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Engine has run on.

Started by CFMopar, July 29, 2005, 01:13:42 PM

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CFMopar

Sometimes my engine shuts off great other times it runs on a bit. What causes run on?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

Wakko

Low octane can do it.  Are you using quality gas? 
Ian

'69 Basketcase, bluetooth powered

Boynton 236 F&AM

CFMopar

you allways premium. 75% of my tank right now is 94 octane. Toped it up with some 91 but it was doing it from time to time with the 94
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

Charger4404spd

Is it running hot? Timing set right? Spark plugs have the correct heat range?

Charger_Fan

Sometimes a vacuum leak can cause that too.

The Aquamax...yes, this bike spent 2 nights underwater one weekend. (Not my doing), but it gained the name, and has since become pseudo-famous. :)

firefighter3931

Fuel leaking from the boosters will cause runon.... timing way out of spec.....plugs to warm (heat range). If the problem persists just turn the key off with the transmission in gear....then move it to park once the motor has stopped. This won't fix the problem but will stop it from dieseling while you searth for the problem.

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

Could be fuel leaking from the booster and by booster i assume u mean the squirter. Its not timing just got that sorted out. The plugs in their now are the ones right off the computer at crappy tire. Maybe its running warmer than I think. I know its got a pin hole leak in the top tank of the rad but sometimes the car isnt even running that long before it does it.
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

Wakko

How old is the motor?  Cleaned the chambers lately? 
Ian

'69 Basketcase, bluetooth powered

Boynton 236 F&AM

firefighter3931

You should be running a "12" series plug in that motor....more than likely you've got 14's in there if you're going off the computer. I prefer NGK plugs myself...something equivelant to a 12 series heat range at .035 gap.

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

Can I run a bigger gap with my crane hi-6 and my accel coil?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Yep...you could open it up to .045 for a bigger spark with the aftermarket box

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

Whats the part number on those ngk plugs u run?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Quote from: Thread_Marshal on July 31, 2005, 08:23:49 PM
Whats the part number on those ngk plugs u run?


Actually, you wouldn't want to run the same plugs as me....the e-heads use a smaller 5/8 sparkplug. ;)   The NGK plug you should be using is a v-groove, electrode part # XR5. Call around to parts stores in your area (napa etc...) that carry NGK and see if they've got them in stock. If not have them order a set for you.

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

How do you tell the heat range of a plug anyways?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

Thats cool i didnt realize that you could read the heat range off the plug. But I meant how can I tell whats the heat range by looking at the plug. Sio I know which ones to buy
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Generally speaking, the hotter the motor the cooler the plug that is needed to prevent pre-ignition....see link:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ignition-system2.htm

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

I have the rj12yc or whatever in the car now. I pulled one and did notice some black specks on it. I remeber you saying that that is a sign of detention. I guess I got to pull the timing a bit? Or maybe a colder plug?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Quote from: Thread_Marshal on August 01, 2005, 10:24:41 PM
I have the rj12yc or whatever in the car now. I pulled one and did notice some black specks on it. I remeber you saying that that is a sign of detention. I guess I got to pull the timing a bit? Or maybe a colder plug?

Does it have the 12's in there or "the whatever"...it does make a difference.   ;) I'm pretty sure that using the computer at Crappy Tire will give you a 14 series plug, which is wrong for your application. Pull it again and make sure of what's in there....would be my advice. The ngk part # i posted is the equivelant of a 12 seies champion heat range....try those.

Black or silver specs on the porcelin indicate a preignition condition is present inside the combustion chamber. Slap the ngk's in there and see how they look before adjusting the timing. You are running 94 octane Sunoco Gold in the car aren't you ?

Ron

Ps> Run a cranking compression test on the engine next time you pull the plugs....i'm curious as to how much cylinder pressure this motor has.
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

Chryco Psycho

what really chokes me is Sun oil co head offices are here in downtown Calgary but we cannot get Sunoco Gold anywhere west of the Ont Man border  :flame:

CFMopar

Ya it is the 12's. Ill look at buying a piar of ngks today and sawaping them in and watching what happens. Ya its 94. Sometimes I fill up with a little less octane but nothing lower than 91-92


Compression test is done with the gauge in and u crank the engine by hand or can I use the starter?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Keep running the 94 octane fuel.

To get a proper compression reading, pull all the plugs and disconnect the fuel line before the pump. That is important because you don't want to wash down the cylinder walls with gas. Open the throttle all the way...remove the return spring to make it easier to keep open. Crank the engine over using the key or even the starter relay. Pull the coil wire as well to keep it from arcing over.

What you're looking for is uniformity between all the cylinders. I'm also interested in the cranking compression # in psi.

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

can the cranking psi give u an idea of the compression ration?
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g

firefighter3931

Quote from: Thread_Marshal on August 02, 2005, 09:02:51 PM
can the cranking psi give u an idea of the compression ration?

To a degree....but camshaft profile will also come into play. Cylinder pressure will tell us how detonation prone the motor will be. So, what are the #'s ?

Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

CFMopar

going to do it tomarrow. Bought a compression gauge today. Gotta do a bunch of crap today so i wont get around to it.
1971 Charger SE 440 automatic
2014 Ram EcoDiesel Laramie
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCkKIkpXr-77fWg7JkeoV_g