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318 cam?

Started by paulgrr63, April 28, 2009, 01:29:01 PM

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paulgrr63

I am sure this topic has been beaten hundreds of times but I gotta ask. What is a good cam for a 318? It is all stock and was thinking about getting this package from summit http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CMB-03-0162&view=1&N=700+

After doing some reading I'm starting to think the Lunati cam might not be such a great idea? Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks

Rolling_Thunder

you look to have a 73 Dodge Charger...   If your engine is indeed all stock you'll be fighting a low 8.6:1 compression ratio...     the way to make power with this is to go very conservative on the cam...   less overlap allows for less cylinder bleed off...         

Realize that this engine needs compression to really make power.
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

paulgrr63

I was thinking about adding some 360 heads as well.

WingCharger

Your Charger is SHARP!! :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

paulgrr63


mopar_nut_440_6

That engine would be perfect for turbocharging!
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

paulgrr63

Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on April 28, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
That engine would be perfect for turbocharging!

Dont get any ideas :icon_smile_big:

mopar_nut_440_6

Haha... I have seen /6's bone stock internals running high 12's on street tires and getting 20 MPG!
1968 Charger R/T 440 
2004 Dodge Ram 2500 680 HP Cummins with attitude

bordin34

While the 360 heads have bigger valves and ports, they also have a larger combustion chamber which will further reduce your compression ratio.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

paulgrr63

Quote from: bordin34 on April 28, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
While the 360 heads have bigger valves and ports, they also have a larger combustion chamber which will further reduce your compression ratio.

In other words....stay away from them?

Rolling_Thunder

Quote from: paulgrr63 on April 28, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: bordin34 on April 28, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
While the 360 heads have bigger valves and ports, they also have a larger combustion chamber which will further reduce your compression ratio.

In other words....stay away from them?

unless you plan on rebuilding the bottom end with different pistons...       

If you're keeping the stock short block than yes - stay sway from the 360 heads...   

1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

paulgrr63

Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on April 28, 2009, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: paulgrr63 on April 28, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: bordin34 on April 28, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
While the 360 heads have bigger valves and ports, they also have a larger combustion chamber which will further reduce your compression ratio.

In other words....stay away from them?

unless you plan on rebuilding the bottom end with different pistons...       

If you're keeping the stock short block than yes - stay sway from the 360 heads...   


Ok thanks. So here is what I have so far that I am going to order. Edelbrock Performer Dual plane intake, Holly avenger carb(670cfm), TTI headers, and this cam: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN-60401

How does this look?


firefighter3931

I like that package but would change the cam profile for something more conservative. What are the rear end gears ? Stock torque converter ?


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

paulgrr63

I can get my hands on 1994 Magnum heads. Should I bite?

paulgrr63

Quote from: firefighter3931 on April 28, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
I like that package but would change the cam profile for something more conservative. What are the rear end gears ? Stock torque converter ?


Ron

I have 2.71 gears in the rear (Thanks 69CoronetRT :cheers:). And yes, it is a stock torque converter(Plan on getting a 2250 stall soon)

firefighter3931

Quote from: paulgrr63 on May 01, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on April 28, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
I like that package but would change the cam profile for something more conservative. What are the rear end gears ? Stock torque converter ?


Ron

I have 2.71 gears in the rear (Thanks 69CoronetRT :cheers:). And yes, it is a stock torque converter(Plan on getting a 2250 stall soon)

Personally, i would be looking to swap in some deeper gears long before upgrading the tq converter.  :yesnod:

Those 2.71's with a stock 318 will make the car feel very slow....a gearset will really wake it up. How tall are your back tires ? Taller tires only compound the problem by reducing the final drive ratio so that needs to be taken into account when picking gears.  :Twocents:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

paulgrr63

Quote from: firefighter3931 on May 01, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: paulgrr63 on May 01, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on April 28, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
I like that package but would change the cam profile for something more conservative. What are the rear end gears ? Stock torque converter ?


Ron

I have 2.71 gears in the rear (Thanks 69CoronetRT :cheers:). And yes, it is a stock torque converter(Plan on getting a 2250 stall soon)

Personally, i would be looking to swap in some deeper gears long before upgrading the tq converter.  :yesnod:

Those 2.71's with a stock 318 will make the car feel very slow....a gearset will really wake it up. How tall are your back tires ? Taller tires only compound the problem by reducing the final drive ratio so that needs to be taken into account when picking gears.  :Twocents:


Ron

I will measure them tomorrow :cheers:

paulgrr63

The back tires are 24".

firefighter3931

Paul, any plans to go with a taller tire ? A set of 3.23-3.55 gears would be my choice.  :yesnod:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

paulgrr63

Quote from: firefighter3931 on May 02, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
Paul, any plans to go with a taller tire ? A set of 3.23-3.55 gears would be my choice.  :yesnod:



Ron

I am leaving the tires that it has now. I think they look good :yesnod:

This might be a stupid question......but where do I get the gear set? Exactly what do I have to order? Again, forgive me for the stupid questions. I'm not the most car savvy person. Im still learning! :cheers:

firefighter3931

Dr Diff can fix you up with all the needed parts  :2thumbs:

doctordiff@gmail.com



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

paulgrr63

Quote from: firefighter3931 on May 03, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
Dr Diff can fix you up with all the needed parts  :2thumbs:

doctordiff@gmail.com



Ron

Sent him a message. Thanks for all your help :cheers:

paulgrr63

Quote from: firefighter3931 on May 03, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
Dr Diff can fix you up with all the needed parts  :2thumbs:

doctordiff@gmail.com



Ron


Still no response :shruggy:

Purple440

Who is this Dr Diff anyway?  I'm looking for a set of 3:91's....