Why is it...

[jb666]

That there's so much generational bashing going on between "new" and "old" Charger owners??

Coming from the Corvette world, I dealt with it for years... The old "My C5 is superior to your C4" , and "My C4 is the last REAL Corvette ever built". I always thought it was a crock of crap and brushed it off as snobs with too much $$ and not enough time to talk about their golf game...

Then I came here and to the Charger Forum (when I got my "new" Charger) and can't believe some of the crap. Mine's better. No Mine's better. Real Charger's don't have 4 doors. 1st gen. 2nd gen. 3rd gen's are ugly. My mother punched your mother in the nose what color was the blood?

Ya know, I can understand a little bit of friendly ribbing, but to slam your own brothers (and sisters) is ridiculous.. I don't think my "old" Charger is better than anyone else's, nor do I think my "new" Charger is better than the old models. The "new" Charger is a Charger BY NAME ONLY. To me it's a comfortable car with some really nice power. If it's a "Grandma's car" because it's got 4 doors, so be it, but I know I'd be embarrassed if a 4-door car blew my doors off because I was ignorant of what it could do.

Anyways, not trying to start anything, just trying to understand. I already know y'all think the Vettes are plastic piles of junk, and so be it, but I still love my Z06. Do I discuss it here? Hell no, but can I take it out in street trim and run a low 11 and drive home on windy roads with no problem? All day long.  I left that community because of the generation bashing. It was crazy. Everyone's was better than everyone else's... They all have the same badge!!!

How about just enjoying your car and participating in the same hobby as your brother down the road?? We're all car enthusiasts 

[BB1]

Never hear of it.

[69*F5*SE]

Can't we all just get along?  Peace brothers and sisters....peace.   

[FLG]

Heres how it works for me. I wont "bash" new charger owners but i will give em a good ribbing 

The thing i just do get is you see these new chargers with nice rims, nice paint, and a great audio system....then i look at the front fender and i see NOTHING!! Not even a "3.5 High Output" badge. Come on man, you spend all that money get a dang hemi  LOL!!

If im driving my charger and i see a newer one, usually ill rev it up a bit for kicks.

I dont have a problem with em, but i don't like how Chrysler designed em. I have driven a Hemi Magnum and its a pretty quick car, really enjoyable so id imagine the chargers are probably more fun to drive.

Ribbing is OK, flat out bashing just aint cool.

[jb666]

Never hear of it.

Never, huh? Let me help out..

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,57431.0.html

And you can find a lot more like it.. That's just a good example that made me wonder why Charger owners feel the need to bash another "Charger"?

People will ask "Does that have a Hemi in it??". It does, by name, but it certainly isn't the HEMI of old-school days. Again, restoring a name for profit..

Yet, because it's got two doors, you can find threads where people dig the 80's "Charger" , which doesn't resemble the 60's/70's Chargers at all 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56066.0.html

[CB]

Well, I think because what we put into our 1st, 2nd and 3th gen Chargers (money,time, sweat, tears, research, sometimes ripped off by a seller, fights with the misses, taking second morgage on the house, taking money out of the pension funds etc etc etc) we all know why we put our old cars before the newer ones.

You just have to put cash on the table and you can take off in a new HEMI Charger.

Just my 

CB

PS: I sat in a newer HEMI Charger, it's a cool car but it didn't remind me of an old Charger. It's just a different car...
It was cool in it's way, though!

[jb666]

Well, I think because what we put into our 1st, 2nd and 3th gen Chargers (money,time, sweat, tears, research, sometimes ripped off by a seller, fights with the misses, taking second morgage on the house, taking money out of the pension funds etc etc etc) we all know why we put our old cars before the newer ones.

You just have to put cash on the table and you can take off in a new HEMI Charger.

Just my 

CB

PS: I sat in a newer HEMI Charger, it's a cool car but it didn't remind me of an old Charger. It's just a different car...
It was cool in it's way, though!

I totally agree. It's cool in a new car "wow is this comfortable" way. Until I drove one, I cursed them up and down. HATED THEM. Then I drove one and WOW, I couldn't believe how comfortable, how smooth and how (for a lack of better terms) user friendly the car was. I was hooked.

Do I think it's a retro '69 Hemi Charger? HELL NO, that's quite a funny joke. Is it a fun, comfortable powerful cruising "family" car?? Sure it is!!

[tan top]

Can't we all just get along?  Peace brothers and sisters....peace.   

   

   but we all know 69s are the best    ..............   just kidding guys   all awesome rides 

[jb666]

Just a quick off subject story.. I went to a car show, two seasons ago, in my freshly painted Vette. I pulled in (had my daughter with me) and into a spot. All of the guys were quite a bit older than me and were sitting around with their golf shorts, sun visor caps and polo shirts shooting the breeze about today's golf game, while sitting back comfortably in their collapsible "CORVETTE" chairs. You'd have thought I was the invisible man when walking near their cars.. They were there for the "wow, how cool am I?" factor. 

To me, that's not what this hobby is all about.. I don't care if you have a rotted out '72 Monte Carlo, it's still a cool car, and who am I to say your car's a toilet??

[mikepmcs]

hey Jeff, my car is a toilet.

[jb666]

hey Jeff, my car is a toilet.

Which one 

[Mike DC]

     
The new Charger is a Daimler Benz luxury sedan with a Dodge Ram's motor in it. 


I don't hate it, but it's not really connected to the vintage Mopars in my mind. 

 

[jb666]

     
The new Charger is a Daimler Benz luxury sedan with a Dodge Ram's motor in it. 


I don't hate it, but it's not really connected to the vintage Mopars in my mind. 

 

And it's not in mine, either. And you're right, it's got a lot of Benz engineering/design behind it, which makes it a very comfortable ride.

As for it being "vintage", it's about as vintage as the '84 Camaro is to the '69 Z28. Worlds apart in every aspect. 

But, if I needed a comfortable ride, with some space/power and didn't NEED a truck (any more), I think it's a suitable ride for the job

One thing I'd like to do is retro-fit a set of new Charger Daytona seats in the '69 

[Back N Black]

Well, I think because what we put into our 1st, 2nd and 3th gen Chargers (money,time, sweat, tears, research, sometimes ripped off by a seller, fights with the misses, taking second morgage on the house, taking money out of the pension funds etc etc etc) we all know why we put our old cars before the newer ones.

You just have to put cash on the table and you can take off in a new HEMI Charger.

Just my 

CB

PS: I sat in a newer HEMI Charger, it's a cool car but it didn't remind me of an old Charger. It's just a different car...
It was cool in it's way, though!

I totally agree. It's cool in a new car "wow is this comfortable" way. Until I drove one, I cursed them up and down. HATED THEM. Then I drove one and WOW, I couldn't believe how comfortable, how smooth and how (for a lack of better terms) user friendly the car was. I was hooked.

Do I think it's a retro '69 Hemi Charger? HELL NO, that's quite a funny joke. Is it a fun, comfortable powerful cruising "family" car?? Sure it is!!

I agree with you Jeff, the new Charger is not like the old Charger but still a cool car. It is not designed to capture the old muscle car guy from the 60's and 70's, it designed to captured today's generation. Here is kind of a funny story, i was at my in-laws awhile back and there was a young couple there talking about the cool charger the they had for their wedding day and were saving their money to buy one. That peaked my interest, so i jumped on the conversation and told them i had a charger. Their eyes lit up and they said really, i said yep a 69 charger, they looked at me kinda funny and said 69? i did not know they made chargers in 69, we were talking about a 2006 charger.I showed them a pic and they shrugged their shoulders and said that looks nothing like a charger. There you go.

[Troy]

You haven't seen anything yet. Go back to the days before there even was a "new" Charger and read the stuff written here and on the old site. We even had one particular Moderator who used to move all the new Charger threads to Off Topic (before he purchased one).   Even though the newer models share the same name they certainly don't share the same fan base. I can't count the number of people I've met who don't realize that my '68 is an ancestor to their "Charger". Many don't even know it's the same brand. As you've experienced, it's not just Chargers but nearly every aspect of the car hobby.

What you'll find (primarily at shows) is that people who enjoy "classic" cars, while they don't mind newer cars, think that each has their own place. I sometimes get annoyed seeing new cars at cruise-ins and shows - especially when space is at a premium. I can go to Wal-Mart or Starbucks on any given day and see new Chargers and Mustangs but I'd give myself whiplash if I saw a 32 Coupe, chopped 49 Mercury, or any muscle car in my daily routine. So, same with the site. While many people don't have an opinion either way (and some are a bit too opinionated) it's just not the primary reason for visiting (or participating). I made the "Car Guy's Discussion" area so people who just love cars (like me) have a place to share about their other interests with like-minded individuals without having to go to a different forum. If we were all the same we'd be one boring group!

Troy

[BIRD67]

JB brings up a valid point here, who are we to kid ourselves, we have all done it! This hobby is fueled by Ego, that's the way it always has been.. In my honest opinion, and I am a car nut, but I draw a fine line in the dirt, a car is a car, just like a tennis shoe is a tennis shoe.. People try and compare Apples to Oranges, what other similarities can you come up with other than what catagory they are in??

[skip68]

It all comes down to personal taste.  Some guys like blonde women and some don't.      Some guys don't even like women right Jeff.      

[jb666]

Skip(or should I call you Chuckie?)... You will pay for that.

The rest of you guys are absolutely right about what you've said -- We are in a great hobby, aren't we?? Like I tell people all the time when they say things like "Why do you need 3-4 cars??". Hey, I could be hooked on Heroin or Crack and in/out of rehab with court costs adding up to more than my cars..

I consider myself lucky to be involved enough to even be in a conversation like this. 

[NHCharger]

This hobby is fueled by Ego, that's the way it always has been

I'd have to disagree with that statement. There certainly are some ass hats in the hobby who are full of themselves. Like the guy at the Walmart cruise night with every trophy he's ever won stuffed into the back seat of the car.

Many of us drive a car that brings us back to our high school days. Not sure if we are trying to relive our youth or just brings me back to a much simpler period in my life.

I love all the old muscle cars, just happen to love 3rd gens the most.

My beef with the new Charger is that Dodge used the namesake of the greatest car ever built and slapped it on a 4 door for marketing purposes.

Jeff, would you have purchased your new Charger if it was named Colt, Dynasty or Diplomat?

[jb666]

This hobby is fueled by Ego, that's the way it always has been

I'd have to disagree with that statement. There certainly are some ass hats in the hobby who are full of themselves. Like the guy at the Walmart cruise night with every trophy he's ever won stuffed into the back seat of the car.

Many of us drive a car that brings us back to our high school days. Not sure if we are trying to relive our youth or just brings me back to a much simpler period in my life.

I love all the old muscle cars, just happen to love 3rd gens the most.

My beef with the new Charger is that Dodge used the namesake of the greatest car ever built and slapped it on a 4 door for marketing purposes.

Jeff, would you have purchased your new Charger if it was named Colt, Dynasty or Diplomat?

Colt, no. Dynasty or Diplomat?? It depends , really.. But I see your point, the name packs the punch and drew me towards the car, initially. The thought of owning two Chargers on two different ends of the spectrum was really cool, too..

I remember when the Impala SS was re-introduced. The "classic" guys were pissed. It shared no similarities with the original SS's. I thought the thing was a big pig until I drove one  , it was a Hell of a car until the clown at the dealership totaled it on a test-drive (after an OIL CHANGE).  Would I have bought that if it was the new "Chevy Chevette"?? Probably not, no. But it had a really cool LT1 stuffed under the hood just as this has a 360HP 5.7 under the hood. Good enough to make it get out of it's own way very nicely and keep you VERY comfortable at the same time.

Sure , it's a 4-door car, and I've only owned two others (very modified SHO and the Impala SS), but it's the #1 out of the 3 I've owned, IMO.

Taken with the IPhone tonight

[mikepmcs]

Some guys like blonde women and some don't.    

Strictly Brunette guy right here so that statement is for real.

The new Chargers have really grown on me that's all I can say.  I see em cruisin around all the time now.  I even saw a Magnum today.  I'd drive that no problem....the stereo I could put in that thing would be insane!

[mikepmcs]

Has the best tires on it, that's for sure. 

What's in the spray bottle?

[jb666]

Some guys like blonde women and some don't.    

Strictly Brunette guy right here so that statement is for real.

The new Chargers have really grown on me that's all I can say.  I see em cruisin around all the time now.  I even saw a Magnum today.  I'd drive that no problem....the stereo I could put in that thing would be insane!

My buddy, who does all of my custom audio/video work has a Magnum. It's got a show winning system inside that includes 9 screens, 12 amps, 14 subs and plenty more. You can FEEL this car from 50' away. It's amazing, and quite the platform to build in.

One thing I DO love the looks of on the 'new' Charger is the Shaker setup.. Very nice, and on my list of to-dos.

[jb666]

Has the best tires on it, that's for sure. 

What's in the spray bottle?

Spray wax. I use it to mist each panel (and the pad) before applying the polish. It makes it spread easier and helps conserve the amount of polish used. I've used it for years and buy it by the gallon from my supplier. I also mist the entire car after washing it, before I dry it. Adds a lot of depth.

[mikepmcs]

Spray wax. I use it to mist each panel (and the pad) before applying the polish. It makes it spread easier and helps conserve the amount of polish used. I've used it for years and buy it by the gallon from my supplier. I also mist the entire car after washing it, before I dry it. Adds a lot of depth.

Wow, what a great trick/tip.  I think I'll steal that method from you.

I'm not in your buddy's league on the stereo deal.  I wouldn't be doing it for competition but I sure would like to see/hear that stereo.

[jb666]

Spray wax. I use it to mist each panel (and the pad) before applying the polish. It makes it spread easier and helps conserve the amount of polish used. I've used it for years and buy it by the gallon from my supplier. I also mist the entire car after washing it, before I dry it. Adds a lot of depth.

Wow, what a great trick/tip.  I think I'll steal that method from you.

You won't regret it, especially on that new finish  Use it on your glass, too!! Streak free and the next time it rains the water cascades right off the windows.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

We even had one particular Moderator who used to move all the new Charger threads to Off Topic (before he purchased one).  

Hmm....I dont recall doing that on my own (that is if you are referring to me?)

There are a few members that cant let it go sadly...

[bull]

Well, you asked so here goes...

To me the new Charger is just a slap in the face, or at least a cheesy attempt to cash in on a name that has a long and esteemed legacy attached to it. Not to step on any toes among the 66-67 or 71-74 brothers and sisters here but the 2nd gen Charger is one of the most universally-loved cars in the history of mankind. I know that sounds like something a third-grader might say but if you think about it you know it's the truth. I don't know how many people I've talked to over the years who absolutely gush when they see a 68-70 Charger. Doesn't matter if they are Ford guys, Chevy guys, Prius hippy girls or bicycle riders, everyone loves the Charger. I've never heard one negative thing from anyone about how the 2nd gen looks. Sure, I might get some ribbing about Mopar in general from Ford or Chevy guys but no one dislikes the look or will even bother ribbing me about the design. You just can't. It's would be like saying German chocolate sucks or Alfredo in Paris is inedible. Any such statement would make no sense. The body design of the car is pretty much perfect IMO. That's why I'm killing myself to own and restore one. I cannot say enough good things about the 2nd gen Charger and especially the 68 model. If ever I've come close to worshipping an inanimate object the 68 Charger would be it. From the day I first saw one at the age of 13 until now, the 2nd gen is the best looking car ever. End of story.

Fast-forward to 2006. Amid an age where every dirty little marketing trick is used in a lame attempt to pry the money out of our hands, along comes a four-door sedan that looks nothing like anything Dodge has produced to date, let alone even the ugliest car ever to wear the Charger name prior. The cheesy marketing ploys didn't end there either. All of a sudden damn-near everything was fitted with an R/T badge and we got Daytona and Rumble Bee pickups (huh?), Daytona Charger sedans, Power Wagon pickups, yadda-yadda, the list goes on. Long story short, there is no way this new sedan does anything to honor the name. Maybe my expectations are too high but I expected at least some effort from Dodge in the design department to at least try to emulate the classic design. My main argument from the beginning has been that this car should not have been called Charger because it does not fit the definition nor does it honor the legacy. The ONLY reason it was given the name "Charger" is because the dealers and Germans thought it would make them more money. I realize that is the name of the game these days but Chrysler has gone out of it's way for far too long to make sure they do next to nothing to help us out or honor the hard work and brand-loyalty we fervently adhere to. Their indifference shows in the aftermarket parts domain, it shows in the memorabilia domain and it shows in the badging they so flippantly stick to whatever car they feel like sticking it to. At least they made some effort to honor the legacy back in '99 when they released the new Charger concept. I thought that car was a decent effort even though it had two back doors. At least the design paid tribute to what is still the best looking car mankind has managed to build.

One other point I'll make is in regards to all the freelance redesigns all over the internet since about 2005. Have you at any time in the history of the internet (or even the pen and paper) seen a car more redesigned by the public than the '06-'09 Charger? Compare this to the new Challenger. While the Challenger is obviously quite different than the classic example it still pays tribute to the car, shares copious amounts of styling queues and honors the name by not only emulating its parent car but actually one-upping it in many areas. Additionally, I have yet to see anyone redesign the new Challenger on their own time at home and post their results on the internet. And yet how many redesign efforts have we seen on the Charger? I can think of at least 5 or 6 popular ones off the top of my head and I know there are more. This speaks volumes to me about the general discontent over Chrysler's lack of understanding and concern for something so adored by the public.

Lastly, I don't mean to berate anyone for their choice in cars but my frustration is somewhat renewed every time someone posts pics of their "Charger" and expects us to lavish it with praise. I just can't do it, and for the most part lately I've decided to try ignoring it. Part of my frustration is the lack of unity on the subject because I can't help but think had we not settled for mediocrity we wouldn't have been given it. Instead now there seems to be maybe a 60/40 split between those that hate it and those who like/tolerate it. I hate it, but only because I love the classic example so much. When all is said and done, had they only given the car a different name I think none of the controversy would ever have happened.

This may sound smug, maybe it is, but I just feel as though anyone who welcomed the new "Charger" with open arms must not have loved the classic Charger as much as those who didn't.

[jb666]

Very well said.. And don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping for joy because this is a "Charger", I just love the car for it's comforts and power. It's a GREAT daily driver. Had it been named something cool like the Dodge SS would it have been more fitting? Yes, and I'd still buy one. I personally think they did a good job on this car. I DO NOT think they did the classic Charger name any justice, but go to ANY F-body forum and tell them you're happy to own a CLASSIC Camaro and post a pic of your '87 Z28. You'll get laughed off the forum.

Same with the Ford guys.. The "new" Mustang , although staying alive and a LOT more retro than the other guys still isn't the 'classic' Mustang.

If Dodge retro'd the Cuda there would be a line of guys waiting to buy one (much like the Challenger). I was one of those guys in 2006 saying "WTF is Dodge doing!?!?!". I'm sorry, I love my '69 like I've never loved another car (one of those 10 year old HAVE TO HAVE deals), but this is a Hell of a daily driver. If you haven't had a chance to drive a loaded R/T or SRT, give it a try, I think you'll agree it's quite a car.

[bull]

Very well said.. And don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping for joy because this is a "Charger", I just love the car for it's comforts and power. It's a GREAT daily driver. Had it been named something cool like the Dodge SS would it have been more fitting? Yes, and I'd still buy one. I personally think they did a good job on this car. I DO NOT think they did the classic Charger name any justice, but go to ANY F-body forum and tell them you're happy to own a CLASSIC Camaro and post a pic of your '87 Z28. You'll get laughed off the forum.

Same with the Ford guys.. The "new" Mustang , although staying alive and a LOT more retro than the other guys still isn't the 'classic' Mustang.

If Dodge retro'd the Cuda there would be a line of guys waiting to buy one (much like the Challenger). I was one of those guys in 2006 saying "WTF is Dodge doing!?!?!". I'm sorry, I love my '69 like I've never loved another car (one of those 10 year old HAVE TO HAVE deals), but this is a Hell of a daily driver. If you haven't had a chance to drive a loaded R/T or SRT, give it a try, I think you'll agree it's quite a car.

I agree about the Camaro/Mustang/etc., but you can at least see that the styling queues are there. Think about it this way though, take that new Camaro design and add two more doors. How much more howling cries of pain would we be hearing? In essence that is what has happened with the new Charger. Not only did Chrysler completely ignore ANY styling queues, they added two extra doors. The only thing the new one shares with the old one is that it can be identified as an automobile made by Dodge. That's it.

[mikepmcs]

When all is said and done, had they only given the car a different name I think none of the controversy would ever have happened.

I'd say the marketing team knew exactly what they were doing and accomplished the desired effect. Popularity can be achieved in many ways and through various methods.

[jb666]

Very well said.. And don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping for joy because this is a "Charger", I just love the car for it's comforts and power. It's a GREAT daily driver. Had it been named something cool like the Dodge SS would it have been more fitting? Yes, and I'd still buy one. I personally think they did a good job on this car. I DO NOT think they did the classic Charger name any justice, but go to ANY F-body forum and tell them you're happy to own a CLASSIC Camaro and post a pic of your '87 Z28. You'll get laughed off the forum.

Same with the Ford guys.. The "new" Mustang , although staying alive and a LOT more retro than the other guys still isn't the 'classic' Mustang.

If Dodge retro'd the Cuda there would be a line of guys waiting to buy one (much like the Challenger). I was one of those guys in 2006 saying "WTF is Dodge doing!?!?!". I'm sorry, I love my '69 like I've never loved another car (one of those 10 year old HAVE TO HAVE deals), but this is a Hell of a daily driver. If you haven't had a chance to drive a loaded R/T or SRT, give it a try, I think you'll agree it's quite a car.

True, very true. There are HINTS of the 'old' car around the back window. Very faint, but there's a slight resemblance. The only other thing that reminds me of my car is the R/T emblem   Other than that, they were just trying to think outside the box. Wayyy outside the box. Did they fail? If they were trying to keep the legacy alive, YES. If they wanted to make a cool car with a cool name, no.

You are right, a 4 door Camaro/Corvette/Mustang would certainly have the world spinning the wrong way.   At least with the Impala there was a 4 door all along.
I agree about the Camaro/Mustang/etc., but you can at least see that the styling queues are there. Think about it this way though, take that new Camaro design and add two more doors. How much more howling cries of pain would we be hearing? In essence that is what has happened with the new Charger. Not only did Chrysler completely ignore ANY styling queues, they added two extra doors. The only thing the new one shares with the old one is that it can be identified as an automobile made by Dodge. That's it.

[OneofNoneRT]

HOLD IT! Bull this is for you!!

[bull]

HOLD IT! Bull this is for you!!

What? A Polar bear in a snow storm?

[OneofNoneRT]

Bull..I Agree with you on 1 thing that is the 2nd gen charger is one of the most popular cars in history.. Its design was like none had seen before and wowed the masses.. It does not resemble the 66/67 does it mean it should not wear the badge? Same goes for the 08. Performance wise stock r/t or srt will run with r/t of yore. Thru the Turns it will leave it in the dust.. Germans have some excellent engineers. They put there technology into it in places it needed. Just drive it and you will see..
I own Both a 1968 R/T I have had since 1980.. I love this car, My heart races when I think about driving her again.. No I do not get that passion with the 08, but I enjoy driving it and getting the compliments,,My Wife loves this car she gets compliments on it all the time. I dont think you could by it from her..
IMO.. the 1968 is a Supercar..one that will go down in history as one. the Late models will NEVER wear that badge
But I am telling you this.. After driving /owning this car.. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CAR WEARING THIS BADGE,,!!
Hear that Bull..

[bull]

I hear you. What I also hear by reading between the lines is that you don't necessarily think the new version honors the legacy of the Charger name, or at the very least, you can understand why many people have a problems accepting that it does. Right? Let me put it this way, even the guys who love the new Charger don't necessarily believe it has much at all in common with the classic version except maybe in the area of performance.

[OneofNoneRT]

Did the Cordoba Version? How bout the SHELBY 2+2 version?? This is a way more honorable version.. FOR us it would have to be one hell of a car to top or equal the 68, so maybe they screwed up when they did not badge the VIPER as a CHARGER.. I do not think they realized the potential of the retro when they designed this car.. like they did with the stang,, so again they played catch up with the chally..

[ChgrSteve67]

"Coronet"

If I bought a Dodge LX sedan I would have to change the badge.

Steve (Owner of a Chrysler 300C)

[OneofNoneRT]

 

Coronet
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A coronet of a British earl

A coronet is a small crown consisting of ornaments fixed on a metal ring. Unlike a crown, a coronet never has arches.

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Charger may refer to:
A medieval war horse, such as the destrier, courser or rouncey.

Which would you prefer??

[bull]

Did the Cordoba Version? How bout the SHELBY 2+2 version?? This is a way more honorable version.. FOR us it would have to be one hell of a car to top or equal the 68, so maybe they screwed up when they did not badge the VIPER as a CHARGER.. I do not think they realized the potential of the retro when they designed this car.. like they did with the stang,, so again they played catch up with the chally..

No, those cars didn't honor the name either. And I don't think anyone has argued that they did. But that's like pointing the finger at your brother's mischief in defense of your own. IMO two (or three or four) wrongs don't make a right. Still, I would have appreciated at least some effort to emulate the 2nd gen.

And I agree with the rest of what you said. In fact I'll go one further by saying they eventually DID realize the potential for a retro and we now have the Challenger because of that realization.

[jb666]

Dude, that's Bull.

Ok, ok, bad joke.. I just wanted to say that 

[SFRT]

2nd generation Charger possible the most iconic american Musclecar ever made. fairly sparse on the ground as well. struggle to find fix and own one for most people. no matter what your prefrence is, a 2nd gen cannot be denied, its unique.

that 4 door thing is an ok car, but in no way or shape deserves to sully the name. the new Charger is ersatz in the lamest possible way. Might as well make a 4 door Probe and call it a Mustang Cobra. it is just freakin lame.

[b5blue]

Can't we all just get along! Gladly NO! Until I stumbled across this sight by following Mike's link on eBay (after drooling over one of his restored instrument clusters) I thought I was alone and probably nuts. Since then I've seen more guys put more work time and money into these cars than anything else ever...having cut my teeth on restoring Jags and other sports cars that's saying something...some of these guys put any standard to shame! Every detail is cross examined, referenced, documented and debated openly. At the same time anyone with any question will get help quickly. The forum is open to all opinions and I like that honesty. If someone likes or dislikes anything they are free to state so...it's just THEIR opinion. Bottom line I've seen here is if you have a problem...someone here will try to help (even if it has nothing to do with a Charger). You can't get that mix without conflicting opinions. Now I think I remember reading years ago Chrysler bought Renault who intern had bought AMC and had developed a "platform" that could be easily made into a 2 or 4 door...2 or 4 wheel drive chassis. I'm thinking Puget (sp?) may be in there too somewhere(?) Anyway that's the chassis under the new Charger and Challenger NOT a German product. All the Germans did from what I can tell is raid Chrysler for all the R/D of that chassis and kill a cash cow by breaking all of Lee's rules that had returned them to profit by having tons of cars produced (there bonus was on production not sales) with no where to go. My OPINION...I like all Chrysler's...just some more than others. PS If anyone remembers anything different PLEASE chime in, I can't recall where I read what I wrote!           

[BB1]

Freedom of thought and expression, what a concept, we must stamp it out!   

[mauve66]

whats a vette??

[b5blue]

Someone who was in the armed forces!

[mikepmcs]

 
I giggled a little..

On another note, I've had a couple newer vettes.  I like em' and always have, but I only like the looks of certain years.  I actually like the newer style better than any old style, how's that for 180ing this thread.  
Jeff's is sweet!
Beer has a nice one as well.... and it's on crack.

[Ranger Max]

 

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/a-four-door-corvette-ar36290/picture172014.html

[jb666]

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/a-four-door-corvette-ar36290/picture172014.html

that's quite disturbing.

[Ranger Max]

 

that's quite disturbing

Care to expond on that?

[tan top]

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/a-four-door-corvette-ar36290/picture172014.html

that's quite disturbing.

best looking chebby corvette  i have ever seen     just kidding   any corvette dudes out there 

[jb666]

That's what mine looked like pre-paint. I've never seen that before. Either way, it'd be cool to own.

[ChgrSteve67]

I think GMC should make it and FORD should make a 4 door Mustang.

Its what the public really wants.

[mauve66]

 

[BoDuke]

I think GMC should make it and FORD should make a 4 door Mustang.

Its what the public really wants.

You want the Chevy and Ford to look just as stupid as Dodge.

[jb666]

..

I think GMC should make it and FORD should make a 4 door Mustang.

Its what the public really wants.

You want the Chevy and Ford to look just as stupid as Dodge.

Like they already do, you mean? Besides the Mustang and The Vette they aren't making anything worthwhile either!! 

I had a buddy tell me, yesterday (and this guy is a car nut) "hey have you seen the new Taurus? It's pretty cool". That's when I knew the whole "new car" scene had changed 

[Charger-Bodie]

This thread was locked at the request of jb666.