Good kit?

[paulgrr63]

Is this a good kit? Has good parts and the price is right. What do you guys think?

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/3776PK/10002/-1#

[SuperCharger]

lol is what a good kit? lol

[mikepmcs]

 

[Foreman72]

possible forgotten link my good man...

[paulgrr63]

lol is what a good kit? lol

OOOps  

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/3776PK/10002/-1#

[mikepmcs]

Still forgot to post it though.  I'm guessing maybe something to do with a rear end or cam???

[paulgrr63]

Still forgot to post it though.  I'm guessing maybe something to do with a rear end or cam???

You reply too fast and I type too slow

[mikepmcs]

Hasselhoff says this is a good kit(t)

[Foreman72]

lol is what a good kit? lol

OOOps  

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/3776PK/10002/-1#

yeah i mean its a really total package u kno...i mean if your looking for a no guesswork kinda deal then i think thats on the $$

[mikepmcs]

don't forget this stuff with your order.

# requires p/n 350-8008 or p/n 350-8024 stud, nut & washer kit
# carb requires automatic transmission rod extension kit p/n 350-8003 for 1/4'' rod or p/n 350-8004 for 5/16'' rod.

What do you have in the rear again?

WWRWD?     

[paulgrr63]

Hasselhoff says this is a good kit(t)

This is the cam that comes in the kit.......is it "too much"?

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/2177/10002/-1

Carb: http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/1406/10002/-1

Intake: http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/3776/10002/-1

[paulgrr63]

don't forget this stuff with your order.

# requires p/n 350-8008 or p/n 350-8024 stud, nut & washer kit
# carb requires automatic transmission rod extension kit p/n 350-8003 for 1/4'' rod or p/n 350-8004 for 5/16'' rod.

What do you have in the rear again?

8 1/4" 2.71 gears

And do I need to get the 1/4" or 5/16"?

The stud kits come in 5/16''-18 x 1-3/4'' and 5/16''-18 x 1-3/8'' sizes. Which one should I get?

[mikepmcs]

Maybe this would be a better combo.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CMB-03-0162&autoview=sku

Gonna need a gear change to utilize the power I would imagine.

Once again WWRWD??   My new motto when it comes to engine questions.

[paulgrr63]

Maybe this would be a better combo.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CMB-03-0162&autoview=sku

Gonna need a gear change to utilize the power I would imagine.

Once again WWRWD??   My new motto when it comes to engine questions.

That is the kit I originally had in mind. firefighter3931 recommended 3.23-3.55 gears but I wouldn't even know where to start. What would I need to buy in order to do a gear change and what is the price tag?

[paulgrr63]

Did some searching and came up with this....http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=DCC-4529271&N=700+4294925134+4294839047+400172+4294918962+4294902626+115&autoview=sku

Is that all I need for a gear change? Sorry for all the stupid questions 

[mikepmcs]

Hence the WWRWD.  Let's wait and see what he has to say.  As far as the gear change goes.  Ring and pinion gear set around $300, finding an experienced person to set the lash so you don't destroy it...Priceless.
Actually, you could do it with the FSM and some patience.

I imagine you'll want a sure grip in there too, new axle seals, bearings while you are in there, etc....getting expensive.  Time to start searching the yards for an 8.25 that's already stacked.  I have no leads but others will come on with advice i'm sure.  I'm just throwing things out there.  As I look at the price of the kits you and I both posted, I tend to think of the rest of your motor as far as longevity.  How's the bottom end?  Is the motor fresh, etc....That's a lot of coin to put into a mani/carb/cam combo when the bottom might need to be refreshed as well.  Are you thinking of dropping in a big block in the future, etc...  Lots of things would be going through my mind deciding if this is the right move. I'm not saying it isn't the right move, i'm just saying......

And none of your questions are stupid.

Mike

[paulgrr63]

Hence the WWRWD.  Let's wait and see what he has to say.  As far as the gear change goes.  Ring and pinion gear set around $300, finding an experienced person to set the lash so you don't destroy it...Priceless.
Actually, you could do it with the FSM and some patience.

I imagine you'll want a sure grip in there too, new axle seals, bearings while you are in there, etc....getting expensive.  Time to start searching the yards for an 8.25 that's already stacked.  I have no leads but others will come on with advice i'm sure.  I'm just throwing things out there.  As I look at the price of the kits you and I both posted, I tend to think of the rest of your motor as far as longevity.  How's the bottom end?  Is the motor fresh, etc....That's a lot of coin to put into a mani/carb/cam combo when the bottom might need to be refreshed as well.  Are you thinking of dropping in a big block in the future, etc...  Lots of things would be going through my mind deciding if this is the right move. I'mnot saying it isn't the right move, i'm just saying......

Mike

The motor is not rebuilt but it has always been babied. It has 50k miles on it. I am thinking(actually drooling) about putting a 360 in there. I'm sticking to small blocks for now

BTW this is just for a weekend driver. Not planning on going to the strip any time soon. Wouldn't mind spinning some tires though

[mikepmcs]

Ok, then back to the kit maybe not being a bad idea.  Like I said, let's wait and see what others have to say and maybe they can piece together another combo in the same $ ballpark that might do you more good. 

I saw the 360 thread as well. I suggest staying with what you got and sprucing that up.  Your wallet will thank you.

[paulgrr63]

Ok, then back to the kit maybe not being a bad idea.  Like I said, let's wait and see what others have to say and maybe they can piece together another combo in the same $ ballpark that might do you more good. 

I saw the 360 thread as well. I suggest staying with what you got and sprucing that up.  Your wallet will thank you.

I'll be anxiously waiting for posts

I was really thinking about the 360 but changed my mind. I figured.....if I have a perfectly healthy 318 that I can do some mods to then why dump 8k into a 360?

The 360 still isn't out of the equation though

[mikepmcs]

 
Well get it out of the equation. 

[paulgrr63]

Well get it out of the equation. 

[Purple440]

8k for a 360?  I have 6k in my 440..balanced and blueprinted.

From what I remember, Chryco was saying the Edelbrock Performer intake is worse than the M1 manifold.  Have you considered an M1 dual plane instead?  I know you're looking that the Eddy package.  That cam looks pretty small (204@.050).  What about just throwing in some 3:55 gears and leaving the 318 as is?  You said it's running really well as is.

Sorry for all the stupid questions 

No such thing...search on my name and you'll feel better about your questions 

Wouldn't mind spinning some tires though

GEARS!

[paulgrr63]

8k for a 360?  I have 6k in my 440..balanced and blueprinted.

From what I remember, Chryco was saying the Edelbrock Performer intake is worse than the M1 manifold.  Have you considered an M1 dual plane instead?  I know you're looking that the Eddy package.  That cam looks pretty small (204@.050).  What about just throwing in some 3:55 gears and leaving the 318 as is?  You said it's running really well as is.

Sorry for all the stupid questions 

No such thing...search on my name and you'll feel better about your questions 

Wouldn't mind spinning some tires though

GEARS!

6k for a complete 440? Sign me up

Ok.....I'm about to just drop the package and just get an intake and new carb, new gears and call it a day. If only I knew what I needed to change the gears

Should I get the M1 or a Weiand intake?

[paulgrr63]

Surely someone here has changed gears before.

[mikepmcs]

Go with a dual plane intake and as far as gears go, get a set of Richmonds off ebay and have them professionally installed. Unless you want to try and tackle it yourself with a service manual.  You should be able to do it but it will take some time and patience.

[paulgrr63]

Go with a dual plane intake and as far as gears go, get a set of Richmonds off ebay and have them professionally installed. Unless you want to try and tackle it yourself with a service manual.  You should be able to do it but it will take some time and patience.

I didn't find any Richmonds on ebay but I did find them on this site for a good price...... http://www.peytonperformance.com/item--SCR82502-Sportsman-Gear-By-Richmond--SCR82502.html

What do you think?

[mikepmcs]

I'd have to say, that seems to be a good price.  What's summit have them for $.

[paulgrr63]

I'd have to say, that seems to be a good price.  What's summit have them for $.

Found these 2 on Summit. Why is one more expensive than the other?

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RMG-4900741&N=700+400137+4294925134+4294839047+4294918962+4294902626+4294790782+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RMG-CR825355&N=700+400137+4294925134+4294839047+4294918962+4294902626+4294790782+115&autoview=sku

[firefighter3931]

Go with a dual plane intake and as far as gears go, get a set of Richmonds off ebay and have them professionally installed. Unless you want to try and tackle it yourself with a service manual.  You should be able to do it but it will take some time and patience.

I didn't find any Richmonds on ebay but I did find them on this site for a good price...... http://www.peytonperformance.com/item--SCR82502-Sportsman-Gear-By-Richmond--SCR82502.html

What do you think?

The 3.55 is a very good dual purpose gear and the price is in the ballpark....most ring & pinion sets go for ~ $200. The other thing you might want to consider is a suregrip unit....boiling one tire off the line isn't any fun.  

I guess you need to ask yourself what the long term goals are for this car. There's no point in dumping a lot of money into an 8.25 3rd member if your long term goals are to go with a Big Block.  



Ron

[paulgrr63]

Go with a dual plane intake and as far as gears go, get a set of Richmonds off ebay and have them professionally installed. Unless you want to try and tackle it yourself with a service manual.  You should be able to do it but it will take some time and patience.

I didn't find any Richmonds on ebay but I did find them on this site for a good price...... http://www.peytonperformance.com/item--SCR82502-Sportsman-Gear-By-Richmond--SCR82502.html

What do you think?

The 3.55 is a very good dual purpose gear and the price is in the ballpark....most ring & pinion sets go for ~ $200. The other thing you might want to consider is a suregrip unit....boiling one tire off the line isn't any fun.  

I guess you need to ask yourself what the long term goals are for this car. There's no point in dumping a lot of money into an 8.25 3rd member if your long term goals are to go with a Big Block.  



Ron

Should I go with the cheaper set from summit? Whats the difference between the $160 set and the $280 set? I assume the cheaper one is more for street use?
Found this suregrip on Summit http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=DCC-4529273&N=700+304615+4294902626+4294925074+115&autoview=sku Will that do the deed?

So far I have the ring/pinion and the suregrip. Is that all I need to change gears?

BTW I am sticking to a small block. My wallet wouldn't like a BB I don't know how you guys put up with me

[Purple440]

Going from 2.71 gears to 3:55 would be a nice performance increase for the money. 

My '71 Charger had a 318 when I bought it.  Just stock with a 2-bbl carb.   I bought an Eddy carb and intake kit thinking I would get a huge power increase...but I was 18 and didn't understand things.  It didn't do a damn thing, as far as I could tell, except burn a hole in my wallet.  Figure out what your engine specs are before you start spending money on top end (carb/intake) upgrades.  Is the engine all stock?

Are you going to tear down the engine or just do upgrades that allow the engine to stay in the car?  Maybe a modern electronic ignition would be a good idea.  Ron and others could help you with that option.  Think MSD/Mallory distro/Blaster coil...new plugs and wires.

I heard of a guy back in the day that had this rocken 318 and could roast the tires...he had NO money for serious engine work...he probably had steep gears. (3:91 or more)



- Doug

[paulgrr63]

Going from 2.71 gears to 3:55 would be a nice performance increase for the money. 

My '71 Charger had a 318 when I bought it.  Just stock with a 2-bbl carb.   I bought an Eddy carb and intake kit thinking I would get a huge power increase...but I was 18 and didn't understand things.  It didn't do a damn thing, as far as I could tell, except burn a hole in my wallet.  Figure out what your engine specs are before you start spending money on top end (carb/intake) upgrades.  Is the engine all stock?

Are you going to tear down the engine or just do upgrades that allow the engine to stay in the car?  Maybe a modern electronic ignition would be a good idea.  Ron and others could help you with that option.  Think MSD/Mallory distro/Blaster coil...new plugs and wires.

I heard of a guy back in the day that had this rocken 318 and could roast the tires...he had NO money for serious engine work...he probably had steep gears. (3:91 or more)



- Doug

I'm getting a carb/intake/cam. Eventually down the road I will take the engine out and do more mods but for now that will do The gears are definitely going to be changed out.

Money is not an issue for the engine work. I just don't want it to get to the point where I could have bought a 360 or a BB by the time I'm done with the 318.

[Purple440]

Have you picked out a intake/carb/cam combo yet?  When I had my 318 a local Chrysler racer told me I could get 300HP+ out of my 318 if I did it right.

Good luck man, I'll be curious on your build. 


- Doug

[paulgrr63]

Have you picked out a intake/carb/cam combo yet?  When I had my 318 a local Chrysler racer told me I could get 300HP+ out of my 318 if I did it right.

Good luck man, I'll be curious on your build. 


- Doug

I have the carb and intake. Not sure what cam I should get. And yes, it is an all stock engine.

[Purple440]

so what carb and intake did you get?

[paulgrr63]

so what carb and intake did you get?

I haven't bought it yet. I'll try to stop being so damn confusing    I should rephrase that to I know what carb and intake I am going to get. Just need to know what cam. I am going to order it all from the same site so I don't have to pay shipping twice.

I am going with this intake http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DCC-4876335 and this carb http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL-1405

[mikepmcs]

so what carb and intake did you get?

I haven't bought it yet. I'll try to stop being so damn confusing    I should rephrase that to I know what carb and intake I am going to get. Just need to know what cam. I am going to order it all from the same site so I don't have to pay shipping twice.

I am going with this intake http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DCC-4876335 and this carb http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL-1405

Not my choice for a carb, but then again I don't know much.  I would look at the 1406 model, comes with a choke.

[paulgrr63]

so what carb and intake did you get?

I haven't bought it yet. I'll try to stop being so damn confusing    I should rephrase that to I know what carb and intake I am going to get. Just need to know what cam. I am going to order it all from the same site so I don't have to pay shipping twice.

I am going with this intake http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DCC-4876335 and this carb http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL-1405

Not my choice for a carb, but then again I don't know much.  I would look at the 1406 model, comes with a choke.

When you say "not my choice for a carb", do you mean the brand or the choke?
Sounds good....http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL-1406&N=700+115&autoview=sku
also been looking at this cam....http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA-CL20-222-3

[mikepmcs]

The brand.  Can't go by my opinion though.  It's inexpensive and should do an adequate job for your application.
I leave the why's to the experts who know much more than I.

[paulgrr63]

The brand.  Can't go by my opinion though.  It's inexpensive and should do an adequate job for your application.
I leave the why's to the experts who know much more than I.

Everyone seems to like Holley on here and on moparts. Hows this http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=HLY-0-80670&view=1&N=700+150+ ?

[mikepmcs]

That looks like a good one that will still be of some use when you get some power mods in the future.
I'd ask Ron and them guys to make sure though.