CHARGER 500 and DAYTONA BACKUP LAMP ASSEMBLY QUESTION NEW INFO!!

[Mopar John]

Does anyone know what the differance is between the early 2930806 ( before December 1968 ) and the late 2930970 ( after December 1968 ) backup lamp assemblies are?

[nascarxx29]

 Ive have had some of them from various car seem about the same.Just a guess maybe the glass

[Mopar John]

My early 2930806 all have female connectors on the end of the wires. Does anyone have a late 2930970 and tell us if it has a male connector on the end. I have seen both and maybe that is the differance?

[tan top]

this is intresting !! never knew about different back up lamps 

[hemigeno]

To my knowledge, only the '70 Chargers had male connectors on the reverse lamp housings.  '69s all had female connections.  '70s seem to have yellow/gold cad (?? something like that) plated housings, whereas all of the '69 housings I've seen have been painted black.

My Daytona has female ends, and with a 6/9/69 SPD it's pretty late in the model year.  I've never understood what the 1969 parts book meant in its description about the 2930806 vs. 3004110 (which is the right "late" part number for a Charger if I'm reading things correctly)... something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

[UFO]

something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

I'm sure I have both styles of lenses here.I will dig thru my stuff and try to locate them.
It referred to the depth of the glass.One style has a step where the snap ring goes the other is flat all the way across.

[hemigeno]

So it's a glass/lens thing after all?  Wonder why they didn't list two different part numbers for the glass, early & late?

Hmmm...  interesting...

[Davtona]

To my knowledge, only the '70 Chargers had male connectors on the reverse lamp housings.  '69s all had female connections. 

something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

I'm sure I have both styles of lenses here.I will dig thru my stuff and try to locate them.
It referred to the depth of the glass.One style has a step where the snap ring goes the other is flat all the way across.

Ok that is making sense. I Have a NOS #2930806 and the snap ring is recessed in a "step" in the lens. Or the lens extrudes the snap ring (bezel) if you want to look at it that way. 

[nascarxx29]

I thought it might have been a glass detail as I earlier originaly suspected . .

[Davtona]

I just looked at lights in two cars and 3 used sets of these housings and the all look the same as to the "step" in the glass and where the snap ring sets in the housing. I did come across one "70" version with the male end on the pigtail and it sure appears the same also. I'm not seeing the difference.  So I'm still lost on this one.  I'm definitely open to more info on this one.

[nascarxx29]

Any differences on whats written on the lenses

[Davtona]

Any differences on whats written on the lenses

No same lettering. Just a little difference in the shape of the Penta Stars. Penta Star and CC at the top of lens and SAE-R-69-R at the bottom on the front. Back side has 90030, 58685 and what I assume is the part number 2930805 on it. This is comparing a known 69 lens to a assumed 70 lens because of the male pigtail.

[UFO]

Dig unsuccessful.
I can picture comparing the two like it only happened a week ago.
I did learn two things,
1- Don't type in a comment until I have the proof in my hands.
2- I think I may have too many boxes of parts.
No doubt when this thread is long gone and I'm looking for something completely unrelated the lense will be at the bottom of the box.

[Davtona]

Dig unsuccessful.
I can picture comparing the two like it only happened a week ago.
I did learn two things,
1- Don't type in a comment until I have the proof in my hands.
2- I think I may have too many boxes of parts.
No doubt when this thread is long gone and I'm looking for something completely unrelated the lense will be at the bottom of the box.

No sweat. If you come across the lenses fill us in. This is one of those areas I'd like to understand better.   But there are areas of the parts catalog that I believe are not understandable. 

[nascarxx29]

   I got all the books on a cd .Took a shot of the backup lightpage from the 69 parts book.Not much detail info about those lights.Just lens extruded or recessed 

[Mopar John]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99
I dont know how accurate this guy Paul Herds mopar resto book is . Info on subject related to the back up light identification
http://books.google.com/books?id=21DCYEt7ih0C&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=PART+NUMBER+2930970&source=bl&ots=46GDBcIfhN&sig=D0sWgpvP4K0e
2an-oxZFCE8uoEk&hl=en&ei=j7pGSv6uBI7Dtwe-8L20Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

[UFO]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

806 and 970 should be the same.I would say both of those are extrude lense.
Need a 3004110 to compare against.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

806 and 970 should be the same.I would say both of those are extrude lense.
Need a 3004110 to compare against.

I guess no one has come up with a 3004110 for comparision

[Mopar John]

I have 3 NOS 2930806's with 2 differant boxes and labels. I have just purchased 2 NOS 2930970's and when I get them we will have a side by side comparison of these 2 part numbers, boxes and labels.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99

  Part # look up link


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Search Result For "300410"
Part #  Application  Description 
3004100 1968 NEWPORT R T/GATE T/L ASSY 2853458 SOP
3004100 68 chry newport lamp pkg. tailgate stop and turn signal
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP 2 SPD WIPER SWITCH
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP switch wiper 2 speed
3004104 1968-75 VAN 2 SPEED WIPER SWITCH 2864152 SOP
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP 2 SPD WIPER SWITCH
3004105  SEE 2585110
3004105  switch low oil 2256800 2585110
3004105 1963-70 OIL PRESSURE SWITCH U2585110
3004105 62-78 Most 6 Cyl SEE 2585110
3004105  Switch
3004105  SEE 2585110
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, LOW OIL PRES LITE SWITCH W/ 8 CYL EX 426 CID (SA 3
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, sender oil W/lite 3488617 1704329617
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, LOW OIL PRES LITE SWITCH W/ 8 CYL EX 426 CID (SA 3
3004108 D 68 COR WGN R TAIL LITE LENS
3004108 1968 W WAGON R T/L LENS/GSKT
3004108 D 68 COR WGN R TAIL LITE LENS
3004108A 1968 W WAGON R T/L LENS W/O GASKET 2853532 SOP
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L TAIL LITE LENS
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L T/L LENS/GSKT 2853533 SOP
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L TAIL LITE LENS

[Mopar John]

Here is the type of information that I was looking for when I started this post. I have know purchased both backup lights in NOS boxed form and will show my findings! I don't know how to attach more than one picture to a reply so there will be several replies but it will be worth it for those who care about details. The first picture shows a couple of original boxes from both part numbers 2930806 and 2930870 and look to be old original stock. Both have the blue and white labels and CHRYCO on them!

[Mopar John]

The next picture shows the other sides of the original boxes with made in CANADA on them!

[Mopar John]

Last picture of the boxes shows a newer 2930806 with no label and just print!

[Mopar John]

Also on the new box is only parts division!