This will be the new hero car...

[Magnumcharger]

And by "Hero" ...I mean THE car that kids of this age will aspire to own when they get big enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfkQ11amj0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Eca%2Fvideosearch%3Fsource%3Dig%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ%5FENCA249%26q%3Dhallelujah%26lr%3D%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF%2D8%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwv&feature=player_embedded

So you General Lee guys....your time in the sun is about to fade to black.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Damn! Them things is ugly !

[BigBlockSam]

Damn! Them things is ugly ! eek

   

[Magnumcharger]

Yup...I agree.
However, we all put the blinders on very easily when we're impressed by the indestructible "mythical" capabilities of a car, and even more so when there's a hot babe hanging around it.
I remember when I first saw the GL back when I was 14.
I saw that fuggly push bar and thought "who in their right mind would put that on a Charger"?
Now people willfully put one on their Chargers, just to be the same. Not to mention dyeing their interiors, scrounging vector wheels and painting their cars chevrolet orange.
There's a lot of young impressionable minds sucking in the Bumblebee message. And GM is banking on it too!

[mopar0166]

seems like you get more for you money on the new camaro, Ive been going back and forth on the challenger and camaro.  dodge isn't trying to sell you some thing that great for 35K  chevy is with the SS2 trim pak

decision decisions

on the other hand not to tangent from the topic,  i have seen a recent interest in the older bumblebee camaro, because kids cant buy the newer camaro yet

[4forty]

Ugly? what are you smokin?    I think that Camaro is great looking, real aggressive & tough. Obviously it's no classic Charger but that car, for the price, the performance (even with the V6) and the looks you can't beat it, and I'm definitely no Chevy lover, until now. Just in case you need a refresher course in UGLY I've attached a pic to help you out.  ugly?..........

[Mike DC]

Yup.  Old, new, whatever . . . don't underestimate the appeal of a Hollywood fantasy car striking kids at impressionable ages.  



Hey, it could be a ricer.  I'll take an example of honest-to-God RWD V8 Detroit muscle influencing kids over the neon'd up 4-bangers any day.

[elanmars]

dukes of hazzard had more plot and was way smarter than those transformers movies.

i really don't think the transformers movies have had as big an impact as the dukes of hazzard and the general lee. sure, both are dumb entertainment but at least the dukes had some sort of message, whereas transformers is just complete nonsense, a script that they make up as they go along, boom boom boom no depth, no anything. yeah, I know-it's an action movie but that doesn't mean it has to be diarreah. remember predator? dark knight? aliens? hard boiled?  heat? etc. etc.

[Magnumcharger]

Yup...I enjoyed DOH when I was a kid....and to be honest, it's probably what kick-started my Charger lust!
But kids these days, well, are they going to enjoy 30 year old re-runs, and 40 year old cars verses something current, well promoted and as "in your face" (ie: toys, product promotion) as the Transformer franchise is going to be? It's only just begun.
I predict: DUKEFEST TRANSFORMERFEST!

[b5blue]

It's hard to be a hero broke down on the side of the road!  (sorry I can't help taking pot shots at Chebbies)

[Magnumcharger]

So much for this thread.

[lisiecki1]

the best looking new camaro i've seen is at: http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15090

[moparstuart]

the best looking new camaro i've seen is at: http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15090

I have to agree   

[bull]

There's a lot of young impressionable minds sucking in the Bumblebee message. And GM is banking on it too!

The GL thing didn't save Chrysler from Chapter 11, I don't see BumbleBee doing it for GM either...


4forty, I thought the Camaro was pretty good looking too until I saw one in person. Although it didn't totally ruin it for me it certainly gave it a backseat to many other cars. The Challenger looks much better.

[Khyron]

dukes of hazzard had more plot and was way smarter than those transformers movies.

you're kidding right.... honestly.... you have GOT to be doing satire. Like when you call a fat guy slim.... thats what your doing right?

[dpm68]

you're kidding right.... honestly.... you have GOT to be doing satire. Like when you call a fat guy slim.... thats what your doing right?

And it's more painful to note that James Best, aka Roscoe, was a Juilliard-trained actor. I get better character definition and  plots from Adam West-era Batman reruns.

[4forty]

I guess I assumed that since we own Chargers we all have great taste in car design!   LOL!......Seen them both  in person, As much as I like the new Challenger it is kinda slab sided compared to the edgier Camaro. I think GM did everything right with the car, even the Transfomers version looked kiss-ass rolling up on screen, it was the only saving grace in a LONG movie for me! It's not gonna save GM on it's own but it's a big step in the right direction along with the new Caddy CTS-V. Different strokes I guess.

[moparstuart]

I guess I assumed that since we own Chargers we all have great taste in car design!   LOL!......Seen them both  in person, As much as I like the new Challenger it is kinda slab sided compared to the edgier Camaro. I think GM did everything right with the car, even the Transfomers version looked kiss-ass rolling up on screen, it was the only saving grace in a LONG movie for me! It's not gonna save GM on it's own but it's a big step in the right direction along with the new Caddy CTS-V. Different strokes I guess.

we can agree to disagree but the camaro is butt ugly and the interior is even worse    

[b5blue]

I think we all agree the best body in that movie was was a FOX platform.....

[JT01]

The GENERAL LEE will always be the most famous and regonized car. I like Camaros I have owned 12 and have a 71 SS right now but I cant stand the new ones there ugly and the Chevy lots around here cant seem to get rid of theres.

[PocketThunder]

I think we all agree the best body in that movie was was a FOX platform.....

            

[mikepmcs]

She's got the hammer thumbs though.  It kind of ruined it for me when I found that out.  Can't date her now, she isn't perfect.

Quite arguably one of the prettiest woman in the industry.

As far as this Camaro being in the same league as the Dukes GL, I say no way.  DOH, television show many years, and multiple movies, undoubtedly the most recognized paint scheme and car in the world, period.  Transformers or whatever it's called. 2 movies, no tv show, yellow car with stripes, flash in the pan.  There is no comparison. Your disdain for the Gl is obvious.
Good try though.

I'm not saying anything negative about the camaro, just do not agree with your statement in the slightest.  Advantage "General Lee" (I think he'll win this war)
   

[Mike DC]

  

Oh yeah, the GL won't be knocked off the top of the platform any time soon.  


I just agree that Bumblebee is a new automotive icon that will have a real presence to be felt.  We haven't had a whole lotta additions to the competition in the last few years.  The original Fast & Furious and the Gone in 60 seconds remake are just about the only things even on the list lately. (Those two are already 8 and 9 years old!)

[Daytona R/T SE]

Ugly? what are you smokin?    I think that Camaro is great looking, real aggressive & tough. Obviously it's no classic Charger but that car, for the price, the performance (even with the V6) and the looks you can't beat it, and I'm definitely no Chevy lover, until now. Just in case you need a refresher course in UGLY I've attached a pic to help you out.  ugly?..........

Yes, It's Ugly. From the front it looks like it's got the face of a Jack-o-lantern.

[bull]

She's got the hammer thumbs though.  It kind of ruined it for me when I found that out.  Can't date her now, she isn't perfect.

I bet her second toes are longer than her big toes too.

[Khyron]

I bet her second toes are longer than her big toes too.

wait, what? they're not suppost to be?


MOM YOU LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[elanmars]

dukes of hazzard had more plot and was way smarter than those transformers movies.

you're kidding right.... honestly.... you have GOT to be doing satire. Like when you call a fat guy slim.... thats what your doing right?

are you saying Michael Bay movies have more than just explosions, slick cinematography and pretty people? you have GOT to be doing satire.

[Mike DC]

Are you saying Michael Bay movies have more than just explosions, slick cinematography and pretty people?  You have GOT to be doing satire!

Check this out.  Michael Bay eating his morning breakfast cereal:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXGWZxI9lAs

[1969chargerrtse]

I guess I assumed that since we own Chargers we all have great taste in car design!   LOL!......Seen them both  in person, As much as I like the new Challenger it is kinda slab sided compared to the edgier Camaro. I think GM did everything right with the car, even the Transfomers version looked kiss-ass rolling up on screen, it was the only saving grace in a LONG movie for me! It's not gonna save GM on it's own but it's a big step in the right direction along with the new Caddy CTS-V. Different strokes I guess.

Very well said.

[Landonsrt]

Ugly? what are you smokin?    I think that Camaro is great looking, real aggressive & tough. Obviously it's no classic Charger but that car, for the price, the performance (even with the V6) and the looks you can't beat it, and I'm definitely no Chevy lover, until now. Just in case you need a refresher course in UGLY I've attached a pic to help you out.  ugly?..........

I agree 100%. But of course, Im a chevy lover too.

[Magnumcharger]

Please!! No more out-of-the-closet Chevy guys!!!

[Khyron]

Please!! No more out-of-the-closet Chevy guys!!!

Pontiac luver here

[Fitz73Chrgr]

You guys are all nuts.  The new Camaro is wicked. 

On a side note, I saw a 2010 Mustang for the first time two nights ago.     Badass.

[lisiecki1]

You guys are all smart.  The new Camaro is a pile of crap. 

On a side note, I saw a 2010 Mustang for the first time two nights ago.     Badass.

fixed.   

[Magnumcharger]

Please!! No more out-of-the-closet Chevy guys!!!

Pontiac luver here

Huh? Wuzzat?

[moparstuart]

You guys are all nuts.  The new Camaro is wicked. 

On a side note, I saw a 2010 Mustang for the first time two nights ago.     Badass.

ford did the mustang right and true to the original , GM is way off the mark on the camaro 

[lisiecki1]

You guys are all nuts.  The new Camaro is wicked. 

On a side note, I saw a 2010 Mustang for the first time two nights ago.     Badass.

ford did the mustang right and true to the original , GM is way off the mark on the camaro 

i agree

[Magnumcharger]

I like the new Mustang, Camaro and Challenger.
I don't like the Charger.
And that's just a cryin' shame....

[mopar73]

I saw a couple in person the other day and they didn't really do anything for me, however they did sound nice

[moparstuart]

I saw a couple in person the other day and they didn't really do anything for me, however they did sound nice

i will agree with that they sound mean

[elanmars]

You guys are all nuts.  The new Camaro is wicked. 

On a side note, I saw a 2010 Mustang for the first time two nights ago.     Badass.

ford did the mustang right and true to the original , GM is way off the mark on the camaro 

it hurts we can't say the same about the Charger...

[Todd Wilson]

I saw a couple in person the other day and they didn't really do anything for me, however they did sound nice

Thats how I was when I saw them.   They look like new 2 door Caddys with a stripe and bright color.


Todd

[oldrock]

I'm new to the old charger scene since I just recently bought one for my son. However, I was heavily into the 60s muscle car scene back in my highschool and college days. I had a 69 fastback mustang and friends had most of the other hotrods. Regarding the new "old school" designs, I think the mustang looks most like the originals. I was very disappointed in the HP department though. For today, putting 300hp V8 in their high end muscle car just seems weak. THe camaro with a V6 gets 300hp and can still give you high 20s gas mileage. Although the new camaro doesn't look like the old ones, I think it is the one i would pick between it and the mustang. As for the charger, I have rented them and all I can say is it sure didn't seem like a muscle car to me. I haven't tried a challenger yet but they do look pretty cool. Just seems they are priced crazy expensive compared to the camaros and mustangs.

It is time for me to get a new car and believe it or not, I am considering a V6 camaro. I am thinking 27mpg isn't bad at all for a 300HP V6 in a pretty sporty looking package. Now I just wonder when the V6 versions will start hitting the showroom floors in numbers. I am thinking a V6 camaro 2LT would be a fun 300HP drive that won't make me go broke if gas gets back up to $4/gallon.

[Mike DC]

  

The Mustang may be the only one of these retro-rides that is genuinely a performance car and not just a drag racer.  In that sense it is more true to the Mustang's roots.  Whereas the 2010 Camaro is a great car that should have been called a Chevelle.  The Challegers were always similar to what they are now, for good and bad.



The simple fact is the Camaro and Challenger have obesity problems.  I know the topic has been beaten to death but it's true.  You can band-aid an overweight car's handling/braking/launching problems with HUGE tire contact patches and swaybars the diameter of tree trunks, but the problem is still there.  As soon as you lose traction, all that mass is right there to drift the car into the next zip code before it slows down enough to regain traction again.  This is unforgiving and it's not what a "sports car" is supposed to be like.  

The original 1960s american musclecars had this problem too, but it was so much less of an extent.  The modern versions' weight increases have taken the issue from an annoyance in the 1960s to much more of deal-breaker for a sports car buff now.  

     

[Landonsrt]

Im sorry but i think all they did was get the mustang closer looking to the 70's models that i cant stand. I think its a step backwards. I like the last body better.

I will give it props for having a solid rear axle and still kickin the camaro and challenger's ass in handling and skid pad.

[TheGhost]

I'd rather have an old Camaro Bumblebee than a new Camaro Bumblebee.


But, then, I'd rather have any Mopar, Pontiac, or Ford muscle/pony car over a Camaro, any day of the week.

[mauve66]

transformers have been around for 20 YEARS as toys and cartoons, they already have a huge following, they didn't show up 4-5 years ago like some of you seem to think, my eighteen year old still remembers playing with them, the recent movies are only extensions of his childhood.  i don't think it will have the following of the DOH but we haven't seen a weekly TV show out of it either.  now he still prefers older muscle cars for now but wait 5 years when he gets a better paying job/used camaro prices are alot lower and i wouldn't be surprised to see him get one, face it, its just like the old days, mopar is more expensive and fewer seen on the streets everyday so its only natural for people to migrate towards the mustang and camaro these days.  even back in 87 when muscle car prices were sky high i couldn't afford one so i got an 81 Z28 cause all mopar had was front wheel drive

[Mike DC]

5 and 10 years ago I was saying that Transformers would make an awesome movie with CGI effects so you could do it live action.  At the time my friends thought I was nuts.  They said it's just an old kids cartoon that nobody would be very into today.  It's safe to say I got the last laugh on that one.