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Jeremy Clarkson reviews the new Insight Hybrid

Started by KS71owner, June 29, 2009, 11:20:41 PM

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KS71owner

Sorry to paste the copy here, but all the links to Times UK were down on my end. This is worth it though.  :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

Much has been written about the Insight, Honda's new low-priced hybrid. We've been told how much carbon dioxide it produces, how its dashboard encourages frugal driving by glowing green when you're easy on the throttle and how it is the dawn of all things. The beginning of days.

So far, though, you have not been told what it's like as a car; as a tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to place.

So here goes. It's terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst new car money can buy. It's the first car I've ever considered crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn't have to drive it any more.

The biggest problem, and it's taken me a while to work this out, because all the other problems are so vast and so cancerous, is the gearbox. For reasons known only to itself, Honda has fitted the Insight with something called constantly variable transmission (CVT).


It doesn't work. Put your foot down in a normal car and the revs climb in tandem with the speed. In a CVT car, the revs spool up quickly and then the speed rises to match them. It feels like the clutch is slipping. It feels horrid.

And the sound is worse. The Honda's petrol engine is a much-shaved, built-for-economy, low-friction 1.3 that, at full chat, makes a noise worse than someone else's crying baby on an airliner. It's worse than the sound of your parachute failing to open. Really, to get an idea of how awful it is, you'd have to sit a dog on a ham slicer.

So you're sitting there with the engine screaming its head off, and your ears bleeding, and you're doing only 23mph because that's about the top speed, and you're thinking things can't get any worse, and then they do because you run over a small piece of grit.

Because the Honda has two motors, one that runs on petrol and one that runs on batteries, it is more expensive to make than a car that has one. But since the whole point of this car is that it could be sold for less than Toyota's Smugmobile, the engineers have plainly peeled the suspension components to the bone. The result is a ride that beggars belief.

There's more. Normally, Hondas feel as though they have been screwed together by eye surgeons. This one, however, feels as if it's been made from steel so thin, you could read through it. And the seats, finished in pleblon, are designed specifically, it seems, to ruin your skeleton. This is hairy-shirted eco-ism at its very worst.

However, as a result of all this, prices start at £15,490 — that's £3,000 or so less than the cost of the Prius. But at least with the Toyota there is no indication that you're driving a car with two motors. In the Insight you are constantly reminded, not only by the idiotic dashboard, which shows leaves growing on a tree when you ease off the throttle (pass the sick bucket), but by the noise and the ride and the seats. And also by the hybrid system Honda has fitted.

In a Prius the electric motor can, though almost never does, power the car on its own. In the Honda the electric motor is designed to "assist" the petrol engine, providing more get-up-and-go when the need arises. The net result is this: in a Prius the transformation from electricity to petrol is subtle. In the Honda there are all sorts of jerks and clunks.

And for what? For sure, you could get 60 or more mpg if you were careful. And that's not bad for a spacious five-door hatchback. But for the same money   



The man has a way with words, to be sure.  :icon_smile_big:

bakerhillpins

Quote from: KS71owner on June 29, 2009, 11:20:41 PM
It's the first car I've ever considered crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn't have to drive it any more.


The man has a way with words, to be sure.  :icon_smile_big:

I think that line right there sums it up!  :smilielol: :smilielol:

Thanks for that tidbit.  :cheers:

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Landonsrt

He is always very flamboyant when it comes to describing something he hates, or really likes.

I understand what he is saying about th CVT. Most new nissans have them and people are always complaining that there is something wrong with their Maxima, Altima, Sentra or Versa to me. They say it sounds like it never wants to shift or makes really loud noises when accellerating. We just have to tell them it is all normal. and I know for a fact it it because my wifes maxima has one too.

Magnumcharger

After a flight to Toronto, I rented a new Dodge Caliber with a CVT transmission, and my experiences with it - for the week I drove that piece of shit - could easily be mirrored by Jeremy's writings!

(PS: I LOVE Top Gear!)
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Khyron

Quote from: KS71owner on June 29, 2009, 11:20:41 PM
makes a noise worse than someone else’s crying baby on an airliner. It’s worse than the sound of your parachute failing to open. Really, to get an idea of how awful it is, you’d have to sit a dog on a ham slicer.

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bull

That was awesome. I loved this term he coined: "Toyota's Smugmobile" in reference to the Prius. I just call it the Toyota Pious.

Ghoste

Wow, I'm astounded to hear of an auto reviewer do anything with a foreign car that doesn't involve him talking about how it gave him multiple orgasms.

Landonsrt

Then i guess you havent seen the video that Clarson made when he came to the us and did a (document) on american cars. He did the Prius first, I believe, and they blew it up! Even though its not an american car, he included that one. All he did was bash every american car such as the corvette, viper and ram. He also ran on about how lazy and fat every american is. I really hate his view about the U.S., but he is still funny.

Ghoste

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what then does he like?

Aero426

Quote from: Landonsrt on July 02, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
All he did was bash every american car such as the corvette, viper and ram. He also ran on about how lazy and fat every american is. I really hate his view about the U.S., but he is still funny.

I do not recall Jeremy bashing the Viper at all.   He laid down plenty of rubber with the thing.    

That Insight review is pretty good.  He's fun to listen to.

Landonsrt

he did lay alot of rubber on it. He also lost control of it and spun it off the track. He called the designers crazy for certain things they did to the car. He also said it worthless on the road. The only car he like was the Ford GT. He then said the only reason he liked it was because all the parts for it came from overseas which meant it really couldnt be an american car.

Here's the link from the DVD im talking about. The good, the bad ad the ugly.  Its long and entertaining. I just cant stand his view of us. Make sure to watch all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo7U_bTsiC4

Ghoste

I think I'll pass, it sounds to me like he's just another moron who says anything that he thinks will be controversial enough to make people give him attention.  Even though I'm no fan of the Prius I've already determined that since I've never heard of the guy before the very best thing I can do to help cure his attention whore syndrome is go on with life ignoring him.

BIRD67

CLarkson is a genius! If you haven't seen it, you must watch Top Gear on BBC America, He is absolutly hilarious!
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Ghoste

I don't know.  From what you guys have described so far he really sounds like he is just an automotive shock jock.  Howard Stern bores me and so far all of his imitators bore me too.

Aero426

Clarkson is generally fun to watch.   

Google "Top Gear Peel P50" and watch that one.   

Magnumcharger

Clarkson is to Television as HemiGeno is to Wingcars....well spoken and full of good information.
And entertaining too. :2thumbs:
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KS71owner

Quote from: Ghoste on July 02, 2009, 12:08:15 PM
I think I'll pass, it sounds to me like he's just another moron who says anything that he thinks will be controversial enough to make people give him attention.  Even though I'm no fan of the Prius I've already determined that since I've never heard of the guy before the very best thing I can do to help cure his attention whore syndrome is go on with life ignoring him.

He's anything but. The man has been reviewing cars for decades, and he has a fantastic dry humor. Watch Top Gear just once, you might be surprised.

bull

Yes, but as previously stated he really doesn't seem to like the US much or anything built here. Seems to me he's a bit too quick to prejudge American cars.

KS71owner

He does like a few things from the States....but he's a Brit, making fun of Americans is like a hobby for them. :D  Actually he owns a Ford GT, he had high praise for the Viper and he liked the newest Corvette too. He is a bit of a Eurocar purist, but that's just his taste. Richard Hammond on Top Gear is the muscle car guy...he owns a 69 Charger R/T, a vintage Shelby Mustang and he just bought a new Challenger.

mikesbbody

Quote from: bull on July 02, 2009, 10:49:19 PM
Yes, but as previously stated he really doesn't seem to like the US much or anything built here. Seems to me he's a bit too quick to prejudge American cars.

I agree, I cant stand him  :Twocents:

kcederwall08

Actually i think its Richard Hammond, one of top gear's other hosts that owns the 68 charger. They actually did a review of it on the show once.

Heres the link to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cEhjWlhMT8

bull

I'll give Clarkson props in one area though, he sure knows how to drive.

bull


Jon Smith

Quote from: bull on July 03, 2009, 03:19:15 AM
I'll give Clarkson props in one area though, he sure knows how to drive.

Sabine Schmitt showed him up though on the ring in her transit van  :icon_smile_big:



the 68 charger rt hammond drove for the show wasn't his..
he had a 69 non RT which he sold on and is now a general lee