Is this guy smoking crack, or is this worth the price??

[jb666]

 

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/1278938153.html

"we are accepting offers over $112,000" 

[Charger-Bodie]

That one is not worth that.IMHO

[maxwellwedge]

Depends how much cash there is in the glove box. 

[XS29J8]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

[GN]

Smoking crack or meth.

[maxwellwedge]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

That is about 99,000 cars after a pilot car.

[XS29J8]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

That is about 99,000 cars after a pilot car.

  I didn't realize they built that many 69 Chargers in the first few days, seems like all the HEMI 4spd Chargers were supposed to be Charger 500s before the standard HEMI R/T Chargers were alowed to be built/ordered.............I have an aquaintance who couldn't order one for delivery by Sept of 69, he wanted a 68 anyway and that's where mine came from.

XS

[maxwellwedge]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

That is about 99,000 cars after a pilot car.

  I didn't realize they built that many 69 Chargers in the first few days, seems like all the HEMI 4spd Chargers were supposed to be Charger 500s before the standard HEMI R/T Chargers were alowed to be built/ordered.............I have an aquaintance who couldn't order one for delivery by Sept of 69, he wanted a 68 anyway and that's where mine came from.

XS

Maybe not, but look at the VIN again it's a 440 car.     

[XS29J8]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

That is about 99,000 cars after a pilot car.

  I didn't realize they built that many 69 Chargers in the first few days, seems like all the HEMI 4spd Chargers were supposed to be Charger 500s before the standard HEMI R/T Chargers were alowed to be built/ordered.............I have an aquaintance who couldn't order one for delivery by Sept of 69, he wanted a 68 anyway and that's where mine came from.

XS

Maybe not, but look at the VIN again it's a 440 car.     

duh!! need a few of these before I check this site out.......glad I wasn't bidding!!

[1969chargerrtse]

There is so much wrong with that car being sold for that money I don't know where to start?  Almost looks like my car when the rear stripe was stupid looking with the emblems on the stripe.  The engine compartment is not close to a 100,000 dollar car in detail.

[maxwellwedge]

What's with the early build date?? Pilot car or normal build...........

That is about 99,000 cars after a pilot car.

  I didn't realize they built that many 69 Chargers in the first few days, seems like all the HEMI 4spd Chargers were supposed to be Charger 500s before the standard HEMI R/T Chargers were alowed to be built/ordered.............I have an aquaintance who couldn't order one for delivery by Sept of 69, he wanted a 68 anyway and that's where mine came from.

XS

Maybe not, but look at the VIN again it's a 440 car.     

duh!! need a few of these before I check this site out.......glad I wasn't bidding!!

No probs - any excuse to have  is ok with me!

[SeattleCharger]

its a beaty of a car, but not original,   its gotta be worth a lot, but jeez, come on.

   they have been watching too much Berret Jackson

[68X426]

Real nice car. I called 1-888-BEST-CRACK and they said you should go for it.

My guestimate is 30k if there's lots of history and they throw in the old 440.

[vancamp]

my guesstimate is $30 grand in todays market

[SeattleCharger]

  Where are the seat belts?    

[mopar73]

They are out there in la la land

[G-man]

LOL!

Missing seat belts, my car for 20k was missing seat belts. 112k.... I can get my car medium blasted, sprayed show quality, brand new billet alloy wheels, hoosier tires, 528 ALL alloy Hemi with dual dominators, custom dash, brand new leather interior, dana 60 rear end, 6 speed viper gearbox for that price. I bet It could even sell for 100k+ in that condition. Why the hell pay for that when I can get all the above for that price.

The guy isnt smoking crack, hes way past even knowing how to do that.  

PS: get rid of those hideous Y spinners off the wheels.

[1969chargerrtse]

Over 100k and you take a picture and post it with tail lamp bulbs burnt out?  What's that say for the rest of the car?

[Mike DC]

    
For $112,000 you'd think it would come with the rubber pad on the clutch pedal, too.

[PocketThunder]

I think that car is for sale on every craigslist city available.   

[69bronzeT5]

Definitley not worth it. Maybe if it was a real Hemi car that was better done but not for a 440 car with a Hemi in it and some work needed to be done to boot. The seats looked messed up. R/T emblem on the stripe...things like that. However, I like the idea of the R/T emblem on the dash

[charge-it]

Must of used the long a body style exhaust tips. Great to use as a step up for shorter folks who can't reach into the trunk...112K ya right, I can buy a real 68 HEMI GTX, 4 speed, dana car for 75K right now and that car is done right and correct.

[chargergirl]

Hit the Craiglist link and the ad has been flagged for removal.

[jerry]

i find it amazing that you of all people are knocking someone else's car and prices. you need to look into a mirror .

[69bronzeT5]

i find it amazing that you of all people are knocking someone else's car and prices. you need to look into a mirror .

Just a guess but your car for sale?

[jerry]

no , i have  rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars that ............................besides if the owner had any since he would have spray painted 01 on the doors and a flag on the roof then he would have already sold the car. don't yah think?

[jb666]

I think that car is for sale on every craigslist city available.   

I think you're right... I've seen it around.

[skip68]

 

[mikepmcs]

no , i have  rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars that ............................besides if the owner had any since he would have spray painted 01 on the doors and a flag on the roof then he would have already sold the car. don't yah think?

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement considering quite a few of us have used AMD panels.   I could take the context of this statement and make the assumption, that, it is directed solely at one particular individual who has spent quite a bit of sweat and tears and $$ bringing his car back from the abyss.  I, as well as, everyone following that thread happen to know that he used some serious AMD metal so what you are saying is that his car is not a 1969 Dodge Charger but now just a replica of a 69 Charger made in Taiwan.... come on.  I normally steer from the negative and it really takes a bunch to get me going but that statement above is just idiotic, Congratulations Jerry, you got a rise out of me.  Sorry guys, anyone from now on that does not use 100% factory sheet metal, made in the USA, no longer has an American made Charger, Jerry said. 
I've heard/read it all now.

Mike

[skip68]

IMO, the factory sheet metal sucks.   That's why most of these cars have rust and there is a need for new metal.     My car is 100% original metal too so I guess I'm the coolest in the trailer park.     NOW, bow before me as I am a sheet metal GOD.....   

[Ghoste]

But since a lot of the sheet metal in China came from the great American scrapyard sell off of recent years wouldn't it technically still be American metal just recycled and reshaped offshore?   

[skip68]

If I find out that my carpet was made in some other country I'm going to be pissed.      This car is not worth having anymore.   

[jerry]

 

[Ghoste]

Our cars are all downtown Toronto. 

[jb666]

Our cars are all downtown Toronto. 

Not mine, I got the ghetto version.. Mine's straight outa Compton.

[SeattleCharger]

uhh, I'm new here, I thought they were made in Detroit?   

[Ghoste]

So did we but apparently the country of origin for your reproduction sheet metal can change all that.  Add in all those other foreign sourced replacement items and it isn't long until you have a cultural melting pot on wheels. 

[SeattleCharger]

I wonder where the steel used in detroit in 1968 came from?   Don't we import a lot of steel today?  like from China or something?      seriously, I really don't know what I am talking about 

[Shakey]

For a product to be considered "American Made", 60% of the product's cost must be US content and final assembly must take place in the United States.

Buy America Act 1936

[1969chargerrtse]

We all know I love my Charger but I say it the way it is ( or I think it is  ). I found the sheet metal on my Charger to be a weaker or thinner grade than I've seen on the GM and Ford cars of the same era. Add much less panel and door undercoatings and I see why the Mopars seem to rust sooner and are so rare. I can take a needle nose pliers and just bend and twist the metal my car is made of ( I did it while drilling holes to access the PW motor bolts ). It may be the same grade but I do think the sheetmetal is of a thinner gauge? That's my findings anyway. But there ain't nothing better than these American Detroit classics.

[moparstuart]

We all knowI love my Charger but I say it the way it is. I found the sheet metal on my Charger to be a weaker or thinner grade than I've seen on the GM cars of the same era. Add much less panel and door undercoatings and I see why the Mopars seem to rust sooner and are so rare. I can take a needle nose pliers and just bend and twist the metal my car is made of. It may be the same grade but I do think the sheetmetal is of a thinner gauge?  That's my findings anyway. But there ain't nothing better than these American Detroit classics.

[1969chargerrtse]

We all knowI love my Charger but I say it the way it is. I found the sheet metal on my Charger to be a weaker or thinner grade than I've seen on the GM cars of the same era. Add much less panel and door undercoatings and I see why the Mopars seem to rust sooner and are so rare. I can take a needle nose pliers and just bend and twist the metal my car is made of. It may be the same grade but I do think the sheetmetal is of a thinner gauge?  That's my findings anyway. But there ain't nothing better than these American Detroit classics.

Gee let me guess, you disagree?  I knew that would go over well.   I was leaning on my fender one day and it popped in  I'm happy to say there was no crease marks but I was surprised how easy it popped inward.

[jb666]

Well, I can tell you this... Nowadays you're lucky to find ANYTHING "made in the USA". There are more Toyota's being built in the USA than GM's for God's sake  Look at the Toyota plant in Texas, WOW!! 

I don't care where my panels came from. Yugoslavia, India, China or The Moon, the car's 100% solid and back to it's factory condition. So the metal(and tooling?) came from Taiwan. Big deal, where do you think they buy the metal that gets recycled and turned into these panels? Here..   So like everything else "American made",  AMD panels might come from outside the US, but my car's been assembled, built, and completed in the US. Good enough for me!! Jerry should spend more time wondering why he's got no friends. 

[1969chargerrtse]

Well, I can tell you this... Nowadays you're lucky to find ANYTHING "made in the USA". There are more Toyota's being built in the USA than GM's for God's sake  Look at the Toyota plant in Texas, WOW!! 

I don't care where my panels came from. Yugoslavia, India, China or The Moon, the car's 100% solid and back to it's factory condition. So the metal(and tooling?) came from Taiwan. Big deal, where do you think they buy the metal that gets recycled and turned into these panels? Here..   So like everything else "American made",  AMD panels might come from outside the US, but my car's been assembled, built, and completed in the US. Good enough for me!! Jerry should spend more time wondering why he's got no friends. 

Anyone worried about china stuff on their car is silly.  I got repro parts.  Big woop.  Beats spending 10 times as much for N.O.S stuff.  Let the next owner throw out the china stuff and pay the bucks to replace the parts.  As long as it looks good, I'm cool. 

[maxwellwedge]

We all knowI love my Charger but I say it the way it is. I found the sheet metal on my Charger to be a weaker or thinner grade than I've seen on the GM cars of the same era. Add much less panel and door undercoatings and I see why the Mopars seem to rust sooner and are so rare. I can take a needle nose pliers and just bend and twist the metal my car is made of. It may be the same grade but I do think the sheetmetal is of a thinner gauge?  That's my findings anyway. But there ain't nothing better than these American Detroit classics.

Gee let me guess, you disagree?  I knew that would go over well.   I was leaning on my fender one day and it popped in   I'm happy to say there was no crease marks but I was surprised how easy it popped inward.

Dude - I think your car was one of the rare, original acid-dipped S/Stock lightweights!   My B-Bodies are stronger than strong. Now - If you are talking Challenger fender tops - they get all kinked up if you fart within 3 feet of them!     

[1969chargerrtse]

We all knowI love my Charger but I say it the way it is. I found the sheet metal on my Charger to be a weaker or thinner grade than I've seen on the GM cars of the same era. Add much less panel and door undercoatings and I see why the Mopars seem to rust sooner and are so rare. I can take a needle nose pliers and just bend and twist the metal my car is made of. It may be the same grade but I do think the sheetmetal is of a thinner gauge?  That's my findings anyway. But there ain't nothing better than these American Detroit classics.

Gee let me guess, you disagree?  I knew that would go over well.   I was leaning on my fender one day and it popped in   I'm happy to say there was no crease marks but I was surprised how easy it popped inward.

Dude - I think your car was one of the rare, original acid-dipped S/Stock lightweights!   My B-Bodies are stronger than strong. Now - If you are talking see pic )Challenger fender tops - they get all kinked up if you fart within 3 feet of them!    

I'm just betting the gauge of steel used on the Mopars was thinner than the other 2 big brands. Anyone here in a body shop ever measure the difference?  My buddies door on his 71 GTO weighs about twice as much as my door and is rock solid whereas mine has a echo light weight sound to it ?
Also, how can the new Challenger which is smaller than the Charger, weigh in at about 4,200lbs and the hugh 69 Charger which is about 18 ft long and holding a huge cast Iron V8 weigh about 3,600ish lbs?
Something ain't right?  

[1969chargerrtse]

Well I called AMD and the guy there said he thinks all 3 companies used the same 18 gauge. The only reason then that I can think of for the weight and solid feel on the GMs verses the Mopars is the thick undercoating that was sprayed on all the GM panels. My Charger doors and deck lid have a tin sound when shut compared to other cars I have seen and owned. My 69 Camaro door had a very thick tar type coating sprayed across the entire inner door steel where as the Charger has a thin 6" path at the lower base inside the door skin.   I dunno? Or really care.

[SeattleCharger]

??  I don't know, the door on my 68 felt pretty dang heavy to me, definately not tin sounding, very solid and stout, metal seemed plenty thick to me,  don't know about fenders.

   so 18 guage isn't a measure of how thick the metal is?

[69bronzeT5]

no , i have rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars

Some of us can't afford NOS sheetmetal or rust free cars like you obviously can. I know I can't. I have a rusty '69 and there is no way I can afford to restore it without using AMD metal. Who cares if I'll have Taiwan sheet metal on my car, it still means there will be another '69 out roaming the streets. I guess you haven't noticed since your head is so far up your ass.

[1969chargerrtse]

no , i have rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars

Some of us can't afford NOS sheetmetal or rust free cars like you obviously can. I know I can't. I have a rusty '69 and there is no way I can afford to restore it without using AMD metal. Who cares if I'll have Taiwan sheet metal on my car, it still means there will be another '69 out roaming the streets. I guess you haven't noticed since your head is so far up your ass.

Dang I never seen you talk like that before. 

[1969chargerrtse]

??  I don't know, the door on my 68 felt pretty dang heavy to me, definately not tin sounding, very solid and stout, metal seemed plenty thick to me,  don't know about fenders.

   so 18 guage isn't a measure of how thick the metal is?

I remember back in 71 my buddies 69 SE, and closing the deck lid for him and being surprised how empty tinny it sounded?  Maybe it's just me?
I had said the AMD guy said he thought all 3 companies used 18 gauge thick sheetmetal.

[SeattleCharger]

ok.     thanks.    ya, the trunk lid seems thin.  but it seems about like the trunk lid on a 71 camaro I had.  so I don't know.     if 18 guage is thickness, and they all used it, wonder why the weight difference?  the fender on the 68 I had did seem to sound strange when I rapped on it with knuckles, I wondered if the entire thing was bondo or what, didn't try the magnet thing, but it didn't seem like thick steel or anything,  I was just saying that the door seemed pretty heavy.          So why the big weight difference of the 2 cars?   

[Rolling_Thunder]

you guys got that tinny sound from doors and deck lids and hoods ?     I'll tell you what i have noticed about my Charger vs. my brother's 66 Chevelle....       the tinny sound comes from the fact that it appears mopars use a thicker / heavier skeletal structure that gets seam sealer between it and the skin of the panels...     the Chevelle has a more "integrated" structure with what look like spot welds rather than the seam sealer to join the two...          the doors on the chevelle are a lot thinner (outside skin to inside skin)  and use a multipiece design welded together where as the Charger's door is a ton wider and more like "stamped" pieces (like 2) that are joined together - not about 6 or 7 like the Chevelle's   ---   that greater open space inside the door also adds to the echo effect...

Overall my take on repo sheet metal...        I talked to a buddy of mine who works for Oakley (sunglass company) and he told me something interesting...    he states that 95% of their products are made overseas...      5% are fully made in the USA due to their military usage (XX Frames and Juliettes and such are therefore made both in the USA and overseas depending on public or military sales) - he stated the overseas products are done twice as fast, better quality, and 3 times as cheap...         So I view it as if the only place that will make the parts we needs is china or taiwan then so be it...       i'll buy it until a company makes them 100% made in USA for the same price and the same quality.

[TUFCAT]

no , i have rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars

Some of us can't afford NOS sheetmetal or rust free cars like you obviously can. I know I can't. I have a rusty '69 and there is no way I can afford to restore it without using AMD metal. Who cares if I'll have Taiwan sheet metal on my car, it still means there will be another '69 out roaming the streets. I guess you haven't noticed since your head is so far up your ass.

Cody, stop eating those Pop Tarts before going to bed. 

[G-man]

All this over american made steel or china steel.

Steel comes from the earth. So doesnt matter where it comes from. Metal is metal.

Next

Howabout the man with NOS pannels and the man with REPRO pannels turn your cars on, go out your driveway and cause an accident.

Guess what?

BOTH of you will be replacing the pannels. Just the man with NOS will be thousands in the rear compare to the guy with repro pannels AND goodluck finding more NOS parts to replace with.

Considering that fact. The steel used makes jack shit difference. If you crash your replacing.

If you dont crash, both look identical.

Glad I can bring you back from that parallel universe you live in that makes NOS parts not dmg in car accidents etc as to why its so much better to have them

[SeattleCharger]

you know, that actually makes sense   

[1969chargerrtse]

Metal is not metal. There are many different grades and strengths. China products are normally junk compared to the products we produce. China rubber products disinagrate within a short period of time compared to the products we produce. Look at their cheap thin boxes they ship things in?  ( Paper is not paper ) Of coures NOS is the way to go but sometimes the product is not worth the price. I'm sure the AMD panels are just fine in this case, but steel is not all the same.

[G-man]

Yeah maybe the steel is manufactured differently as to why its junk from there. But like I said from a reality perspective, neither grade will protect your car in a car accident, so from a realistic point of view (not theory on paper), neither 1 makes any difference at all except 1 makes your wallet dry and next to imppossible to find another of the same sort to replace with.

Btw - when AMD started i heard everything is made in the US (from the amd guy that posted here months ago about them starting up), propper original gauge steel like from the factory, totaly made in the US etc etc.... ?

[jb666]

no , i have rust free real 69's. 100% real factory sheet metal not 99% real taiwan cars

Some of us can't afford NOS sheetmetal or rust free cars like you obviously can. I know I can't. I have a rusty '69 and there is no way I can afford to restore it without using AMD metal. Who cares if I'll have Taiwan sheet metal on my car, it still means there will be another '69 out roaming the streets. I guess you haven't noticed since your head is so far up your ass.

Cody -- You have to realize, Jerry's an old man who's very set in his ways. He's obviously lonely, stubborn and knows everything there is to know about everything. Arguing with a person like that is like laying on your back and pissing all over yourself. It gets you no where. People like him, in real life, are nothing. They walk around in their own little world spewing facts that they've read. In fact, I'm fairly certain that if he owns a Charger at all, it sits in his garage and never gets used.  I picture him being like this guy 

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[68X426]

 

[chargergirl]

Metal is not metal. There are many different grades and strengths. China products are normally junk compared to the products we produce. China rubber products disinagrate within a short period of time compared to the products we produce. Look at their cheap thin boxes they ship things in?  ( Paper is not paper ) Of coures NOS is the way to go but sometimes the product is not worth the price. I'm sure the AMD panels are just fine in this case, but steel is not all the same.

My father used to work for Hawaii Cane & Sugar (HC&S) and helped install the CB radios in the trucks that had to go out in the field. On the American made models the radios could be mounted without reinforcement. However in the imports the radios would start to rip themselves from the bottom of the dash, metal, where they were installed. (They got creative and designed a bracket). Metal is metal, yes, but the "grades" make a world of difference. AMD is supposed to be manufactured here...will check that fact.