Does Hemi'Bird RM23R0A179800 still exist?

[Wingnut426]

  I own the "Lindsley's Plymouth" Hemi Superbird. RM23R0A180651.  In the August 79
Winged Warrior newsletter, Jim Lindsley is shown owing my car and RM23R0A179800, another Hemi 'bird.  Does anyone know if this car exists today?
  When I spoke to Jim Lindsley's daughter a few years back, she said "my dad bought a parts car Superbird in California for $400."
back in the early seventies.  I wonder if this is the car I am inquiring about.  Pete

[69bronzeT5]

parts car Superbird

Those are 3 words you don't hear together often!

[hemi68charger]

Dave?.......   
If anyone's going to know about this.................

Yo Pete !!!!!

Wingless............

[Aero426]

There have been no sightings of 179800 that I know of.    It's still tied to Lindsley's name and nothing since then.

[nascarxx29]

It shows as a white 4 speed Jim L Grand Terrace Calif J98924

[nascarxx29]

I thought it might be this one but its RM23ROA172600 not 179800.And The guy who was with the car had mentioned it was S Fox in Kentucky who owns this and the X9 former Don Hicks daytona and Hemi 500-s and other hemi wingcars
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34074.0.html

[Aero426]

Which Lindsley car was auctioned at Mecum?    Pete was that your car, or the other one you are asking about?   Check the link below.

http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0509-79415

[Wingnut426]

I still have the automatic car. The Mecum auction car sounds like the car I inquired about, but the description of how the Lindsleys acquired the cars doesn't ring true.  If there was 2 cars campaigned on the Salt Flats, why haven't there been pictures of both cars together?  I have personal pictures of my 'bird being trailored by a Dodge club cab pick-up, no other car in sight.  I have spoken to Patty Lindsley and she never mentioned a second race car. Pete

[Aero426]

I still have the automatic car. The Mecum auction car sounds like the car I inquired about, but the description of how the Lindsleys acquired the cars doesn't ring true.  If there was 2 cars campaigned on the Salt Flats, why haven't there been pictures of both cars together?  I have personal pictures of my 'bird being trailored by a Dodge club cab pick-up, no other car in sight.  I have spoken to Patty Lindsley and she never mentioned a second race car. Pete

I tend to agree.  I do not have first hand info, but that part of the story sounded like BS.

[Redbird]

Jim could easily have owned 2 Superbirds. As to if both cars were driven to the Salt Flats, someone would have to have a picture to convince a lot of people. Jim and Larry Lindsley were also big into Dry Lakes racing. I believe their race car was either a high contender or points champion at the Dry Lakes in one year in the early '70's. Something that stands out in the Mecum description, for me, is that it says the auto car was faster and that is why it was raced. I knew Jim Lindsley. Jim knew everyone in the southern California speed business. Jim and Larry built well built motors. I believe they first raced their Superbird with a factory steel engine block. When I first saw their car it had an alloy KB block, I remember Larry talking about how the starter had to be fixed up to go on the KB. The Lindsleys' had raced a number of cars at Bonneville before the Superbird with pretty trick motors, so my question is why would they would care if the factory motor was faster? The first year when I brought my Superbird to Bonneville with a drag clutch, that didn't work too well, Jim told me exactly who to call and what to ask for in a roller assisted clutch. Jim knew what I needed and where I should get it.

What Bonneville cars going to Bonneville were and are to me is innovation and comradeship. To me, if you can see the innovation that is a piece of history. If an old race car is restored back to factory stock and has some old pictures and timing tags, I believe that is a sanitary investment-the history is gone. If someone has a car and money they can do what they want with a car, but it may not remain history. Jim Fredericks Superbird is history, it is as raced. Art Chrisman's '53 Bonneville coupe is history, it's as raced (cleaned up a little), someone could restore it to a factory Ford coupe it started out as, but then who would care? 

Each of the privately raced Bonneville wing cars had innovations. Woody Walcher brought a number of years of USAC, off road, Pikes Peak and previous Bonneville experience to his Bonneville Daytona. It had the engine know how a USAC privateer had, plus the look of a professionally prepared car in 1970. Vern Judy's Daytona, I believe was the first wing car to use the round Talledaga tires. Vern also used a Dick Landy motor, MSD ignition and and while driving VHS photographing. Mine, I believe was the fastest naturally aspirated max wedge; faster than Andy Granitellis' or Norm Thatchers'; brought a factory overdrive transmission to use.  Jim Fredericks moved the cars into Altereds and a lot more records. Lindsleys' Plymouth brought years of Bonneville experience in Production and Fuel Coupe; was the model for the other later winged cars; kept an injected engine under a stock hood and had gearing innovations. Plus Larry was the most fun to watch off the starting line.

[hemi68charger]

Jim could easily have owned 2 Superbirds. As to if both cars were driven to the Salt Flats, someone would have to have a picture to convince a lot of people. Jim and Larry Lindsley were also big into Dry Lakes racing. I believe their race car was either a high contender or points champion at the Dry Lakes in one year in the early '70's. Something that stands out in the Mecum description, for me, is that it says the auto car was faster and that is why it was raced. I knew Jim Lindsley. Jim knew everyone in the southern California speed business. Jim and Larry built well built motors. I believe they first raced their Superbird with a factory steel engine block. When I first saw their car it had an alloy KB block, I remember Larry talking about how the starter had to be fixed up to go on the KB. The Lindsleys' had raced a number of cars at Bonneville before the Superbird with pretty trick motors, so my question is why would they would care if the factory motor was faster? The first year when I brought my Superbird to Bonneville with a drag clutch, that didn't work too well, Jim told me exactly who to call and what to ask for in a roller assisted clutch. Jim knew what I needed and where I should get it.

What Bonneville cars going to Bonneville were and are to me is innovation and comradeship. To me, if you can see the innovation that is a piece of history. If an old race car is restored back to factory stock and has some old pictures and timing tags, I believe that is a sanitary investment-the history is gone. If someone has a car and money they can do what they want with a car, but it may not remain history. Jim Fredericks Superbird is history, it is as raced. Art Chrisman's '53 Bonneville coupe is history, it's as raced (cleaned up a little), someone could restore it to a factory Ford coupe it started out as, but then who would care? 

Each of the privately raced Bonneville wing cars had innovations. Woody Walcher brought a number of years of USAC, off road, Pikes Peak and previous Bonneville experience to his Bonneville Daytona. It had the engine know how a USAC privateer had, plus the look of a professionally prepared car in 1970. Vern Judy's Daytona, I believe was the first wing car to use the round Talledaga tires. Vern also used a Dick Landy motor, MSD ignition and and while driving VHS photographing. Mine, I believe was the fastest naturally aspirated max wedge; faster than Andy Granitellis' or Norm Thatchers'; brought a factory overdrive transmission to use.  Jim Fredericks moved the cars into Altereds and a lot more records. Lindsleys' Plymouth brought years of Bonneville experience in Production and Fuel Coupe; was the model for the other later winged cars; kept an injected engine under a stock hood and had gearing innovations. Plus Larry was the most fun to watch off the starting line.

Wow!!............. And you've been hiding where?   

Troy

[nascarxx29]

http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0509-79415
http://www.superbirdclub.com/Bonneville.html
http://www.autabuy.com/Gallery/?ID=329468&ShowAdSense=1&K=1970%20Plymouth%20Hemi%20Superbird%20

[tan top]

Jim could easily have owned 2 Superbirds. As to if both cars were driven to the Salt Flats, someone would have to have a picture to convince a lot of people. Jim and Larry Lindsley were also big into Dry Lakes racing. I believe their race car was either a high contender or points champion at the Dry Lakes in one year in the early '70's. Something that stands out in the Mecum description, for me, is that it says the auto car was faster and that is why it was raced. I knew Jim Lindsley. Jim knew everyone in the southern California speed business. Jim and Larry built well built motors. I believe they first raced their Superbird with a factory steel engine block. When I first saw their car it had an alloy KB block, I remember Larry talking about how the starter had to be fixed up to go on the KB. The Lindsleys' had raced a number of cars at Bonneville before the Superbird with pretty trick motors, so my question is why would they would care if the factory motor was faster? The first year when I brought my Superbird to Bonneville with a drag clutch, that didn't work too well, Jim told me exactly who to call and what to ask for in a roller assisted clutch. Jim knew what I needed and where I should get it.

What Bonneville cars going to Bonneville were and are to me is innovation and comradeship. To me, if you can see the innovation that is a piece of history. If an old race car is restored back to factory stock and has some old pictures and timing tags, I believe that is a sanitary investment-the history is gone. If someone has a car and money they can do what they want with a car, but it may not remain history. Jim Fredericks Superbird is history, it is as raced. Art Chrisman's '53 Bonneville coupe is history, it's as raced (cleaned up a little), someone could restore it to a factory Ford coupe it started out as, but then who would care? 

Each of the privately raced Bonneville wing cars had innovations. Woody Walcher brought a number of years of USAC, off road, Pikes Peak and previous Bonneville experience to his Bonneville Daytona. It had the engine know how a USAC privateer had, plus the look of a professionally prepared car in 1970. Vern Judy's Daytona, I believe was the first wing car to use the round Talledaga tires. Vern also used a Dick Landy motor, MSD ignition and and while driving VHS photographing. Mine, I believe was the fastest naturally aspirated max wedge; faster than Andy Granitellis' or Norm Thatchers'; brought a factory overdrive transmission to use.  Jim Fredericks moved the cars into Altereds and a lot more records. Lindsleys' Plymouth brought years of Bonneville experience in Production and Fuel Coupe; was the model for the other later winged cars; kept an injected engine under a stock hood and had gearing innovations. Plus Larry was the most fun to watch off the starting line.

dang Redbird , awesome write up ... good info ! love reading about stuff like this 
was only reading in an old mag yesterday about FLYROD 

[nascarxx29]

Good info thanks for sharing .Inm not sure but I think?? Redbird is Galen Aasland
http://www.superbirdclub.com/Bonneville.html

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8a7638728ab81779af7cecc65c3efa52&topic=49418.new

I have some VHS footage of Jim Frederick's record runs in the Fly Rod Superbird from the early 1980's.    How do we get that posted up on You Tube?

That be good to watch if it gets on there

[nascarxx29]

Wingnut Pete I think this Hemi superbird is the 197800 car you asked about in your first post