CHARGER 500 and DAYTONA BACKUP LAMP ASSEMBLY QUESTION NEW INFO!!

[Mopar John]

Does anyone know what the differance is between the early 2930806 ( before December 1968 ) and the late 2930970 ( after December 1968 ) backup lamp assemblies are?

[nascarxx29]

 Ive have had some of them from various car seem about the same.Just a guess maybe the glass

[Mopar John]

My early 2930806 all have female connectors on the end of the wires. Does anyone have a late 2930970 and tell us if it has a male connector on the end. I have seen both and maybe that is the differance?

[tan top]

this is intresting !! never knew about different back up lamps 

[hemigeno]

To my knowledge, only the '70 Chargers had male connectors on the reverse lamp housings.  '69s all had female connections.  '70s seem to have yellow/gold cad (?? something like that) plated housings, whereas all of the '69 housings I've seen have been painted black.

My Daytona has female ends, and with a 6/9/69 SPD it's pretty late in the model year.  I've never understood what the 1969 parts book meant in its description about the 2930806 vs. 3004110 (which is the right "late" part number for a Charger if I'm reading things correctly)... something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

[UFO]

something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

I'm sure I have both styles of lenses here.I will dig thru my stuff and try to locate them.
It referred to the depth of the glass.One style has a step where the snap ring goes the other is flat all the way across.

[hemigeno]

So it's a glass/lens thing after all?  Wonder why they didn't list two different part numbers for the glass, early & late?

Hmmm...  interesting...

[Davtona]

To my knowledge, only the '70 Chargers had male connectors on the reverse lamp housings.  '69s all had female connections. 

something about "lens extrude the bezel" on the earlier versions and "lens recessed the bezel" on the later issue parts.     Both took the same lens and gasket package, so it had to be a housing/bezel distinction.

I'm sure I have both styles of lenses here.I will dig thru my stuff and try to locate them.
It referred to the depth of the glass.One style has a step where the snap ring goes the other is flat all the way across.

Ok that is making sense. I Have a NOS #2930806 and the snap ring is recessed in a "step" in the lens. Or the lens extrudes the snap ring (bezel) if you want to look at it that way. 

[nascarxx29]

I thought it might have been a glass detail as I earlier originaly suspected . .

[Davtona]

I just looked at lights in two cars and 3 used sets of these housings and the all look the same as to the "step" in the glass and where the snap ring sets in the housing. I did come across one "70" version with the male end on the pigtail and it sure appears the same also. I'm not seeing the difference.  So I'm still lost on this one.  I'm definitely open to more info on this one.

[nascarxx29]

Any differences on whats written on the lenses

[Davtona]

Any differences on whats written on the lenses

No same lettering. Just a little difference in the shape of the Penta Stars. Penta Star and CC at the top of lens and SAE-R-69-R at the bottom on the front. Back side has 90030, 58685 and what I assume is the part number 2930805 on it. This is comparing a known 69 lens to a assumed 70 lens because of the male pigtail.

[UFO]

Dig unsuccessful.
I can picture comparing the two like it only happened a week ago.
I did learn two things,
1- Don't type in a comment until I have the proof in my hands.
2- I think I may have too many boxes of parts.
No doubt when this thread is long gone and I'm looking for something completely unrelated the lense will be at the bottom of the box.

[Davtona]

Dig unsuccessful.
I can picture comparing the two like it only happened a week ago.
I did learn two things,
1- Don't type in a comment until I have the proof in my hands.
2- I think I may have too many boxes of parts.
No doubt when this thread is long gone and I'm looking for something completely unrelated the lense will be at the bottom of the box.

No sweat. If you come across the lenses fill us in. This is one of those areas I'd like to understand better.   But there are areas of the parts catalog that I believe are not understandable. 

[nascarxx29]

   I got all the books on a cd .Took a shot of the backup lightpage from the 69 parts book.Not much detail info about those lights.Just lens extruded or recessed 

[Mopar John]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99
I dont know how accurate this guy Paul Herds mopar resto book is . Info on subject related to the back up light identification
http://books.google.com/books?id=21DCYEt7ih0C&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=PART+NUMBER+2930970&source=bl&ots=46GDBcIfhN&sig=D0sWgpvP4K0e
2an-oxZFCE8uoEk&hl=en&ei=j7pGSv6uBI7Dtwe-8L20Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

[UFO]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

806 and 970 should be the same.I would say both of those are extrude lense.
Need a 3004110 to compare against.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for all the comments so far on this one! I have a couple of NOS 2930806 to compare if someone has an NOS 2930970.

806 and 970 should be the same.I would say both of those are extrude lense.
Need a 3004110 to compare against.

I guess no one has come up with a 3004110 for comparision

[Mopar John]

I have 3 NOS 2930806's with 2 differant boxes and labels. I have just purchased 2 NOS 2930970's and when I get them we will have a side by side comparison of these 2 part numbers, boxes and labels.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=99

  Part # look up link


Search Abbreviations List
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Search Result For "300410"
Part #  Application  Description 
3004100 1968 NEWPORT R T/GATE T/L ASSY 2853458 SOP
3004100 68 chry newport lamp pkg. tailgate stop and turn signal
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP 2 SPD WIPER SWITCH
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP switch wiper 2 speed
3004104 1968-75 VAN 2 SPEED WIPER SWITCH 2864152 SOP
3004104 DT 69-73 VAN, WGN, 72-73 PICKUP 2 SPD WIPER SWITCH
3004105  SEE 2585110
3004105  switch low oil 2256800 2585110
3004105 1963-70 OIL PRESSURE SWITCH U2585110
3004105 62-78 Most 6 Cyl SEE 2585110
3004105  Switch
3004105  SEE 2585110
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, LOW OIL PRES LITE SWITCH W/ 8 CYL EX 426 CID (SA 3
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, sender oil W/lite 3488617 1704329617
3004106 P, D, DART 67; 68-78 EX CHGR 75 SE, LOW OIL PRES LITE SWITCH W/ 8 CYL EX 426 CID (SA 3
3004108 D 68 COR WGN R TAIL LITE LENS
3004108 1968 W WAGON R T/L LENS/GSKT
3004108 D 68 COR WGN R TAIL LITE LENS
3004108A 1968 W WAGON R T/L LENS W/O GASKET 2853532 SOP
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L TAIL LITE LENS
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L T/L LENS/GSKT 2853533 SOP
3004109 D 68 COR WGN L TAIL LITE LENS

[Mopar John]

Here is the type of information that I was looking for when I started this post. I have know purchased both backup lights in NOS boxed form and will show my findings! I don't know how to attach more than one picture to a reply so there will be several replies but it will be worth it for those who care about details. The first picture shows a couple of original boxes from both part numbers 2930806 and 2930870 and look to be old original stock. Both have the blue and white labels and CHRYCO on them!

[Mopar John]

The next picture shows the other sides of the original boxes with made in CANADA on them!

[Mopar John]

Last picture of the boxes shows a newer 2930806 with no label and just print!

[Mopar John]

Also on the new box is only parts division!

[Mopar John]

Now for the fun part where most have said the parts are the same!!! NOTTT!!!!
The first picture of the parts show the outside face. The stainless is identical and both are the extruded type where the edge is beveled and they stick out from the valance a little. The recessed are flat to fit a 1969 Road Runner in the bumper. The only thing I found on the outside is that the lines in the lens are very weak on the 2930806 as compared to the 2930870.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for the parts description and comparision photos

[Mopar John]

Here is the big differances!! The 2930806 has all the rear painted black, has a longer bulb socket, has a rubber boot that goes all the way down onto the bulb socket, and dark purple wire. The 2930870 has natural plating, a shorter bulb socket, a short boot, light purple wire and a plastic disc to protect the paint! Both have female wire ends. Now which ones do you think I am going to use on my late production car?
 
I am going to go on record here and say that if there is a differant part number on something the parts are differant! Also as time goes on the parts change. So if you want to restore your car correctly try to use "assembly line stock" or old NOS.
Thanks! Mopar John

[tan top]

Thanks for the parts description and comparision photos

 thanks for showing the two side by side       

hmmm  intresting  

[nascarxx29]

You suppose the black paint and rubber boot was maybe because the bumper mounted plastic disc back up light was more vulnerable to the elements from backside of a rear bumper .In comparision to the charger one that sunk into a valance??? .On a unrelated note  Id messed with these lights clean socket and new bulbs and it wouldnt light.I had to rotate the crimped in bulb socket to achieve a better ground

[Mopar John]

nascarxx29,
I don't know if I mislead you but all my above pictures are of backup lights for a Charger. They are both the extruded type that are mounted in a rear valance. The flat or recessed type are for the bumper mounted applications. My thoughts on the black paint is that it was an extra cost. The plastic discs were added to save the paint on the valances. If anyone is interested I bought a total of 5 backup light assemblies to get this thing right and sorted out. I have 1 2930806 NOS available for $125.00 .
Mopar John

[nascarxx29]

Ok thanks

[pettybird]

so which of those are in your cars?  i don't remember them missing? 

[Mopar John]

PETTYBIRD,
You are correct both cars have them but they are either dented or weathered. Both of my cars have the 2930870 which are the late versions. Now that everyone knows the differance it will be easy to spot the length of the bulb socket and the long or short boots. The plastic protection disc may crack and sometimes not have been reinstalled.
Mopar John

[hemigeno]

For the record, the correct late 1969 part number is 3004110.

[pettybird]

so what's that one look like?

[Mopar John]

For the record also is a picture of my 1969 dealer parts department parts catalog page for the backup lights. Above the line going across the page you will see an aplication for W-P Charger and W-S Charger R/T with lens recessed the bezel with part number 3004110 and no referance to early or late. Below the line you will see another application for W-P Charger and W-S Charger R/T with lens extrude the bezel with "up to approx. DEC 1 1968" and part number 2930806. The next line down has "after approx. Dec 1 1968" and part number 2930970.
  There is also an application 3 lines up from the line across the page for "Sta Wgn w/ lens recessed the Bezel and part number 3004110 with no early or late designation.

[Mopar John]

I do not have any NOS 3004110 and so far neither does anyone else?? I have attached another picture of 2 of my used backup lights with a 1969 on the left and a 1970 ( male connector ) on the right. If you look close at the chrome or stainless you will see that one is flat and the other has a bevel around the outside edge. I have found the flat ones on the cars with the backup lights in the bumper and the beveled ones on the Chargers in the valance. Does anyone know if this is what is referred to as recessed or extruded?? If it is, I have not seen any recessed used on Chargers.

[UFO]

Hey mopar john , Can you measure the depth(from the face inward) of the holes where the retainer ring goes into?
Sure looks like they're different in that pic.

[Mopar John]

UFO,
Good observation! But here is what is going on there. The one on the right has one of those plastic discs like the late 1969 version and it makes it look like the snap ring is not as far down. Measuring from the outside face in the snap ring is about 3/16" in on both lamps.

[FJMG]

  Great find, I purchased a set of NOS b/up lamps many yrs ago and one was the "970" in the box and the other was not in the box and looks just like the "806" in your pic. I always wondered why they were diff't!