Going back to Intrepid in nascar

[70charginglizard]

I heard the announcers today during the race idicate that some of the dodge drivers are going back to there intrepid cars next year due to the problems with the charger front nose design. Anyone else hear about this?

Why doesn't this suprise me.

 

[ChargerBill]

I love it! I can't wait to hear the explanations as to how the drivers are wrong about this....let the excuses apologetics fly.

[TheGhost]

How is this legal?  I thought they could only use cars 2 years old or younger?  The Intrepid went out in 03, which should disqualify it from NASCAR.  Right?

[ramminon]

The two year old body style rule was true during the Winston cup days but now will Nextel Cup anything goes

[89MOPAR]

3 dodges in the top 10 but it's a bad race vehicle ??
Quit "haterizing"...

[Duey]

Does anybody seriously think of any NASCAR racer as a Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Taurus, Charger, Intrepid, etc....?

Honestly, about the late 80's was the last time that you could reasonably call a car by its model name and be close to telling the truth.  Today's cars are so rigidly templated by NASCAR that very slight alterations and the engine are about the only things that separate one from the next...IMHO...

Cheers,
Duey

[TruckDriver]

I watched Wind Tunnel on Speed last night too. I also heard it there. I guess teams have been asking Dodge for a new nose and they have not been getting any answers on it. So this is why they are doing it. If any of you follow CASCAR, the Canadian version of NASCAR, you know they have a completely different nose. I love how CASCAR cars actually look mostly stock appering, even the Charger looks reasonably stock compared to NASCARS. They even had CASCARS VP on last night, and Dave asked him about the rumors if NASCAR was going to buy them out. The VP pretty much indicated no, but he did say he was working with NASCAR.

[BrianShaughnessy]

Nascar is testing the "car of the future" which is some sort of one size fits all car except for the nose.       I'm sure it'll play out to a one size fits all motor (ie: chebbie) soon.

[69_500]

I believe the comment was that the teams are talking about taking the Intrepid to Homestead next week to use. That is because this season would be the last year that they could run an Intrepid in NASCAR.

Also its not Dodge that isn't getting them a new front end, its Nascar dragging its feet on giving the okay to a new front end.

[andy74]

How is this legal?   I thought they could only use cars 2 years old or younger?   The Intrepid went out in 03, which should disqualify it from NASCAR.   Right?

the intrepid was built into 04 as a 04 model,so they can technically use it this year,if i was newman or rusty i would,but jeremy shouldnt be bothered,he will still finish 9th,a head of kurt the pussy busch

[Shakey]

The two year old body style rule was true during the Winston cup days but now will Nextel Cup anything goes

Can they bring back the Daytona from '69?

[Shakey]

Here are a couple of pics of the CASCAR's used this year.

I threw in the picture of Peter Gibbons Monte Carlo as I was his catch can man in 2001 and his spotter in 2001.

[Chris G.]

Also its not Dodge that isn't getting them a new front end, its Nascar dragging its feet on giving the okay to a new front end.

I agree. Most people only see the headline. They don't actually read what is happening.

[70charginglizard]

3 dodges in the top 10 but it's a bad race vehicle ??
Quit "haterizing"...

I don't believe I was haterizing. I was just stating what I heard from that Nascar race yesterday. The Nascar guys obviously see a problem with the front end of the car or they wouldn't be doing what there considering. That's what Nascar is for.... isn't it? To show obvious inadiqacies in a vehicles aerodynamic shape and design so they can make it better in production. Right? At least thats the way things use to work in the past.

Sounds to me like your afraid of something being provin here? sympathizing perhaps???

[69_500]

I just wish they would race a car that actually looks like the street versions. If you can make a street version of the Charger and it has an aerodynamic equivalent of 0.27 say, and the street version of the Monte Carlo is 0.35 say. Then I would say that each manufactuer needs to do better. But when all 3 brands are racing the same body, i mean what difference is there they all 3 use the same templates any more, then what is the point of having 3 makes in NASCAR? Other than their engines, there is no difference. Everyone has to use the same gear ratio, same bodies, everything is the same. Let one group build something, and if it is that much better than the others, they need to come up with something new. That is my philosophy. If the chevy is that far ahead of the dodges and fords, then they need to step up and design something better. But NASCAR shouldn't in turn say, no you can't use that because it gives you an advantage. If they get something better then it would be say Chevies turn to come up with something new. Let them design and use whatever they can come up with, since your not really making them race a stock car anymore anyways.

[ChargerRT440]

The whole deal with the Charger nose (I believe) is that it crumples really easily or something like that. I've seen alot of collisions with those cars and the nose just seems to be a weakpoint. Also the fact that they hold garbage on the nose really well. the manufacturer won't admit their's a problems and Nascar won't admit that it'd be alot more exciting if they went back to running almost stock cars

[TheGhost]

The two year old body style rule was true during the Winston cup days but now will Nextel Cup anything goes

So, you are saying someone can race with a 97 Grand Prix now, for exampe?

[TheGhost]

3 dodges in the top 10 but it's a bad race vehicle ??
Quit "haterizing"...

I don't believe I was haterizing. I was just stating what I heard from that Nascar race yesterday. The Nascar guys obviously see a problem with the front end of the car or they wouldn't be doing what there considering. That's what Nascar is for.... isn't it? To show obvious inadiqacies in a vehicles aerodynamic shape and design so they can make it better in production. Right? At least thats the way things use to work in the past.

Well, that might be true, if NASCAR actually used stock bodies....

[Ponch ®]

the intrepid was built into 04 as a 04 model,so they can technically use it this year...

Correctomundo. In fact, this weekend some of the "back marker" and "go or go home" teams that run Dodges were running (or attempting to run) last year's intrepid body, since those teams usually buy old cars from the bigger teams.

Nascar is testing the "car of the future" which is some sort of one size fits all car except for the nose.           I'm sure it'll play out to a one size fits all motor (ie: chebbie) soon.

it is kind of a "one size fits all", but apparently the noses and A-pillars will be more like the production cars. I'm all for the COT, since its supposed to make boxier, and boxier = Craftsman Trucks-type of racing

COT Monte Carlo:  


http://jayski.com/schemes/misc/cot-chevy-atlanta.jpg

http://jayski.com/schemes/misc/cot-petty-atlanta.jpg

This is NASCAR's own version of the COT-Charger:



PS - that CASCAR Charger is pretty cool.

[89MOPAR]

 I don't think the purpose of Nascar aerodynamic tweaks is too help the production vehicle.  They approved a "different" nose than the production vehicle to help get downforce at the front of the car. Which the street car doesn't need.
You are  right I jumped the gun, I was haterizing against D-C getting slammed as usual on the boards, instead of people being happy they are involved deeply in motorsports and aftermarket development. 

[RT DAVE]

If it's true, it's just the dodge teams trying to force nascar to allow a different nose on the charger.  If they use the intrepid, my best guess is dodge will put more pressue on Nascar to change the nose on the Charger.   Just my opinion.

[1970440RT]

     The Dodge drivers and crew chiefs are complaining they can't find a good balance for the car.  Minute changes to adjust on the car are causing major changes in the way it drives.  This car was aerodynamically designed and submitted on last years aero package.  When nascar shortened the spoiler in the offseason,  it threw the car off.  This car was designed specifically to dominate on the "cookie cutter" tracks which makes up most of the schedule.  After the aero change, we all can see the how well they did on the mile and a half tracks, horrendous.  Dodge did not plan for how the rules change affected the car.  They are submitting a new nose to correct these issues.

The whole deal with the Charger nose (I believe) is that it crumples really easily or something like that. I've seen alot of collisions with those cars and the nose just seems to be a weakpoint. Also the fact that they hold garbage on the nose really well. the manufacturer won't admit their's a problems and Nascar won't admit that it'd be alot more exciting if they went back to running almost stock cars

The structure underneath the skin of the vehicle is the same for all manufacturers.

I just wish they would race a car that actually looks like the street versions. If you can make a street version of the Charger and it has an aerodynamic equivalent of 0.27 say, and the street version of the Monte Carlo is 0.35 say. Then I would say that each manufactuer needs to do better. But when all 3 brands are racing the same body, i mean what difference is there they all 3 use the same templates any more, then what is the point of having 3 makes in NASCAR? Other than their engines, there is no difference. Everyone has to use the same gear ratio, same bodies, everything is the same. Let one group build something, and if it is that much better than the others, they need to come up with something new. That is my philosophy. If the chevy is that far ahead of the dodges and fords, then they need to step up and design something better. But NASCAR shouldn't in turn say, no you can't use that because it gives you an advantage. If they get something better then it would be say Chevies turn to come up with something new. Let them design and use whatever they can come up with, since your not really making them race a stock car anymore anyways.

Interesting note: The hood, roof and trunk are supposed to match the production vehicles dimensions.  Not so with the car of tomorrow.

     At least Ted Musgrave has a chance to win the Truck championship.  I can wear my Mopar hat proudly at work!     

[chrisII]

How is this legal?   I thought they could only use cars 2 years old or younger?   The Intrepid went out in 03, which should disqualify it from NASCAR.   Right?

the intrepid was built into 04 as a 04 model,so they can technically use it this year,if i was newman or rusty i would,but jeremy shouldnt be bothered,he will still finish 9th,a head of kurt the pussy busch

did kurt get a one race gig?? is he even legaly allowed to do so being that he is only "suspended" and still contracted to roush?? i wasnt expecting to see him race

     now the question comes up, WHY DIDNT THEY DO THIS EARLYER IN THE SEASON???  dugh didnt the teams realise they could still run a car that was good?

[69_500]

That is what I was talking about how a team designs a car to fit into the rules. Then because NASCAR looks at how it will perform and that it might dominate, they lower the spoiler to change the aero package. Hence pretty much 

The dodge teams came up with a great aero designed car to do well on the 1.5 mile tracks, then NASCAR cuts down the spoilers on the cars. Hence pretty much ruining all their design.

Oh well maybe next year they will come up with something better again. 3 Dodge made the Chase, but it appears that they may be 7-8-9 in the end. Which would be sad.

[1970440RT]

     Even if Dodge does come up with something better, NA$CAR will make sure that they are not dominant.  That will always be a Chevy.  It is a shame but it is true.