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[Tilar]

The only ones that think it's against the law is the school system and they are teaching the kids that it's ok to disobey their parents. There are no laws against paddling or spanking your child. At least not in Ohio or Texas. There are laws against abuse as it should be, but not spanking.

[Old Moparz]

  Now seriously I don't think singling out Silver68 and Bronzy is a good idea,.. i know sometimes (like me) they both post stuff that grinds on us/you but, I don't think they're deserving of ridicule,..
Even that dopey mustang hater teen seemed to me to be looking for some boundaries and limitations, when he'd post his whack stuff, I suspect that's why some kids act up and act out,.. because they ain't getting the guidance they need at home,.. and a  or belt isn't probably the best first solution, that's just what happens when parents allow their kids to stray too far, and don't have real parenting skills to keep them from going off track in the first place. IMO..
  But saying you whack your kids around and it's good for them and more kids deserve it doesn't score any point with me,.. infact quite the opposite. 

I'll agree with that, & that's why I pointed out the two people I knew from when I was a kid in my first post. Not every person, or incident of getting disciplined, is the same, so it's impossible to make a blanket statement covering all of it. I see it now with my friends or people my wife knows who have kids. The ones who use the modern idea that you can reason, or talk nicely, or treat the kid as an equal adult have no clue. Their kids are in charge, period. Kids should be treated with respect, not as a pet, but since they're kids, they still need to learn what's right & what's wrong.

My friends with kids, either have kids you like & don't mind being around, or you can't wait to get the hell away from them. One friend who I don't hang out with much anymore, has a 10 year old boy that constantly whines like a spoiled debutant from a reality show when he doesn't get his way. Less than 5 minutes into being at a car cruise, he's miserable & makes it known. My friend goes about his business ignoring it, but it drives me insane to try to talk over junior's moaning & interrupting.

One woman my wife "used to be" friends with, has an 8 year old boy who doesn't listen, constantly gets into trouble, breaks everything he touches, talks back to his Mom, & has a vocabulary filled with vulgarity. This woman is a college graduate from a fairly well off family & currently a school teacher. You'd think she has an idea of what to do when it comes to raising a kid, but obviously not. Her kid was even tossed out of one of those expensive, alternative teaching method, Montessori schools because of his behavior. (isn't that ironic?....lol)

Montessori:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori

As a kid I think my Mother smacked my ass a half dozen times at most, & my Dad only once. I learned quick that the threat was enough. What was worse though, was that my Mom was someone who had absolutely no issue with public embarrassment. If I was acting up in a store, she'd look at me & announce very loudly, "Do you want me to spank you in front of all the people in this store?" Of course with everyone in the store now watching & listening, I'd say no & behave. I know damn well my Mom would have done it.

[dkn1997]

This really puts things into perspective!

It's cool to read about the days of child abuse -- thank goodness we have evolved and kids aren't dragged anymore legally.  Kim

Yes, because discipline is a bad thing.

Look at our culture 50 years ago.  Notice how there weren't school shootings and work shootings and the like every other week back then?  Notice how respectful people were back then?  Moral and family values were held in high esteem.  And people knew there were consequences for their actions.

Look at our culture now.  Need I say more?

Don't get me wrong, too much discipline is a bad thing, as well.  Nor was life perfect 50 years ago.  Far from it.  However, today, most parents are too damn scared to even rebuke their children, for fear of having social services called on them.  We've got children brought up to expect the world to be handed to them on a silver platter, simply because they think they deserve it.  50 years ago, it was understood that to gain anything, you actually had to work for it.  You actually had to EARN it to deserve it.

I wonder... were your parents the kind who used too much discipline, that you despise it so much as an adult?

Well, I don't want to get all profound here...but if you think about it...who are today's bad parents? Those kids from the 50s-60's!

I gotta agree there. 50's and 60's people love to get all high and mighty about how it was back then...and their kids are the proud parents of this generation of "gimme" losers. 

tough to place all of the blame on them... the real problem is that the world went ahead and got way too big, too anonymous.  With no accountability, it's natural for people to run amok.  It sure pisses me off and it's no free pass, but if the world was a smaller place, people would be far less likely to pull some of the nonsense that goes on today.

[teamroth]

I have no problem spanking my kids, public, private, whatever. I had to do it for a short while with my son, because of the divorce. Everyone on my ex's side spoils him to death. I very rarely even have to correct him anymore. Haven't spanked him in years. I remember I acted up once, and my dad made me help him build the paddle that was used on my ass. I didn't really believe that it was for me, until after it was done. Abuse is one thing discipline another. Things really are different now. I attribute it to advances in everything, but mostly from technology. We have everything we need at our fingertips, and that makes us lazy and inattentive. 99% of the time it is the parents poor rearing of the child that makes the behavior poor in return. And the parent sits there puzzled or goes on Dr. Phil to ask why? You don't need Dr. Phil, you just need to pay attention to your kids. I also think that we in America put too much emphasis on our kids. You hear lots of people say "my kids are my life" but that is not how it should be. Your kids are part of your life, and should be treated as such. In America some parents decide to revolve their entire life around their kids, in Europe the kids are mixed in with everything else. No kids menus, no special meals because you don't like what everyone else is eating, you get kid sized portions of what adults eat, and that is how it is. My EX is guilty of all these things, and when the kids are with me they are treated like mini-adults.In short(yeah right) I still drug/drag my kids to things. Museums, adult functions, parties(not crazy get drunk parties, but social get togethers), not church(will let them decide on their own). I try to take lessons from what my parents did right and use them, and learn from the things done wrong.

Sorry, I'm long winded sometimes.
Peace!

[defiance]

And can you all BELIEVE how many times them dern kids need to be reminded to get off your LAWN?  Why back in your day, theyda cut yer legs off at the kneecaps the first time you took an unauthorized step on such a well manicured swath o' grass.  And you don't see so many disciplinary problems from that generation, do ya?  O' course not, cuz the bad seeds get summarily executed the next time they tried it!  Now them kids better git off, before you hyperbole at them some more!!

[bull]

The paddle seems to have helped in this school: http://www.newsweek.com/id/195119?Gt1=43002

Excerpt:

"Before (principal) Nixon took over "John C," student behavior had gotten so bad that one teacher described it as "chaos." She eventually quit in disgust, pulled her own child from the school, and moved to a different one 45 minutes away. John C is located in a rural stretch of South Carolina near the Georgia border where all but one of the major textile plants have closed, and where the leading local employer is the school system. Nearly 90 percent of the kids at John C live below the poverty line. When Nixon went to his first PTO meeting, only about a dozen parents showed up at a school with 226 students. He still has trouble reaching many families by phone because they can't afford to put down a deposit on a landline. And yet Nixon has managed to turn John C around. It recently earned three statewide Palmetto awards, one for academic performance and two for overall improvement—the school's first such honors in its 35-year history. Not everyone agrees with his methods, but most parents and teachers will tell you he couldn't have pulled off such a turnaround without his wooden paddle."

[Brock Samson]

 

well the a-bomb worked too.. 

[Sublime/Sixpack]

This really puts things into perspective!

I suppose what any one person gets from reading this article will be based on their perspective.

Personally I grew up in the 50's and 60's and when I read this I had to chuckle. I related to what was in the article, but I didn't read it as being child abuse. Yes, I felt that I was dragged here, dragged there, but not LITERALLY! There were things I was expected to do and places I was expected to go. If I screwed up, there were consequences. Looking back I feel that for the most part it was all for my good.

I do feel sorry for any person that was abused as a child, and any child that is being abused today.

[bull]

well the a-bomb worked too.. 

Right, but I didn't see where the principal actually killed anyone to solve the problems.

[Tilar]

The paddle seems to have helped in this school: http://www.newsweek.com/id/195119?Gt1=43002

Excerpt:

"Before (principal) Nixon took over "John C," student behavior had gotten so bad that one teacher described it as "chaos." She eventually quit in disgust, pulled her own child from the school, and moved to a different one 45 minutes away. John C is located in a rural stretch of South Carolina near the Georgia border where all but one of the major textile plants have closed, and where the leading local employer is the school system. Nearly 90 percent of the kids at John C live below the poverty line. When Nixon went to his first PTO meeting, only about a dozen parents showed up at a school with 226 students. He still has trouble reaching many families by phone because they can't afford to put down a deposit on a landline. And yet Nixon has managed to turn John C around. It recently earned three statewide Palmetto awards, one for academic performance and two for overall improvement—the school's first such honors in its 35-year history. Not everyone agrees with his methods, but most parents and teachers will tell you he couldn't have pulled off such a turnaround without his wooden paddle."

Good for him!

[dkn1997]

I think I am going to institute a paddling policy at my job.  I may modify it to a "smack in the back of the head"    policy.  I have the biggest smile on my face right now