My rare 68 4 speed Charger! Here is my fender tag pic.

[kikgas01]

Well, it`s a 1 owner,68,000 mile 68 Charger,383 magnum with a 2bbl carb (YES a magnum 383 2bbl carb 330 horse) all numbers matching,special order (or sold car if you will)....His idiot son in law started tearing it apart but THANKFULLY they have every nut, bolt and part bagged and tagged. I will post more pics when it gets home. Any ides what it`s worth? It needs a lot of metal, but the unibody is solid meaning frame rails.
More pics to come. Here is the original order sheet from 1968!!!

[Ghoste]

I don't know what it would be worth and I can't wait to see more pics of the car but I will argue about the 2 barrel Magnum.  Part of the Magnum that made it so was the four barrel.  The "G" in the vin does indicate it was a 383 car, but when it was a 383 two barrel it was a 290 hp engine.
The other paperwork is interesting though as well because I'm wondering if that is the dealership where my Road Runner came from.  It was sold new in Waterloo, Iowa but I don't remember who the dealer was.  Was Simpson Motors just a Dodge Chrysler dealer or did they move Plymouth as well?

[kikgas01]

They sold plymouth as well. Galen said that the 330 horse 383 was a 2bbl "G" code and the 335 horse is a 4bbl "H" code. Look at the manifolds.HP Right on the block it says 383-hp. This is original right down to the paint. The 383 335 horse is a "H" code, and the 290 horse(2bbl non hp) and 330 horse which is a 383  "special order hp with a 2 bbl IS a g code but IS a magnum. They needed a code if you will for a special ordered 383 hp with a 2bbl carb which got the code G.
The 330 horse had everything BUT the 4bbl. It`s a 383 hp. However the 290 horse is a non HP due to not having the same cam,exhaust and so on. I have some paper work from Galen. That is why it`s a "unique" car. I`ve heard many stories of how they would build a car the way you wanted it and this is one of "them cars".

[bull]

That's a 2bbl VIN, one of 74 made, just like mine. Looks like no vinyl top which is pretty rare too, just like mine. What's the build date? Is it 5/31? I see it was titled in June and it makes sense that it would be mid-year 68 with a Hurst shifter. Good find! This is about the 5th or 6th one I've ever seen.

[Ghoste]

I can't claim to be a guru but everything I have (including Galens White Books) shows the 330 and 335 horse 383's in 68 as having four barrel carbs and the two barrel as being a 290 or 270 horse.

[kikgas01]

Yup, it`s a 2bbl vin BUT the engins says HP and has the HP manifolds. I like the options it has like the locking gas cap. power disc brakes,manual steering 4-speed,355 sure grip, tach Music master radio and the buddy seat or fold down armrest lol.

[skip68]

That is a cool find.     Looking at those prices for extras is cool too.  More pics please.   

[ChgrSteve67]

Congratulations on your score!

How soon before you pick up where the son in law left off?

Or do you plan on just flipping it?

[bull]

Yup, it`s a 2bbl vin BUT the engins says HP and has the HP manifolds.

Then it's not a numbers-matching engine or it got HP heads and manifolds put on it at some point. XP29G8B means it's a non-hp 383 with non-hp heads and a 2bbl rated at 290 horse. The 'H' code can mean either 330 or 335 horse 4bbl but 'G' is for 290 horse 2bbl. The factory would not have made any exceptions to go against the VIN. The dealer could have but it makes no sense that someone would have ordered it as a non-HP car just to have the dealership change it unless it was ordered wrong and he didn't want to hassle with a return. If it is an HP engine it should have a partial VIN stamping on the top of the bellhousing flange that would match part of the VIN but the 'G' code '68s didn't have that. Another oddity is that the 383/2bbl/4spd Chargers got one HP manifold and one log manifold believe it or not.

[Dans 68]

Yup, it`s a 2bbl vin BUT the engins says HP and has the HP manifolds.

Then it's not a numbers-matching engine or it got HP heads and manifolds put on it at some point. XP29G8B means it's a non-hp 383 with non-hp heads and a 2bbl rated at 290 horse. The 'H' code can mean either 330 or 335 horse 4bbl but 'G' is for 290 horse 2bbl. The factory would not have made any exceptions to go against the VIN. The dealer could have but it makes no sense that someone would have ordered it as a non-HP car just to have the dealership change it unless it was ordered wrong and he didn't want to hassle with a return. If it is an HP engine it should have a partial VIN stamping on the top of the bellhousing flange that would match part of the VIN but the 'G' code '68s didn't have that. Another oddity is that the 383/2bbl/4spd Chargers got one HP manifold and one log manifold believe it or not.

I was waiting for Curtis to weigh in on this, and I have to agree with him. Being such a late build date it would certainly have the partial vin stamp on the engine block. Let us know what it says...if it does match then we have a conundrum, but one that will be fun looking into.    If you have not seen this thread http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34882.0.html it gives some insight to the 2-bbl/4-bbl differences.

Dan

[ryan053]

Thats a cool car whatever the case is with the engine. What are your plans for the car?

[tan top]

      good stuff    looking forward to seeing more pictures    .............

[1969chargerrtse]

Wow, how about some info on how you came about it?  That tach was expensive for the times.

[kikgas01]

Ok, I will have it home in a week or so. I knew about this car when I was 10 or so. I seen it at Mc Donalds and talked to the guy. I knew back then how rare it was being a one owner 4 speed car.He told me where he lived and wouldn`t sell it. My friend seen it come back home on a trailer in pieces. (20 some years later) I stopped and ended up buying it. Just making a long story short here. I will look for all of the numbers I can find. I wish someone was close to look at it as well. I will gurantee the car hasn`t been messed with. He wanted to use it to pull a trailer and to use, but wanted a family car so ordered the fold down armrest. Dan you might abd probably are 100% correct as I didn`t know about the manifold deal. If someone is ever in Iowa,stop and look... :2thumbs:At this time seeing the metal work it will need, I am unsure what I will do with it. It needs the typical "Charger metal" I will look at the pass side manifold and look at the top pad under the dist for now. When it gets home I can really look it over.

[Ghoste]

I should make it clear first that I want to congratulate you on getting the car because I've mainly just debated the two barrel Magnum engine.  I am thrilled for you on the car and I am serious about that.
But... further to the other thing, is there any way you could post this info from Galen?  I have searched the order guides, the parts catalogs, brochures, the web and find absolutely no other information anywhere to indiacte that such a thing ever existed.  It doesn't even show up in Galens own books.  I don't argue this to beat you over the head, I'm just trying to educate myself or dispel a myth so don't take it personal.  Cool?

[kikgas01]

[Ghoste]

The fender tag decodes as a 290 horse.  On the bottom row that pair of numbers after the "XP29" works out to code it.

[kikgas01]

I have him on the phone. Here is what he said exactly. The paper work he gave me is from his OWN research, the info from his IDIOT son in law isn`t right. (The son in law is the one who tore the car apart). Now here is the probably incorrect??? paper work for the chargers?
I am by no means no expert but the manifolds are a bit wierd for a 290 horse correct? Again the engine is un touched as far as any changes or "mods" done to it. I know it says a g code 290 horse engine but the manifolds are wierd.

[ryan053]

Now im going to need two hands to count us four speed guys

[kikgas01]

This car is giving me a headache.

[skip68]

    Who cares.     Looks like a cooooool car to me.  Did you get it for a good price ?   

[Ghoste]

No it isn't, giving you a headache, it's all good.  You have a four speed 68 Charger, how great is that?  The "G" being used for two engines in the VIN is the confusing part and I think what we'd find is the two barrel "G" is the 290 horse one that you could get in the Charger.  The four barrel "G" is the 330 horse one as shown.  The "H" is the 335 horse and this is the one you would get in a Super Bee or Road Runner.

[kikgas01]

Wonder whats up with the manifolds? Could the dealer have installed the 2bbl. The guy ordered it that way and they charged him for him 60 some bucks for it! The 383 with the 2bbl carb should have been standard shouldn`t it? Should be no charge for it. My last 68 charger was a h code so I know u could get thee 335 horse in chargers to. the numbers will be neat to look at as well as pulling the pan.

[Ghoste]

Except that the fender tag is still coded for the two barrel.  It is also possible that the manifolds are just what they put on on the line.  Perhaps the engine was rightly or wrongly meant to be an "HP" as it is stamped and the line workers put on the hp manifolds and then for whatever reason it also got the two barrel and was the engine dropped in the car, who knows?  Is it dual exhaust?

[kikgas01]

Except that the fender tag is still coded for the two barrel.  It is also possible that the manifolds are just what they put on on the line.  Perhaps the engine was rightly or wrongly meant to be an "HP" as it is stamped and the line workers put on the hp manifolds and then for whatever reason it also got the two barrel and was the engine dropped in the car, who knows?  Is it dual exhaust?

It has duals on it  right now but  like a dumbass I didn`t think to look to see if it had the 2 factory hanger spots under the back seat area. Thanks for asking and that would DEFINATLEY help to know more. That will be the first thing I look at. Thanks again for helping me find out what I have Ghoste.