime69, us evil foreigners in the third world cannot be trusted with your precious Mopars. I alone have a history of doing this to the rusty old junk you didn't want since the mid seventies. I am currently cutting and grinding and welding on a V-code 70 RR and an AAR, with a 68 Charger R/T as my next victim! *Evil laugh in an English accent with bad teeth*

for shame sir, you do not deserve to own such things, you must send it to me immediately!  call an international shipping company and pm me for my address and stick to your tea and crumpets.

bwahahahahahahaha

p.s. post lots of pics when it's done!

[LeadfootBob]

You still have NO hertiage with American cars.

I was born in '81, supposedly my first trip in a hot car was while still in my mommas belly as dad ran his '71 camaro through the gears (Irresponsible? Well, that's the family motto  ). Growing up I didn't really care that much about cars (although I saw the movies, read the mags, learned the talk and watched others wrench them) until I got a ride in a '69 Nova with a built 402, slicks, 4.11's and all that stuff. As that guy in Heat so elegantly put it: "F*cked. For. LIFE."

In the back of our garage there's a whole pile of car mags, dating all the way back to 1975. Plenty of american cars were being shipped over even back then, Chrysler shipped cars over in pieces and assembled them locally. We had street racing, cruising, car culture, hot rodding, the whole nine yards. Pretty much every town had a brace of cruisers and stoplight heroes duking it out on friday/saturday night, meeting at the burger joints, etc. etc. As previously mentioned, dad drove a '71 Camaro with a hopped up 350 in it, his friend has a '69 Charger R/T that had a stroked 440 (500 cui in 1977-78? crazy shit) which has since run mid-nines, at one point their car club convinced the local authorities to lend them a strip of freeway still under construction so that they could drag race for the weekend.
Nowadays, their sons and daughters are buying their dream cars to enjoy, cruise in and race with. If I'm not entirely mistaken the annual Power Big Meet (now over 30 years old) held in June is one of the largest shows for american car enthusiasts in the world with over 10,000 cars in attendance. This with a Swedish population of 9 million.
Now you tell me... What constitutes a "heritage with american cars"?
My pile of coins 

[4cruzin]

Everyone has a right to own any car they want if their will to pay for it no matter where they live.  

[Sublime69]

This just goes to show how many smartasses are really on here. You guys can't even stick to the topic or understand what the hell you're even saying. All the europeans on here want to defend how they have history with these cars, please.....

A car being sent overseas does NOT HELP a car rusting in a field here. The guy with a car rusting in a field isn't going to sell that car any faster just because there is an overseas buyer.   At least you can TRY TO BUY that car rusting in somebody's field. Kinda hard to make a deal on a car in Europe......

Alot of people on here clearly can't stick to the topic. Your arguments make no sense to the topic at hand. You sound like your more interested in spreading the hobby than enjoying the cars here with people that actually remember them. Anyway, I got the mood of most of the people on here, politically correct "worldwide" is better for our hobby blah blah.... At least your car is safe in saudi arabia........ Better there than here right? Someone might neglect it here, NO CHANCE of that happening over there.  

I guess it's only cool for people in Europe to act like they're Americans. You'll never have the history, heritage, or knowledge about how it was when these cars were abundant. Keep laughing with your english accent, funny when that car ends up in the bottom of the atlantic on it's way to get shipped elsewhere. Containers slide ya know.... Go back to chatting on the internet about your cars. I've got work to do.

[lisiecki1]

knowledge about how it was when these cars were abundant.

So.....because my car was built before I was born and I don't have direct knowledge of how it was "back then" I should'nt own it?

and if I was to move overseas for work, would I then be required to sell my car before I left?

To be honest you're coming off like a little kid that's mad no one agrees with him.  Whether or not someone "deserves" to own something has no relevance in being politically correct.  Who are you to decide who deserves to have what?

[BB1]

Sign my petition, {No more Mopars sent to Canada.}

Or NMMSTC

They're not worthy.  



Next the Netherlands!  

[Old Moparz]

This just goes to show how many smartasses are really on here. You guys can't even stick to the topic or understand what the hell you're even saying. All the europeans on here want to defend how they have history with these cars, please.....

A car being sent overseas does NOT HELP a car rusting in a field here. The guy with a car rusting in a field isn't going to sell that car any faster just because there is an overseas buyer.   At least you can TRY TO BUY that car rusting in somebody's field. Kinda hard to make a deal on a car in Europe......

Alot of people on here clearly can't stick to the topic. Your arguments make no sense to the topic at hand. You sound like your more interested in spreading the hobby than enjoying the cars here with people that actually remember them. Anyway, I got the mood of most of the people on here, politically correct "worldwide" is better for our hobby blah blah.... At least your car is safe in saudi arabia........ Better there than here right? Someone might neglect it here, NO CHANCE of that happening over there.  

I guess it's only cool for people in Europe to act like they're Americans. You'll never have the history, heritage, or knowledge about how it was when these cars were abundant. Keep laughing with your english accent, funny when that car ends up in the bottom of the atlantic on it's way to get shipped elsewhere. Containers slide ya know.... Go back to chatting on the internet about your cars. I've got work to do.

I don't think the bulk of the posts were at all intended to be "politically correct" as much as they were just meant to say that anyone who loves old cars & wants one, should just go ahead & get one. I think it's pretty cool when someone from another country is passionate enough over a car to go through the effort, expense, & aggrevation, to import one of ours to have fun with & enjoy. The furthest thing from my thoughts is making a "PC" statement. It's more about showing another car lover some respect, whether it's a Mopar or any other make.


By the way, you're entitled to your own opinion & I don't have any interest in changing it because the reality of it is that the small percentage of cars that go overseas is probably less significant than the ones butcherd by a dirtbag like halpag.

[Mike DC]

Yeah, HLPAG-style restorations are probably at least as statisticaly bad.  

 

I understand the gut reaction to seeing these things carted off to other far-off places when you want more of them yourself.  Anyone can identify with that.  It's logical that a Charger seems more at home sitting next to a roadrunner and a Comet than sitting next to a row of foreign cars.

But how at-home does a 68 Charger appear when it's sitting next to a modern Toyota Prius?  These things are pretty much fish-out-of-water even in the USA these days. 





I didn't really "remember" these cars and I'm from Missouri.  I didn't grow up with a wrench in my hand and my father & uncle rebuilding the motor in the gararge.  

I was a suburban kid who grew up watching them on TV/movies more than "experiencing them in real life."  I had barely ever experienced them in person before I started trying to find ones to buy as a teenager.  

I don't think this experience would have been very much different if I had grown up in another country.  I would've had to go farther to and pay more to get these cars and be around them, that's about all.  

[Sublime69]

I'm acting like a little kid?  Lets look at your comments, one of them anyway:

I agree with Sublime69, us evil foreigners in the third world cannot be trusted with your precious Mopars. I alone have a history of doing this to the rusty old junk you didn't want since the mid seventies. I am currently cutting and grinding and welding on a V-code 70 RR and an AAR, with a 68 Charger R/T as my next victim! *Evil laugh in an English accent with bad teeth*

for shame sir, you do not deserve to own such things, you must send it to me immediately!  call an international shipping company and pm me for my address and stick to your tea and crumpets.

bwahahahahahahaha

p.s. post lots of pics when it's done!

Sounds off topic and smartass to me. 

I asked a simple question, I get several people telling me to "calm down" or whatever like this is really a PITA for me. This doesn't plague me like a PITA mosquito or any other number of problems out there. It's a question, nothing more. What gets me is when people introduce sarcasm and words that were not said by me or use scenarios that make absolutely no sense.

I have my cars, and I'll get some more. It'll be pretty funny though when people are on here bitching because there's nobody showing up to Carlisle or Columbus anymore because they're all sitting in the netherlands or asia in 20 years.

What I'm saying is overseas enthusiasts rarely have a connection to these cars. It isn't in their history. And the common argument is "at least it's being enjoyed overseas than rusting here". Yeah, at least it isn't rusting, but who's to say for it to be over here it has to be rusting and neglected?

[skip68]

So you drive an 04 Honda Civic as a daily driver.     This lets you save money for your dream cars right ?     I'd be willing to bet that our foreign brothers for the most part have more appreciation and respect for these cars than we do.       We grew up with them, see them and are able to get them at less cost.   These cars over there are considered exotics.   We should feel very lucky to have these cars and our dreams of getting one is realistic.   A dream car has nothing to do with Race, gender, your location, heritage, history or knowledge.    I guess Americans should not have a dream car unless it's built here, right ?        

[Sublime69]

They aren't my "brothers" and I doubt they respect the cars more than alot of people here, including myself. As I understand it, most offshore buyers are looking for an investment. Then there's the few that show up in places like here looking for advice.
You seem like just another smart ass trying to stir an argument by putting words in my mouth. Have fun with you dukes knock off.

[lisiecki1]

I'm acting like a little kid?  Lets look at your comments, one of them anyway:

I agree with Sublime69, us evil foreigners in the third world cannot be trusted with your precious Mopars. I alone have a history of doing this to the rusty old junk you didn't want since the mid seventies. I am currently cutting and grinding and welding on a V-code 70 RR and an AAR, with a 68 Charger R/T as my next victim! *Evil laugh in an English accent with bad teeth*

for shame sir, you do not deserve to own such things, you must send it to me immediately!  call an international shipping company and pm me for my address and stick to your tea and crumpets.

bwahahahahahahaha

p.s. post lots of pics when it's done!

Sounds off topic and smartass to me. 

I asked a simple question, I get several people telling me to "calm down" or whatever like this is really a PITA for me. This doesn't plague me like a PITA mosquito or any other number of problems out there. It's a question, nothing more. What gets me is when people introduce sarcasm and words that were not said by me or use scenarios that make absolutely no sense.

I have my cars, and I'll get some more. It'll be pretty funny though when people are on here bitching because there's nobody showing up to Carlisle or Columbus anymore because they're all sitting in the netherlands or asia in 20 years.

What I'm saying is overseas enthusiasts rarely have a connection to these cars. It isn't in their history. And the common argument is "at least it's being enjoyed overseas than rusting here". Yeah, at least it isn't rusting, but who's to say for it to be over here it has to be rusting and neglected?

smart ass, yes....off topic, well, i didn't think it was too far off topic, but this is the internet and people will take things how they take them.  

You're going about this entire thread in a way that sounds like it's a major soul-stealing PITA to you.  

I think the above scenario is baseless and completely without merit and you are grasping at straws to find a way to solidify your argument.  Who are you to say someone overseas has no history with these cars?  

What about the ones that are purchased rusting and neglected and restored overseas?

Why don't you buy all the ones that are available for shipping overseas before someone overseas does?

Your thread makes no sense.  I believe that is why you're getting so many smart ass comments.

[Brock Samson]

 Dude, You started this snowball rolling yourself,..
at least when i say I'm sick of all the Jenny Lees I'm prepared to take some lumps.. 
pretty much a confrontational thread if you ask me...   
'n needs to end here...
pretty well written if not well justified,.. in my opinion...
but i'm curious if anyone agrees with you like you say...
i will not post in this thread again. 

[Sublime69]

I was preparred to hear opinion, not sarcastic smart ass comments.

I did here some that were good, MikeDC etc.

But some reasoning leaves me questioning where the hell peoples heads are. I didn't change my argument from the beginning, so I'm not trying to solidify my argument, it stands as it did. Or are some of you just too thin skinned you can 't tell the difference between opinion and attacks. When I'm attacked, I attack back, don't know about others.

[Dodge Don]

This thread is an all new low.

You can call it PC if you wish but I've got a ton of respect for Mopar enthusiasts in the far flung corners of the globe that must bear monumental costs and obstacles to enjoy the hobby. Try having a car or parts shipped overseas. My hat is off to these guys...they are hardcore Mopar lovers in my books.    

[lisiecki1]

Ok, well, this has gone on long enough for me.

You're right.

I'm wrong.

I'll leave your thread now.

Thank you for the conversation.

Randy

[mauve66]

i can't believe i wasted 5 mins of my life reading this crap

We grew up with them, see them and are able to get them at less cost.   These cars over there are considered exotics.   We should feel very lucky to have these cars and our dreams of getting one is realistic.   A dream car has nothing to do with Race, gender, your location, heritage, history or knowledge.    I guess Americans should not have a dream car unless it's built here, right ?         

i think that says it best

now back to important things, like chocolate

[69bronzeT5]

Well this thread went EXACTLY how I thought it would

[Ghoste]

My last post here too; I've been trying to formulate a rational response for a completely irrational debate.  To answer your question and nothing else, sure I have a problem with vintage cars going overseas.  I have an equal problem with them going to the next county, the next town, even the next door neighbor.  I want them all but that is an irrational and totally pointless thought (in fact, it's just outright stupid).  You can accuse me of being politically correct but trying to keep all vintage American cars in the US because of some special cultural attachment that can only be gained by living in the US during a time period when you can remember lots of them driving around is bizarre.
What about other special cultural Americanisms?  Should there have been a ban on allowing Elvis, Carl Perkins, and Gene Vincent records to be heard or enjoyed outside the US?  That would make it hard to have the Beatles or Led Zeppelin wouldn't it?  Why end at culture?  You yourself said the cars were designed and built in the US and that was part of your argument for keeping them there.  What about medical technology?  For the US only?  Does it work both ways?  What if a cure for cancer is found in Portugal?  Is it just tough luck for Americans then?  If you want to keep US desinged and built technology in the US I bet a lot of nations would like to see it applied to military hardware.
Oh yes, I am sure you are ready to respond and tell me that none of what I have just written has anything to do with what you have asked or stated.  I assure you it does because one surreal idea deserves another.  It's just following the logic train.
If you had told me that you wished the cars would stay in the US because you hate missing the opportunity to buy them, I would someone understand that but you have defended your position on the cultural entitlement and made here stay here arguments and they are arguments that are full of holes.

[Dans 68]

...What about the ones that are purchased rusting and neglected and restored overseas...?

Just to interject a little fact....

This one (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35861.0.html) found new life in the Netherlands (I saw it, with it's happy owner on a video   ). I could not nor wanted to save it. Good for the buyer (although I think he got more than he bargained for in restoration work) to give it new life.

Again, as long as it is not meant for a smelter I have no concerns. Just remember what Doris Day would have sung....  

Dan

[Sublime69]

Records? Medical equipment? Curing cancer? What???

Classic cars are a finite item, they'll never be anymore than what there is now. Records can be duplicated over and over, so no, I don't have a problem with someone overseas listeing to Elvis, Led Zeppelin, or anybody else. That's crazy. Medical equipment and advances? Your talking apples and oranges. Your second sentence is all we needed here, not to sound rude either so don't take it that way Ghoste.

I think some of you are putting more into it than is needed.

My argument for them to stay here is so others here can enjoy them because the heritage goes back a looooong ways here and nowhere else. That's why I used a cultural example to defend keeping them here. What's wrong with that?

[Cooperman]

They aren't my "brothers" and I doubt they respect the cars more than a lot of people here, including myself. As I understand it, most offshore buyers are looking for an investment. Then there's the few that show up in places like here looking for advice.
You seem like just another smart ass trying to stir an argument by putting words in my mouth. Have fun with you dukes knock off.

Totally incorrect. I've wanted a '68 or '69 Charger since I was 10 years old. It took me until my 40th birthday to realise my dream. I have the greatest respect for my Charger - it's almost revered. Everything else is 'just a car'!

Funnily enough, I live and work in an area of England with a really high concentration of USAF personel. I own and run an American vehicle repair shop, and until recently was one of the few shops in the UK to carry out warranty work for the big three. I know WAY more about US cars and trucks than European ones. I would say that it is my heritage, whether you like it or not. My Charger stands in the corner of my shop, and the number of airmen that appreciate seeing a slice of Americana so far from home you would not believe.

Incidentally, I bought my car from an forum member here, and I believe he'd tried to sell it for a few months before I contacted him.

Lighten up Francis...

[skip68]

Jenny Lees !        I'm not trying to be a smart ass. "I am one though"  I can understand feeling sad to see lots of cars going away, but it seems that you are angry over it.   For you to say "They are not my brothers" when referring to our Foreign members is wrong.  It comes across as a form of hate and is not what we are about or this site.  This site is for all Charger/Mopar lovers.  I for one don't want our foreign members reading this and feeling like they are second class or have no right to these cars.  This is clearly not the way most of us Charger guys feel.     

[Sublime69]

Jenny Lees !        I'm not trying to be a smart ass. "I am one though"  I can understand feeling sad to see lots of cars going away, but it seems that you are angry over it.   For you to say "They are not my brothers" when referring to our Foreign members is wrong.  It comes across as a form of hate and is not what we are about or this site.  This site is for all Charger/Mopar lovers.  I for one don't want our foreign members reading this and feeling like they are second class or have no right to these cars.  This is clearly not the way most of us Charger guys feel.     

Are you serious? I have to be forced into "loving the entire world". Give me a break. And don't even try to put the hatred lable on me. They aren't my brothers, period. I take people on a person to person basis. I don't know the entire world, therefore I can neither love nor hate them until their actions see fit to do so. Just liking the same car as someone else doesn't make me want to be their best bud.

[Arthu®]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Honestly skip, I wouldn't worry much about the foreign people being offended. Sublime has done a pretty good job of making himself look like an ass, plus this is the first time ever on this forum this topic has even been brought up. I too can understand the point that you would be sad to see a number of cars leave the country  (honestly though these are very very small numbers compared to the running restored cars that are in the U.S.), but the things he is bringing up are ridiculous. I might not own a Mopar at the moment, but as soon as I get the money I might just bring out a bit on Sublime's car . Especially the point that we would buy the american cars just to look like an American is stupid, can't we just appreciate the styling? Is that not good enough. What about all the Americans buying Jaguar E-types are those pretending to be British?

This topic is entertaining though, I was a little bored as it is raining in Warsaw today but this did really put a smile on my face. I just love seeing ignorance...

Arthur

[skip68]

You put the lable on yourself.   Let me explain this slow so you understand.      When   I   say   "brothers"   what   I   mean   is   other   members.      We   are   kind   of   like   a   club.      Like   when   we   say   Ma-Mopar.    We   all   know   that   Ma-Mopar   is   not   our   mother..........          If this is how you feel, this may not be the right place for you.     

[RECHRGD]

Well, now that I think about it, there's only a few of us on this board that have a true heritage with these cars and deserve them.  That would be us old farts that bought them new back in the 60's.  We are the ones that really lived in the time and drove them.  So, please, if your under 60 years old, just give them all back to me.  Thanks,  Bob

[Steve P.]

then Italians, Brittish and Germas should hate when some cool Mercedes, Ferrari, Lambo, Masserati, Bugatti, Aston Martin is being sold to USA ( specially California )

Calm down buddy.

Once again Nacho has hit the same nail dead on the head as I. And once again he beat me to it...

If you want to be pissed about any sort of exportation I can think of many of our products that I WISH were still headed over seas.  You SHOULD be proud that other people in other countries love some of our heritage. Or are you just pissed that someone has more money and can afford it at a higher cost than you?

Something else to consider. Many people are buying up these cars as a business. A "FOR PROFIT" business. Why would they care who buys it as long as they are making theirs? This is not a "CLUB". Their are no rules to be adhered to. If you came up with the better wheel or better mouse trap, you would sell it to anyone and as many as possible.

JMO..........

[skip68]

I guess what I mean instead of "club" is a group of folks that love the same thing and want to help each other out, share and learn.      Nacho, we are going to start buying all the cars your country builds next.        Bob, you don't want my car.   I don't think you will like the color.   

[69bronzeT5]

You my sir, are a douche. To me, it seems like you expected a bunch of people to agree with you but when that didn't happen, you got your panties in a wad.

[Steve P.]

That's it.  Put what ever label on it you want, but as long as I am a mod here I will not stand for someone bashing another member.

I removed your last nasty comment and I'll do it again. This is a place for like interests. NOT a place to come and bash everyone that doesn't fit your criteria. You have an opinion and you posted it. Great. Now you know there is not one other member in this family that shares your opinion. There is no room here for the BS you just posted, so as far as I am concerned you have been handed your hat. If you have a problem with that you can PM me.

Have a nice day.