To clone or not to clone....that is the question

[68RRFlyer]

Hey guys,

I just got done laying down the vinyl top on my 68 Road Runner which gave me a few hours to ponder the 69 Charger's upcoming 4spd conversion.  Then it hit me....I'm not sure why...I'm not sure how...but it hit me.  How cool would it be to have a Daytona clone sitting in the driveway?   Funny thing is, I actually dig the Superbirds over the Daytonas, but when in Rome?  So that being said, should I do it?  I know it's my car and do to it what I want, but I'd like to get other's opinions on their cloning decision. Why'd you do it?  How hard was it to do?  We all know it's expensive but from a hobby standpoint, is it a good conversion to attempt?  I've done many 68 Shelby GT500KR clones and do plenty of research before attempting projects like these.  What are your thoughts?  Plus, I figured with Troy right down the street form me and his new red Daytona, it'd be some good inspiration and up close reference.  Right Troy?

Cheers 

[69bronzeT5]

Sure, why not! Got any pictures of your '69? Beautiful Roadrunner by the way. You do have to consider though, Daytona/Superbird clones can get expensive

[Daytona R/T SE]

 I finally got my Daytona conversion done.  

The car is currently in the paint shop.

I'm glad I did it.

I always wanted one.

It was a HUGE amount of work.

It was a royal pain in the ass.  

I'll NEVER do another one.  

You've got to WANT it...

BAD.

[A383Wing]

Yea..what he said above...been there, done that

[hotrod98]

What color is your 68 runner? I have a UU1 Frost blue 68 and a B5 Bright Blue 69.

As for my Daytona clone, it's black and I've been trying to find the time to finish it. 
It hasn't been easy making all of the parts fit and both look and function correctly. You definitely have to want a Daytona clone bad to go through with the build. You'll need the Charger donor car, the 70 Charger front end and then the patience to gather the parts.
We're gathering parts to build my wife a Superbird clone and as soon as it's finished, I'll let you know which one was the easier build. The most difficult things about building a bird are finding a 70 satellite or runner, finding the 70 coronet front end and having to convert the hood.

I'll have the wing braces and front support brackets for sale and we're going to be working on the wing washers very soon.


If you really want one...go for it. 

[roger440]

Iive been thinking about this over the last few days. I keep getting thoughts about the 70 runner that i have

The cost of buying all the parts, decent ones that is, once you start to add it it up is staggering. Never mind the time involved. I think it would be quite easy to spend $20,000 on parts to convert. I will say that i certainly wouldn't fit a fibreglass rear window plug, it would have to be steel, which doesn't help!

Looking at superbird values, buying one is probably out of my reach, but if i build a clone along with the resto and cost of parts, im not sure it makes all that much sense given its likely value on completion

Ok, i know how much its worth shouldn,t be the driving force in the decision, but it does make me wonder if i shouldn't sell my kidney or something and buy a real one.

Does anyone have a view on what a properly executed superbird clone would sell for. Properly restored too, overspray underneath, proper detailing etc?

[billssuperbird]

clone a superbird 

[hemi68charger]

Hey guys,

  Plus, I figured with Troy right down the street form me and his new red Daytona, it'd be some good inspiration and up close reference.  Right Troy?

Cheers 

I'd do it............. But, you'll have to come over to the house, have a beer and realize.............. the car's orange............ 

[hotrod98]

Just put all of your origianl parts in the attic or basement. That way you can always convert the car back if you get tired of the bird. I'll bet you never convert it back. All of the original parts for my 69 RT/SE are  in my basement safe and sound. I'll probably never convert the Daytona clone back. I probably will paint it red though. I'm already tired of it being black and I haven't even finished it yet.

I've been trying to buy a 70 limelight runner from a guy locally for the last two years. The car is solid and would make my superbird build a lot easier. I may have to start offering more cash. Then I can sell my 70 Satellite to offset the additional cost.

[BigBlockSam]

That way you can always convert the car back

after doing all that work,i just can't see converting it back .

yes! if you really want a wing car . then build one . I've never regretted it .

[moparstuart]

That way you can always convert the car back

after doing all that work,i just can't see converting it back .

yes! if you really want a wing car . then build one . I've never regretted it .

[RTDaddy]

I built one, 3 years in the building.  Check Moparstuart's pics from the Winged Warriors meet, mine is the red Daytona.  Always wanted one, had a FEW original parts, found a 69 R/T in a boneyard and went for it.  Like others before have said though, you have to want it, because there will be several days/nights you will walk out of the shop in frustration.  Good luck.

"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

[hotrod98]

Does your red car have a black wing or a white wing?

I'm seriously thinking about sanding my clone back down...yes again... and changing the color to red like I originally planned. The car was originally a triple black car, but the black isn't doing anything for me. I love the red Daytonas. At one point in my life, every vehicle that I owned was red.

A few days ago I had my clone outside in the sun (it was over 100 degrees in the shade) and I accidentally leaned on it and burned the crap out of my arm. If it were red it may have burned me but maybe it would have been first degree burns instead of second degree burns. 

[BigBlockSam]

I'm seriously thinking about sanding my clone back down...yes again...

[Daytona R/T SE]

because there will be several days/nights you will walk out of the shop in frustration.  Good luck.

Not to mention the nights where the Ol' lady gets worried, comes out to the shop well past midnight, finds you curled up under the car in the fetal position sobbing uncontrollably, while mumbling some strange chant over and over again in a language not of this Earth...

[A383Wing]

because there will be several days/nights you will walk out of the shop in frustration.  Good luck.

Not to mention the nights where the Ol' lady gets worried, comes out to the shop well past midnight, finds you curled up under the car in the fetal position sobbing uncontrollably, while mumbling some strange chant over and over again in a language not of this Earth...

Personal experience?? 

[moparstuart]

because there will be several days/nights you will walk out of the shop in frustration.  Good luck.

Not to mention the nights where the Ol' lady gets worried, comes out to the shop well past midnight, finds you curled up under the car in the fetal position sobbing uncontrollably, while mumbling some strange chant over and over again in a language not of this Earth...

[Magnumcharger]

Don't do it man.
Then you'll be just another jerk like all the other Daytona guys!!!

(I wish I was a Daytona jerk..... )

[moparstuart]

Don't do it man.
Then you'll be just another jerk like all the other Daytona guys!!!

(I wish I was a Daytona jerk..... )

get the term right it's daytona bastard

[BigBlockSam]

dam daytona bastards!

[moparstuart]

dam daytona bastards!

I'm only a wanna bee

[hotrod98]

dam daytona bastards!

I'm only a wanna bee

But you're getting there.

[moparstuart]

dam daytona bastards!

I'm only a wanna bee

But you're getting there.

i'm trying but it aint easy , your way closer 

[Magnumcharger]

"Daytona Bastards".....has a real nice sound to it.
Funny, I used to call Hemi guys "Hemi Assholes", for their jerk-wad "holier-than-thou" attitudes.

So, what are you if you have a Hemi Daytona?
The only Hemi Daytona owner I've ever met was real nice guy.

I guess the combined effect cancels each other out?

[hemi68charger]

"Daytona Bastards".....has a real nice sound to it.
Funny, I used to call Hemi guys "Hemi Assholes", for their jerk-wad "holier-than-thou" attitudes.

So, what are you if you have a Hemi Daytona?
The only Hemi Daytona owner I've ever met was real nice guy.

I guess the combined effect cancels each other out?

So, since I gave up a hemi-car for a Daytona, am I a reborn Daytona Bastard now and no longer a "Hemi A-Hole"?   

[Magnumcharger]

"Daytona Bastards".....has a real nice sound to it.
Funny, I used to call Hemi guys "Hemi Assholes", for their jerk-wad "holier-than-thou" attitudes.

So, what are you if you have a Hemi Daytona?
The only Hemi Daytona owner I've ever met was real nice guy.

I guess the combined effect cancels each other out?

So, since I gave up a hemi-car for a Daytona, am I a reborn Daytona Bastard now and no longer a "Hemi A-Hole"?   

You obviously need to trade up to a Hemi Daytona to become absolved.

[hemi68charger]

"Daytona Bastards".....has a real nice sound to it.
Funny, I used to call Hemi guys "Hemi Assholes", for their jerk-wad "holier-than-thou" attitudes.

So, what are you if you have a Hemi Daytona?
The only Hemi Daytona owner I've ever met was real nice guy.

I guess the combined effect cancels each other out?

So, since I gave up a hemi-car for a Daytona, am I a reborn Daytona Bastard now and no longer a "Hemi A-Hole"?   

You obviously need to trade up to a Hemi Daytona to become absolved.

I knew I couldn't get ahead.......... So, like Jim, I need someone else to get a Daytona soon to take over my title of DB......

[hotrod98]

Sounds like...

[68RRFlyer]

Hmmmmm, you guys make an interesting argument and thanks for the observations from the guys currently building clones.  I'm still on the fence.  I want to do the 4spd conversion first and may have stumbled across another car to buy so the winged warrior may be put on the fence.  Man, I never realized how much just the parts alone would be for one of these things but they sure are expensive.  I'll keep you guys posted.  Orange?  Sorry Troy.  After spraying that LL1 down no other colors seem to penetrate into the psyche! I think I coated my corneas   

Cheers   

[Daytona R/T SE]

because there will be several days/nights you will walk out of the shop in frustration.  Good luck.

Not to mention the nights where the Ol' lady gets worried, comes out to the shop well past midnight, finds you curled up under the car in the fetal position sobbing uncontrollably, while mumbling some strange chant over and over again in a language not of this Earth...

Personal experience??  

Yes. 

[BigBlockSam]

Not to mention the nights where the Ol' lady gets worried, comes out to the shop well past midnight, finds you curled up under the car in the fetal position sobbing uncontrollably, while mumbling some strange chant over and over again in a language not of this Earth...

 

i couldn't  get the one light to open all the way  . i took that thing apart at least 15-20 times.i finally had to walk away .
  about 2am ,i can't sleep.frig-en couldn't stop thinking about that light bucket . so there i am at two in the morning outside  messing with the lights .
the next day i took the nose off the car again. that nose was on and off the car about 15-20 times too . threw it in my truck drove almost 2 hours to daytonalo's house . it took him about two hours and he had them working properly .

i could not have built my daytona without help from my friends . some built me parts for a fraction of the price  or helped me assemble the beast . daytona's are  not easy to build properly 

[A383Wing]

Don't do it man.
Then you'll be just another jerk like all the other Daytona guys!!!

(I wish I was a Daytona jerk..... )

Yer a jerk....just Daytona-less      

[Magnumcharger]

Don't do it man.
Then you'll be just another jerk like all the other Daytona guys!!!

(I wish I was a Daytona jerk..... )

Yer a jerk....just Daytona-less    

And Hemi-less jerk as well....

[Ghoste]

Wow, you must be nearly suicidal.

[Blown70]

Hmmmmm, you guys make an interesting argument and thanks for the observations from the guys currently building clones.  I'm still on the fence.  I want to do the 4spd conversion first and may have stumbled across another car to buy so the winged warrior may be put on the fence.  Man, I never realized how much just the parts alone would be for one of these things but they sure are expensive.  I'll keep you guys posted.  Orange?  Sorry Troy.  After spraying that LL1 down no other colors seem to penetrate into the psyche! I think I coated my corneas   

Cheers   

Well I can attest to the parts cost.  I have wing (dane's) Braces (larry) and the hard ware (larry) make for the support ont he front.  Have vega hatch and 73-4, drip rail, and trunk close out (gene gregory).  Still need all the front of the car parts,   big things beingn NOSE (and associated parts) wing washers,(could make) Z-braces, spoiler, lights, on and on....... $$$ still to spend.

[moparstuart]

Hmmmmm, you guys make an interesting argument and thanks for the observations from the guys currently building clones.  I'm still on the fence.  I want to do the 4spd conversion first and may have stumbled across another car to buy so the winged warrior may be put on the fence.  Man, I never realized how much just the parts alone would be for one of these things but they sure are expensive.  I'll keep you guys posted.  Orange?  Sorry Troy.  After spraying that LL1 down no other colors seem to penetrate into the psyche! I think I coated my corneas   

Cheers   

Well I can attest to the parts cost.  I have wing (dane's) Braces (larry) and the hard ware (larry) make for the support ont he front.  Have vega hatch and 73-4, drip rail, and trunk close out (gene gregory).  Still need all the front of the car parts,   big things beingn NOSE (and associated parts) wing washers,(could make) Z-braces, spoiler, lights, on and on....... $$$ still to spend.

we are in thesame boat 

[A383Wing]

we are in thesame boat 

Is the name on the boat "Titanic"? 

[Blown70]

Except STUART you got you a wing car.....

[66chargerkid]

Most of one anyways

[hotrod98]

Most of one anyways

Oh, I get it now. 

[moparstuart]

Except STUART you got you a wing car.....

yeah that one was alot easier to build too ( even if it took me 11 years )  , trying to find a steel nose and load it up with the good/correct durable parts is not easy or cheap .  

[A383Wing]

Most of one anyways

Oh, I get it now. 

Just a little "slooooowwwww" are ya?? 

I typed real slow, just for you