My rare 68 4 speed Charger! Here is my fender tag pic.

[Ghoste]

It's helping us all believe me.  I'm obviously taking the "prove it" stance right now but Mopar did a lot of strange things and if it proves out one way or the other it just helps us all to know that much more about these cars.

[68charger383]

I can't claim to be a guru but everything I have (including Galens White Books) shows the 330 and 335 horse 383's in 68 as having four barrel carbs and the two barrel as being a 290 or 270 horse.

Nice score: 

69coronetRT will probably know the answer:

I've seen previous discussions on the difference between the 330 HP and 335 HP cars somewhere on here. I think only the Superbees and RR came with the 335 HP motors and the "H" chargers only had the 330 HP cars. The 383 G is a 2 bbl 290 HP motor. Looks like someone may have added parts. 

[Ghoste]

"G" can be a two barrel or a four barrel in the Charger.  "H" is the 335 and yes, just for Super Bee or Road Runner.  At least that is how I understand it.

[bull]

I've never heard of two different 'G' codes but I have heard of two different 'H' codes. Perhaps Galen messed up because every pice of literature I've seen to date indicates there was only one engine specified for the '68 'G' code Charger and that's the 290 horse 383.

[kikgas01]

I thought (originally) the difference from a 335 horse to a 330 horse was airconditioning. Love learning new things I will tell ya that. This car only has 68,000 one owner miles and I will say it again. He didn`t change ANYTHING to make it faster or neater or anything. In fact he ordered it with "road wheels" but when he tood delivery of the car it had steel wheels because the road wheels were recalled for some reason and anyway they had to refund 92 dollars to him. Anyone know anything about these wheels?

[bull]

Do you have the build sheet?

[bull]

Wonder whats up with the manifolds? Could the dealer have installed the 2bbl. The guy ordered it that way and they charged him for him 60 some bucks for it! The 383 with the 2bbl carb should have been standard shouldn`t it? Should be no charge for it. My last 68 charger was a h code so I know u could get thee 335 horse in chargers to. the numbers will be neat to look at as well as pulling the pan.

That's another odd thing -- charging $70 for a two barrel carb. I don't get it. Are you sure the seller isn't trying to snow you?

[kikgas01]

I asked him when I bought it. He said he didn`t recall seeing it under the back seat but it might be there. The seats are out and when I pick it up, I will know more. It says right on the paper work from when it was new it was suppose to have the wheels on it. Like The old man said that owned it since new, they had a recall on them.

[kikgas01]

Wonder whats up with the manifolds? Could the dealer have installed the 2bbl. The guy ordered it that way and they charged him for him 60 some bucks for it! The 383 with the 2bbl carb should have been standard shouldn`t it? Should be no charge for it. My last 68 charger was a h code so I know u could get thee 335 horse in chargers to. the numbers will be neat to look at as well as pulling the pan.

That's another odd thing -- charging $70 for a two barrel carb. I don't get it. Are you sure the seller isn't trying to snow you?

Please look at the first page in this thread on the sales order. Its marked on there AND has a charge for it. Its on the original paper work

[Ghoste]

It wouldn't be the Gurus first mistake Bull thats for sure.  Thats part of why I'm such a skeptic where anything connected to him is concerned.  Not because of his knowledge, which is far far greater than mine will ever be, but more because of the "Galen sayeth thus so let no man put asunder" aspect.
I can say that the 68 parts catalog only shows ONE two barrel 383 and ONE four barrel 383 and it is a September 1967 copy so it predates Road Runner information I believe.

[Ghoste]

The two barrel was an optional engine so the 70 dollars is for the whole thing, not just the carb.  The origianl owner of your car would have been paying it too Bull.

[bull]

Wonder whats up with the manifolds? Could the dealer have installed the 2bbl. The guy ordered it that way and they charged him for him 60 some bucks for it! The 383 with the 2bbl carb should have been standard shouldn`t it? Should be no charge for it. My last 68 charger was a h code so I know u could get thee 335 horse in chargers to. the numbers will be neat to look at as well as pulling the pan.

That's another odd thing -- charging $70 for a two barrel carb. I don't get it. Are you sure the seller isn't trying to snow you?

Please look at the first page in this thread on the sales order. Its marked on there AND has a charge for it. Its on the original paper work

I was just looking at the Iowa certificate of title which says 1969 under the VIN. You'd think he would have titled it sooner than 1969.

[Ghoste]

I thought it said 68?

[bull]

The two barrel was an optional engine so the 70 dollars is for the whole thing, not just the carb.  The origianl owner of your car would have been paying it too Bull.

I meant in relation to any HP designation. But yea, it still seems odd that you have to pay for a downgrade but that's the way it goes when you order something specific as such.

[kikgas01]

It wouldn't be the Gurus first mistake Bull thats for sure.  Thats part of why I'm such a skeptic where anything connected to him is concerned.  Not because of his knowledge, which is far far greater than mine will ever be, but more because of the "Galen sayeth thus so let no man put asunder" aspect.
I can say that the 68 parts catalog only shows ONE two barrel 383 and ONE four barrel 383 and it is a September 1967 copy so it predates Road Runner information I believe.

I don`t understand. I am not trying to pull anything guys.

[bull]

I thought it said 68?

Maybe. The guy might have bought it new but it may have sat around a while getting who-knows-what done to it by the dealership.

[Ghoste]

I am not in any way implying that you are, only trying to know and verify.  This research is part of the fun about these old cars.  It carcheology.

[bull]

It wouldn't be the Gurus first mistake Bull thats for sure.  Thats part of why I'm such a skeptic where anything connected to him is concerned.  Not because of his knowledge, which is far far greater than mine will ever be, but more because of the "Galen sayeth thus so let no man put asunder" aspect.
I can say that the 68 parts catalog only shows ONE two barrel 383 and ONE four barrel 383 and it is a September 1967 copy so it predates Road Runner information I believe.

I don`t understand. I am not trying to pull anything guys.

We're not talking about you, we're talking about a possible oversight by Galen and/or the previous owner.

[kikgas01]

ohhhh sorry. If anyone wants to look at it they are more than welcome. I just appreciate all of the help figuring out what the car actually is. Either way it`s a pretty cool car but needs a lot to restore it. It`s definatly worth doing though. The guy has no reason to lie to me on anything about the car, he wasn`t trying to sell it. I just stumbled across it. Thats all. That is why he has no reason to pull my leg. Heck I have the paper work from when he ordered it new.

[Ghoste]

Here are the 383 engine option availabilities for the Charger and the standard 383 for the Super Bee as indicated in the 1968 dealer data book.

[Ghoste]

I don't think anyone is thinking the guy you bought it from is trying anything either.  There are a lot of Mopar mysteries out there waiting to be solved and when it comes to the two barrel 383 Chargers, especially 1968 four speed ones, I don't think anyone has researched them as much as Bull. 
What are your plans for the restoration, bone stock as delivered or are you going to take some personal liberties?

[kikgas01]

If I keep it, it would be totally original with no changes even as much as I like electronic ignition. It`s to rare to mess up I think. I know I am not gonna keep it with the "I`m gonna fix her up someday and never do it intentions" I will sell it first so it gets the resteration it deserves. I am a bit unclear about the 69 on the title so here are 2 more photos of it.I kind of leaped before I looked when I bought it.

[Ghoste]

I think thats just a typing error, everything else on that sheet indicates the car and the year of registration both as being 1968.

[bull]

FWIW I don't think it's even possible to get 330 horse out of a 383 w/a 2bbl.

[mopar_nut_440_6]

FWIW I don't think it's even possible to get 330 horse out of a 383 w/a 2bbl.

Maybe with a big Holley 2 Bbl. The oval track guys make big horsepower with them.