Are all Dodge Dealerships Smoking Crack? (09 Challenger)

[RecklessYouth]

So I went to the local Dodge Dealership to check out their selection of used Grand Cherokees for my wife. Nice enough salesguy and all. I noticed three new 09 Challenger SRT's sitting on the used lot. So I ask him how 3 used Challenger SRTs are already used and the salesguy tells me that they bought them off another dealership that couldnt move them. I walked over to check em out, and ask the salesguy how much their trying to get, he tells me 60k  I asked him if they test regularly for dope smoking. He was dead serious. Are all dealerships jacking the prices up on these things that bad? I can get a Viper for not much more then that. Im planning on buying one in Dec/Jan. but if prices are really that out of control then Ill take the regular R/T thanks 

[moparguy01]

for some reason they all seem to think they are gold, i havent seen one for less than 2k over msrp.

[62dodge]

In Idaho the srt's are 46k my buddy bought one when they first hit the lots he loves it

[mopar73]

Maybe in 10 years I'll be able to afford one.

[bull]

I'd call Dave Smith Motors in Kellogg, ID and see what they say. I don't think anyone in the nation is able to beat them on price. They have shuttle buses running to the airport and back each morning picking people up from all over the country to buy cars.

http://www.usautosales.com/newrigs/Dodge/Challenger.asp

[69bronzeT5]

The dealership had a white R/T that was here forever. My dad and me test drove it in Langley back in January. It was originally in Duncan (my town), then went to Langley and then ended back up in Duncan. I think they either sold it, put it in the showroom or sold it off to another dealer. I haven't seen it in the lot. However, when my dad went to find out pricing, we were shocked...it was very high priced, especially for a R/T.

[ChgrSteve67]

Dealership near me does a 20K markup on SRT8s and 15k on RTs

[Silver R/T]

well that's how come Fiat owns them now...go figure.

[hemi-hampton]

Dealership near me does a 20K markup on SRT8s and 15k on RTs

WHY

[Tigger]

1. If the dealership IS selling these at the mark-up price, then they are not going to lower it.

2. What is the median income of the county the dealership is in, if its high the price is going to reflect it.

3. It might take them 6 months to sell it, but its still a 20k profit(minus 1k for sitting for 6 months.) These are still commodity cars, not full blown generic production vehicle-yet.

4. SHOP around as stated by above post. Finding a good deal on a car is no different than shopping for anything else. I would drive 5 hours to save 15K on a SRT.

[NHCharger]

My buddy bought a white RT, fully loaded, every option. Asking price was 42k, he gave them 5k cash, they knocked 7k off and he got a no interest loan $625/month for 4 years.
He bought it during a snow storm in February, he was there 4 hours and was the only customer that Saturday, salesguy was probably desperate.

[69 OUR/TEA]

My buddy bought a white RT, fully loaded, every option. Asking price was 42k, he gave them 5k cash, they knocked 7k off and he got a no interest loan $625/month for 4 years.
He bought it during a snow storm in February, he was there 4 hours and was the only customer that Saturday, salesguy was probably desperate.

   Feb?? That was during the employee pricing,even on the challys,no big shock he got a deal, that is when I started looking at the new challys,but did'nt buy mine until late March.Even at that I paid $2K less than window.Asking more than window is just obsurd!!!!! If I wanted to order one,I could have got it for just a couple hundred over invoice,as all they are essentually doing is taking an order,plus they would get some kickbacks and such,for doing nothing.Good thing I bought off the lot,it was exactly the way I wanted it,Idid'nt have to wait,and did'nt get screwed!!!!I love it,and have driven it way more than the charger this year!!! My only complaint is it should have alittle more ooooomph!!!!

[68charger383]

I keep going in to check on the price. Although they aren't building cars right now, it seems like all the dealers have about 4-6 challengers in stock.


Best I could do about two weeks ago was $500 off MSRP. I'm waiting until its $500 below invoice.

[Landonsrt]

I'm sorry but id rather go buy myself a fully loaded SS Camaro for $40k than pay all that extra money for a car no better.

Here's a listing of a dealer near me that has 4 from prices of $43k to $46k. Just click on model and select challenger.

http://www.landmarkdodge.com/Atlanta-Dodge-cars-trucks.html

[Magnumcharger]

I've been keeping score on the prices of new Challengers here in Halifax (Canada).
An six speed SRT went for $52K and change...see the printout below.
The R/Ts are coasting around 42K for an automatic, 45K for a six speed.
That being said, I know they'll move a bit on those figures, as one dealership had a loaded R/T for 39K not long ago.
Keeping in mind the comparative value of Canadian currency verses American.

I'm still waiting for purple.

On a similar but disrelated note, apparently production of Challengers is just about to resume, for only two weeks. I've read where they have a supply of 400 floorpans stockpiled from their supplier, and after that the plant is shutting down again, to prepare for the 2010 models.

Again, I hope purple is on the list for 2010!!

[Brock Samson]

 At these prices, when all the taxes and Reg. Insur. and incidentals are factored in, you might as well restore a Classic (of your choice of course  ) or even buy a nice runner and add some modern convieniences...
I remember when the Enforcer oh, sorry, Coronet,.. umm er,.. yeah,..  was introduced and they said the planned two door would be for the "purists" when they finally sold 100K of the fourdoors,.. but what they didn't say was it would the "wealthy Purists"... anyone know of anyone who bought one of the 6 Cyl. SEs at the claimed of price of $22K?..

[Magnumcharger]

You're right. Who the heck would want a V6 Challenger?  It's a big car.
So far this year, Challenger (all models) have been selling around 2500 units per month. Not a lot really, compared to the Coronet, I mean Charger.
And production for those previously mentioned 400 floorpans has been designated for R/T and SRTs only.
That pretty well says it all.

[ACUDANUT]

Your better off (hate to say it) going on e-bay.  Our Dodge dealer deserves to be broke and in jail. They are 100 percent crooks. Chevy is not far behind either. They want $36,000 for their new V8 Camaro. I just say HELL NO.
Those kind of prices in todays economy 

[Magnumcharger]

Yes...and get a load of this: NEW Hemi Ram 1500 4 door, LOADED....MSRP of $50,000....knocked down to $40,000....WTF???
Why not Challengers too?

[b5blue]

Nothing has changed in 33 years, anyone remember 77 Z/28's? 2K mark up on a 6K car...just about same ratio. The house sets the price not "your salesman" he just runs back and forth. The only way you can know how much is to sit down and fight it out. Go in telling them you want a 6 cyl, stripped. Let them think they talked you into a upgrade. Leave. Let them call you back. Go back..tell them about some other dealer and leave again. You should find out then what they will really do. (Trust me I got a 77 Z/28 for 700 below sticker in 77 and sold for Ford in 88 and learned I figured it out in 77)

[Silver R/T]

40K for 1500 Ram? What a ripoff. You can get barely used 3500 Laramie Cummins for 25000-30K around here

[68charger383]

Here's a nice change, if your gonna spend $39K-$42K on a new R/T, might as well pay an extra $$13K-16K and get a custom vert.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ200357462842QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2ea63c433a&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308

[Magnumcharger]

40K for 1500 Ram? What a ripoff. You can get barely used 3500 Laramie Cummins for 25000-30K around here

Where is that? And how much $ for an equivalent truck as the one I posted?

[Ghoste]

Now see, to my twisted way of thinking, instead of closing dealerships, what they should do is to crack down on this stuff.  Chrysler needs a little more control over their retail outlets and dealers should have to run their stores like any other franchised business.  Here is the price, here is the service, any dealer that doesn't meet the standard loses his franchise.     I know, it's oversimplifying a bigger issue and it's not the American way, blah, blah, blahdee, blah.

[hemi-hampton]

Thought I seen a 09 SRT on ebay for $30k & a couple others in high 30k. Why pay $60k? LEON.

[hemi-hampton]

Forgot, I'd really like one of those Black & Gold striped Supercharger Hurst Challenger's Anybody know anything about these LEON.

[Sublime69]

Now see, to my twisted way of thinking, instead of closing dealerships, what they should do is to crack down on this stuff.  Chrysler needs a little more control over their retail outlets and dealers should have to run their stores like any other franchised business.  Here is the price, here is the service, any dealer that doesn't meet the standard loses his franchise.     I know, it's oversimplifying a bigger issue and it's not the American way, blah, blah, blahdee, blah.

Well said.

I've been asking this myself for a long time. All the dealerships are is middlemen anyway and they're helping to kill off the big 3. Around here, NONE of the big 3's dealerships want to deal with you unless it's last years model that's still sitting on the lot, or, one of the hundreds of copies of the same car thay have on the lot. The japanese dealers around here deal, haggle etc because they want to sell cars and understand that a good deal on a car means the person eventually will be back for service int he future where dealers make their money. So as much as it pains for me to say, I can see why people buy those cars.

They would rather sell one Challenger and make 5-7K instead of selling 10 Challengers and make 1-2K and boost Chryslers business in the process. Just more greedy mofo's. Oh well, I don't need the new Challenger anyway, I'll just keep on the look out for the Mopars I really like, 62-72 models.

[bull]

Now see, to my twisted way of thinking, instead of closing dealerships, what they should do is to crack down on this stuff.  Chrysler needs a little more control over their retail outlets and dealers should have to run their stores like any other franchised business.  Here is the price, here is the service, any dealer that doesn't meet the standard loses his franchise.     I know, it's oversimplifying a bigger issue and it's not the American way, blah, blah, blahdee, blah.

That's pretty much the way Dave Smith does it but they do it without Chrysler telling them to. They don't negotiate because they don't have to. They offer the best price so people just sign the papers and drive off.

[Silver R/T]

40K for 1500 Ram? What a ripoff. You can get barely used 3500 Laramie Cummins for 25000-30K around here

Where is that? And how much $ for an equivalent truck as the one I posted?

Here's a lot of truck for good price
http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/1246419644.html

[Magnumcharger]

GOOD NEWS!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!
2010 Challengers in PLUM CRAZY PURPLE!!
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59543.0
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/looks-like-purple-2010-a-21430/#post298933

[moparstuart]

GOOD NEWS!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!
2010 Challengers in PLUM CRAZY PURPLE!!
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59543.0
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/looks-like-purple-2010-a-21430/#post298933

now they need sub-lime

[Magnumcharger]

GOOD NEWS!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!!   GOOD NEWS!!!
2010 Challengers in PLUM CRAZY PURPLE!!
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59543.0
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/looks-like-purple-2010-a-21430/#post298933

now they need sub-lime

And TOP BANANA....which might well be on the way too!!!

[69 OUR/TEA]

I'd love to Sassy Grass on one!!!!!

[moparstuart]

I'd love to Sassy Grass on one!!!!!

I would take sassy , the green 4 dr cars look more sassy to me anyway

[69bronzeT5]

Schwing!

[Magnumcharger]

So I drove by the local Dodge store on the way home, you know...the place with the "Demons"!!
Anyhoo, I talked to "my" salesman and the sales manager both. From what information they've been given, the Detonator yellow is in the immediate future, and that's a "for sure".
The Plum Crazy Purple isn't on the books, as of yet. However, they said that they're pretty certain that it'll be a midyear release, a sort of spring special.
Which would actually work out good for me too, as I wouldn't want to have one just languishing in the garage all winter.

Ah, who am I kidding? I want one now dammit!!

Oh yeah, and Hemi orange is gone from selection in 2010. Can I have a hallelujah?

[ACUDANUT]

No, I want a new Orange Challenger.

[Magnumcharger]

Actually I liked the Orange Challengers. That is until I saw umpteen million of 'em. Now they're belly buttons.

[69charger2002]

just a FYI one of my local dealers is knocking 1100 off sticker on the 2 orange R/T's they have if anyone is interested..

[ACUDANUT]

 A lousy thousand buck?. Tell them BFD 

[mopar0166]

yeah im looking for a new hemi orange r/t guess if they dont make next year ill have to consider a chevy camaro.   

dodge really needs to fine tune that pricing on the challengers, at least give some type of incentive.

[Magnumcharger]

Incentive!! Har-har-hardy-har-har!
Not in your lifetime!!
For whatever reason, I've never seen so many dealerships NOT want to move product!
I asked all three local outlets about military incentives, or loyalty discounts, or even selling to match other (non-local) dealerships and all I get is one of these:

[Sublime69]

The dealers need to be axed for some of the crap they do. Really, all we need would be "outlet dealers" straight from the manufacturer's. Then you can buy a car at factory price. No BS, no haggling, just show up and that's the price. All the dealers do is play middlman. They recieve cars from the factory just to mark them up and sell them with no added benefit to the automakers. This should be part of Chrysler and GM's restructuring plans.  

[Magnumcharger]

Can I have a harrumph?

[MoparSam]

We've got to protect their phony baloney jobs gentlemen, Harrumph, Harrumph!!!!

[68charger383]

I was reading the posts on the Cuda/Challenger site and I did not realize that 2010 is the 40th year for the challenger.

Hopefully Fiat will put out something cool or maybe even a T/A version. 

[Magnumcharger]

We've got to protect their phony baloney jobs gentlemen, Harrumph, Harrumph!!!!

That guy didn't harrumph!

[Blakcharger440]

Yes...and get a load of this: NEW Hemi Ram 1500 4 door, LOADED....MSRP of $50,000....knocked down to $40,000....WTF???
Why not Challengers too?

Its a SHAME what they did to the Dodge Trucks..now they look like Phords. 

[wordslikebullets]

I am a big mopar fan and have been since I got a ride in my cousin's 1970 340 cuda back when I was 8 and had just watched the DOH.  So I have always had a soft spot for Mopar's.  That was until I went into a dealership.  

I'm older now and was thinking it would be great to have an SRT 8 Charger or SRT Challenger but the gas and the insurance alone would be a bit over board.  So I was thinking what about a base model Charger or the base model Challenger.  I really like to the look of the Challenger sooooooo much better that the base Charger.  I walk into a dealership that had 2 of the V6 models(which was a feat in and of it self...I live in So Cal and this was the only dealer that had two) and looked them over and one of them was $23,000 which was in my price range with tax and all of the other little fee's.  I found a sales person i told him about the car that i was intrested and he agreed and did all of the things that a sales guys does to build you up so you think you have to have this car.  We went over to his desk and sat down to run the numbers.  I was ready to pay full sticker price for them.  The first thing out of his mouth after we sat down was " I just want you to know that the Challenger is a Hot car right now."  I thought to my self oh man here it comes.  Then he said " We have a mark up of $15,000 on the SRT a $10,000 and $6,500 on the SE."  I laughed out loud at that and he just looked at me and asked "How many Challengers have you seen on the road?"  That is when I said "Obviously not many because you really don't want to sell them with thouse kind of prices."  The Salesman then said that he would talk to his manager.  Then the Manager walked over and and asked me the same question.  "How many Challengers Have seen on the road"  So what I gathered is that some people actually believe this crap.  So I proceeded to rant to this guy and here is what I said.  There job as a dealership is to sell cars.  Not to jack the prices up to sell to the people that could afford the extra.  Just because the "Tickle Me Elmos" were a hot item during Christmas one year didn't mean that Walmart raised the prices or that Best Buy was selling the "Wii" for more just because they couldn't keep them in stock.  No, they had to sell it at the RETAIL price and if you really wanted one you stood in line and waited or you could buy one from some crazy guy on craigslist."  Then the manager asked me some more dumb question.  I got up and told him that he just lost a customer then walked out.  When I got in my car I looked back to see if he was following and I guess they didn't need the money because they are still on the lot 2 months later.  

With things like that its no wonder so many dealers went away and since when is a V6 American sports car really a sports car.  I have seen a few used ones on craigslist going for about $15-18K so i will wait a year and see what will happen.  For now I will keep driving my Scion XB that gets 35mpg and save a bunch of money to spend on my 74 charger.

[bull]

And everybody wonders why Chrysler can't sell cars.

I love that question, "How many Challengers do you see on the road?" What an idiot. If they sold them at about $1,000 over msrp they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock. Instead they've got a bunch of useless museum pieces.

[Silver R/T]

Some used car dealerships are like that. I went looking for a truck last year and I found this 01 CTD Ram that I liked. Looked it over well and then went inside to see sales guy (in this case its lady) I talked to her etc. We figured out deal etc but she didn't help at all with financing. She told me to go find my own financing etc and didn't really want to take off more than $1500 off the truck after I pointed out that it had accident report in Carfax. THIS TRUCK IS STILL THERE!!! Almost a year later it's sitting. I can't see how dealership can exist if they do not sell many cars at all, if any.

[nh_mopar_fan]

Looks like someone traded an R/T on a new Camaro....

http://www.herbchambers.com/ou/danvers-chevrolet/inventoryDetails.do?stockNumber=309603A&dealerId=2110_237

[chargergirl]

Some used car dealerships are like that. I went looking for a truck last year and I found this 01 CTD Ram that I liked. Looked it over well and then went inside to see sales guy (in this case its lady) I talked to her etc. We figured out deal etc but she didn't help at all with financing. She told me to go find my own financing etc and didn't really want to take off more than $1500 off the truck after I pointed out that it had accident report in Carfax. THIS TRUCK IS STILL THERE!!! Almost a year later it's sitting. I can't see how dealership can exist if they do not sell many cars at all, if any.

I find this work ethic happening in too many places. I get people that call in all the time and tell me I'm the first kind voice that they've heard in a long time that wants to help them. Stupid of anyone in sales to NOT help you with the financing since they add couple points to it from the lenders and make money on that as well. (I worked in auto lending for years). Also never tell them that you have financing in place because of that reason. I have had experience where I walked up to car, saw price, went inside with sales person and he told me the price wasn't what was on sticker it was more...about 5K more. ALL auto companies have had the attitude that we will buy whatever they make no matter what. Wrong.

[69 OUR/TEA]

Forget over sticker,better be less than sticker!!!!

[jb666]

Forget over sticker,better be less than sticker!!!!

I agree.. The days of dealerships charging anything OVER sticker is (or should be) over. They are in a position where they should be cutting each other's throats to sell their cars.. Instead they want to mark things up? Good luck to you...

Here's what I see when I think about Chrysler...