Buy Buddy Bakers' Daytona

[Magnumcharger]

Now listed at RM auction site.
Along with the Dodge Deora, the Little Red Wagon, and other cars of note.


http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=RW09&CarID=r081

http://www.rmauctions.com/search-upcoming.cfm?parentsection=search&SortBy=AL&searchSubmit=1&Sale=RW09&yearFrom=&yearTo=&LotNum2=&Make=&Model=#

[hemigeno]

Didn't the #6 car sell for a bazillion dollars just a couple years ago - and now it's F/S with no reserve?  That's the car which used to be displayed at Darlington until Cotton reclaimed it, right?

Hmmm.... 

Hey Robin - whatcha think the Deora will sell for? 

[Magnumcharger]

Well....Mike Alexander told me that it sold for $385,000 last time. Which was $375,000 more than he got for it back in 1970.
If it gets half of that now, I'll be surprised.
So I guess its still out of my ballpark...a bit.

Geez. I'm up to 2700 posts.

[hemi68charger]

That car is ever SO COOL !!!!!!

[Magnumcharger]

That car is ever SO COOL !!!!!!

Maybe you can TRADE UP?

[CornDogsCharger]

Nice cars up for sale.  My buddy Travis Foster used to own the wrecked General Lee that is going up for sale.  Wonder what it will bring.

Justin
"CornDog"

[WINGR]

Did you see where they state that it was the first car to break the 200MPH barrier at Dega. Wasn't that the #88 test car's claim to faim? Wait till Greg K. sees this ad.

Maybe they got that from that one Buddy Baker advertisement from back in the day where it shows the #6 car and mentions the record.

[hemi68charger]

That car is ever SO COOL !!!!!!

Maybe you can TRADE UP?

Well,,, maybe......... Naaaaaaaaa, it's not street legal..............

[69bronzeT5]

My buddy Travis Foster used to own the wrecked General Lee that is going up for sale.  Wonder what it will bring.

That poor '68 didn't deserve what it got I'd love to have that Daytona, such a major piece of Mopar history!

[Aero426]

Didn't the #6 car sell for a bazillion dollars just a couple years ago - and now it's F/S with no reserve?  That's the car which used to be displayed at Darlington until Cotton reclaimed it, right?

Yes, it would be the same car.    The initial information posted in that link is completely incorrect.     

My understanding is it is a real Owens car built into a Daytona for use by Chrysler Corporation to use as a show car use in 1970.     Exactly what configuration the car was prior to show car use is not clear.   There are photos of the car at the Chicago Auto Show in February 1970.   Andy Agusta was the man who hauled it around the country for Chrysler in 1970.   It is safe to say it never competed on a race track during this time.   Eventually it was donated to the Darlington museum.    The car still has a small carb on it to make it easier to move around, and it is an early race Daytona configuration with closed headlights and full glass.   That and other close-up details do not match the Darlington winner.     And as most everyone knows,  it is not the car Baker broke 200 with, even though period Dodge press releases might make one think otherwise.    Although he is a legend in his own right, Cotton Owens and his famous #6 had nothing to do with the 200mph record attempted and set by Baker. 

[nascarxx29]

I wouldnt mine having them both Buddys daytona but no $$$.And the especially from my town the Deora that use to live in my area..And recall wayback it was in Hemmings for sale in N.J.I probably still have that hemmings issue  .Wonder what records these 2 cars will set
The Deora came to a local N.J car show sometime ago.They pushed it in and out of trailer never starting the 6 cylinder






Robin AKA Magnum charger is undertaking construction of building a spot on Deora replica.You must see this.Incredidible devotion and workmanship that has been done so far

[Magnumcharger]

Awwwww....jeeeeezzzzz....you're too kind!

[Redbird]

Doug,

I have 1 picture of the Buddy Baker car at a smaller venue indoor car show in 1970, lots of '70 models shown. I also have a picture of the Buddy Baker car at the Chicago 1971 show. The '71 Chicago show was at the newly opened center. In the '71 Chicago show I have a picture of the Sox and Martin '71 Roadrunner on display too. I also have a number pictures of the '70 Detroit auto show showing Herbert Platt's Ford, George Montgomery's SOHC Mustang and David Pearson's #17 Torino Talledaga. If you look at pictures of either or both the '70 Detroit and Chicago shows you can see the '70 Sox and Martin 'Cuda in the Rapid Transit System display. I also have a picture of Buddy baker signing autographs at the '70 Detroit auto show (no #6 car behind him).

For the big shows; Detroit, Chicago, NY, and LA; I'm guessing the manufacturer's were able to get some of their big name sponsored cars to the shows. Doug, you know more about the Baker car and how that was shuttled around.

[Magnumcharger]

A picture other than these ones? Please post any or all of the other pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tim L]

I thought I recognised that Deora from somewhere. I took this photo on the 8th December 2007 at a gentleman's house who has probably around 40 Aussie Mopars (in Australia of course) in his backyard. Can't remember much about it was to busy sussing out the story behind his Barracuda and custom Valiant. I might make a trip next time I'm up at the folk's to his house and get some more pics and info if anyone is really keen to know, Tim.

[nascarxx29]

A picture other than these ones? Please post any or all of the other pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got those same auto show pictures with plum crazy parkway sign in the background.This one is just Buddy Baker and same saying on the sign behind him plum crazy parkway

[Aero426]

To what I posted the other night, the Baker Daytona that is going to be sold is essentially an NOS unused race Daytona.    It has a small carb complete with a CHOKE, to make it easier to move around.   

What is not clear is the actual race history of the car, if any.  That it is a real Nichels type car from Cotton's shop is certainly true.    It has been suggested that the car was converted to Daytona trim from an earlier existing car (Charger 500?) that may have sustained some damage on track.    It's not clear whether Buddy ever actually farted in the seat.   Andy Agosta has stated that he transported the car to and from the major 1970 auto shows, and in between those shows it remained in Chrysler's hands.   

[nascarxx29]

Still a very significant wing car to own .If I had the means $$$ or had some cars to sell off I would want it

[Magnumcharger]

I thought I recognised that Deora from somewhere. I took this photo on the 8th December 2007 at a gentleman's house who has probably around 40 Aussie Mopars (in Australia of course) in his backyard. Can't remember much about it was to busy sussing out the story behind his Barracuda and custom Valiant. I might make a trip next time I'm up at the folk's to his house and get some more pics and info if anyone is really keen to know, Tim.

Looks to be the same monster as in this picture!!!

[moparstuart]

I thought I recognised that Deora from somewhere. I took this photo on the 8th December 2007 at a gentleman's house who has probably around 40 Aussie Mopars (in Australia of course) in his backyard. Can't remember much about it was to busy sussing out the story behind his Barracuda and custom Valiant. I might make a trip next time I'm up at the folk's to his house and get some more pics and info if anyone is really keen to know, Tim.

Looks to be the same monster as in this picture!!!

wow very cool


    someone should nab that thing

[Aero426]

The Baker #6 race Daytona was hammered sold at $195,000 + commissions = $214,500.




Dodge Deora was hammered sold at $295,000 + commissions = $324,500


The Cale Yarborough Spoiler II (photo below) was $99k with commissions figured in.    It is a real Cyclone race car, but not a real Wood Brothers car, or one that Cale ever sat in.    It never saw any NASCAR Grand National action, but, it would be hard to build the car for that $ today.   It is done as correct as can be.

Over at the HAMB hot rod forum,  the tone has been that many beautiful cars at a high profile auction brought less than expected.  

[Ghoste]

Which should speak volumes about the low profile cars.  (as we mostly already know)

[Magnumcharger]

A cool video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPLKJWJMMY&feature=player_embedded#t=64

[hemigeno]

The Baker #6 race Daytona was hammered sold at $195,000 + commissions = $214,500.

*whew*



Quite a step down from its last gavel price - it wasn't bought back by the seller, was it?

[tan top]

hmm wasn't it at 600 thousand before 

[Aero426]

The Baker #6 race Daytona was hammered sold at $195,000 + commissions = $214,500.

*whew*



Quite a step down from its last gavel price - it wasn't bought back by the seller, was it?

That does not appear to be the case in any of the cars.    The seller kept 8 cars, none of which were in the auction.   He posted a very candid personal note on the HAMB hot rod board explaining a few reasons why the collection was sold off.   Basically, he now has two very young children,  the collection was located 800 miles away and a lack of time to be involved became an issue.   Then there was the financial earthquake which caused him to examine his priorities.   Now I do not expect he is rubbing his last two nickels together.    This is a man who spent $1M for Paul McCartney to play at his future ex-wifes 50th's birthday, LOL.    

[Aero426]

hmm wasn't it at 600 thousand before 

800k.

[therealmoparman]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the 1969 Dodge Daytona built by Cotton Owens. The confusion comes from you folks who are actually the ones who are "slowly rewriting the history of this car." Allow me to clarify this once and for all.

Who am I? I am Cotton's grandson. I know the history of this car because I heard it directly from the horse's mouth. You can find a picture of me sitting in this car on the cottonowens.com website.

Firstly, this car was indeed the Southern 500 winner. The car later raced at Charlotte, where it was wrecked. The car was rebuilt by Cotton and made into a show car. It was later parked at the Darlington museum, where it remained for almost 40 years. It was then retrieved by Cotton, and I listed the car for him on ebay, where it sold for $801k. Of course they did not race it with carpets! Lots of modifications were made to make it a car suitable for the show circuit and the museum.

Secondly, this same car was the first car to exceed 200mph in a NASCAR sanctioned race - at Talladega. However, for it to be an "official" record, it has to be done with timing equipment, run both directions, etc. Therefore, Chrysler engineers built the #88 car and set out to "officially" claim the 200mph record for the recordbooks. This is all well documented on the cottonowens.com website. They used Buddy Baker as the driver because he was Cotton's driver and therefore a "factory" driver. Chrysler promoted the 200mph record with the #6 car, because it was an actual race car, and indeed because it did break the 200mph barrier. This is also well documented by Chrysler and you can even find an ad from that era on the website - http://cottonowens.com/photos3.html

Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is simply incorrect and spreading half-truths. This is the real story. Period. Enough already! All you have to do is visit the website.

[Aero426]

Lots of modifications were made to make it a car suitable for the show circuit and the museum.

Welcome back to the board.     I am going to ask some specific questions about the car, so you can continue to clear the air.

What are the specific modifications that were made to make it suitable for the show circuit?      

Why would the car be made different than from the way it raced?

[tan top]

      intresting stuff (TRMM)   ,

Lots of modifications were made to make it a car suitable for the show circuit and the museum.

Welcome back to the board.     I am going to ask some specific questions about the car, so you can continue to clear the air.

What are the specific modifications that were made to make it suitable for the show circuit?     

Why would the car be made different than from the way it raced?

[Redbird]

I understand how at Bonneville records have to be done in 2 directions to negate any wind "push". I didn't know that for a car to get an official NASCAR record the car had to be run both directions, must have been something to see the car running clockwise then counterclockwise around the track, wow! Besides the 2 directions what else did they have to do? Something to learn every day!

[learical1]

on a closed circuit race track, you would eventually drive with and against the wind.  No need to go in the opposite direction.

[odcics2]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the 1969 Dodge Daytona built by Cotton Owens. The confusion comes from you folks who are actually the ones who are "slowly rewriting the history of this car." Allow me to clarify this once and for all.

Who am I? I am Cotton's grandson. I know the history of this car because I heard it directly from the horse's mouth. You can find a picture of me sitting in this car on the cottonowens.com website.

Firstly, this car was indeed the Southern 500 winner. The car later raced at Charlotte, where it was wrecked. The car was rebuilt by Cotton and made into a show car. It was later parked at the Darlington museum, where it remained for almost 40 years. It was then retrieved by Cotton, and I listed the car for him on ebay, where it sold for $801k. Of course they did not race it with carpets! Lots of modifications were made to make it a car suitable for the show circuit and the museum.

Secondly, this same car was the first car to exceed 200mph in a NASCAR sanctioned race - at Talladega. However, for it to be an "official" record, it has to be done with timing equipment, run both directions, etc. Therefore, Chrysler engineers built the #88 car and set out to "officially" claim the 200mph record for the recordbooks. This is all well documented on the cottonowens.com website. They used Buddy Baker as the driver because he was Cotton's driver and therefore a "factory" driver. Chrysler promoted the 200mph record with the #6 car, because it was an actual race car, and indeed because it did break the 200mph barrier. This is also well documented by Chrysler and you can even find an ad from that era on the website - http://cottonowens.com/photos3.html

Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is simply incorrect and spreading half-truths. This is the real story. Period. Enough already! All you have to do is visit the website.

So many errors in the above statement...     Like all of it. 

Cotton had two race Daytonas. One won the Southern 500.   The "show car #6" was neither of those. In fact, it never raced as a Daytona.
Cotton's Daytonas never ran over 200, with the best lap being 198. at the April 1970 race, documented in Stock Car Racing magazine. (8-70 issue)
To go over 200 without side glass would require over 640 horsepower. Cotton told me himself he could get 620 HP out of a hemi, briefly. Nascar race hemis were actually good for 585 - 595 Hp, consistently, for 500 miles.  Simple physics. 

The #88 was built in November, 1968 as a Charger 500. (Nichels chassis number DC-93) It was the first race "Daytona" to be created - June 1969. Tested at Chelsea Proving Grounds  July 13 and 20th.  Top speed was 203+ with a smaller Holley carb, not a Dominator..
(I consider the red #71, former 1968 "2x2", long nose-short wing as a mule car. A low speed one at that, good for 120.)

This is the real history, backed up with vintage photos and documentation, not hearsay.   

[Ghoste]

Exactly!  And in this case the pedigree of the person providing the hearsay is irrelevant, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up his counter claims in the matter except to name drop said pedigree.

[odcics2]

Exactly!  And in this case the pedigree of the person providing the hearsay is irrelevant, there is no evidence whatsoever to back up his counter claims in the matter except to name drop said pedigree.

And there is a recently made 64 Dodge that is being represented as the original racer!
It has opening doors and the cage opens with them!