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HEMI DAYTONA SEIZED BY THE IRS

Started by nascarxx29, April 18, 2009, 03:16:33 PM

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nascarxx29

April 18, 2009, 03:16:33 PM
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

69bronzeT5

#1
April 18, 2009, 03:21:38 PM
Damn, what a story. Too bad it got seized :rotz:
Feature Editor for Mopar Connection Magazine
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

tan top

#2
April 18, 2009, 03:46:36 PM
 :o  some awesome aero hardware there  :yesnod:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

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Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

maxwellwedge

#3
April 18, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
The link says numbers matching.....I heard the only all numbers matching Hemi Daytona 4-speed is the Bronze Otis Chandler/Kevin G/Tim W car.

tan top

#4
April 19, 2009, 04:31:30 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on April 18, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
The link says numbers matching.....I heard the only all numbers matching Hemi Daytona 4-speed is the Bronze Otis Chandler/Kevin G/Tim W car.

hmmm perhaps its a previously un acounted one .. :popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

FJMG

#5
April 19, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
   Does any body know if this is the one that Gene G. restored in the 80's?

maxwellwedge

#6
April 19, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
That might explain it.

nascarxx29

#7
April 19, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
Gene Gregory restored Jim Hisers hemi daytona that was on ebay.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51453.0.html
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

DonC1

#8
April 20, 2009, 01:11:04 AM
Friend of mine has all matching #'s B5 hemi 'tona 4 speed that hasnt seen the light of day since 75' and probably never will....they're still out there...just well hidden.

maxwellwedge

#9
April 20, 2009, 08:08:02 AM
Cool! I wont ask if he wants to sell - I already know his type as I have a couple buddies just like that.  :icon_smile_big:

My info was based on all known and verified cars which the one in question is.

hemigeno

#10
April 20, 2009, 08:40:19 AM
Just some random thoughts about 4-speed numbers-matching HemiDaytonas...

I thought the other 4-speed car that Phil had (the R4) was also numbers-matching?  The one that has a Corporation Blue paint job now...  I heard a rumor it was numbers-matching...
Is Harold Sullivan's red car numbers-matching?  (not sure about that one)
What about the Black & White car that went to England?

Doug S. probably knows a few more of the details about these and other cars.  Danny knows a few things about a few others :-X

:popcrn:

nascarxx29

#11
April 20, 2009, 11:03:02 AM
Harold Sullivan red daytona which came from Poughkeepsie NY where it sold new.Came to NJ.Started as a rolling body less nose and wing in 1978 for $500.00 .When I had a chance but no $30K funds to get it years later as it was all together. It had a 66 or 67 motor at that time.
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

maxwellwedge

#12
April 20, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
The England car does not match....the others matched 100% when they were brand new  :icon_smile_big:

I'm not sure about the others you mentioned - I was told by an authority - name witheld - that the Chandler car was the only known Hemi stick that really matched.

If Gregory was involved all bets are off.

nascarxx29

#13
April 20, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
Before the car J9B412548 was Greg Josephs and Otis Chandler and other known owners.It was Don Klumps from Pa .The guy who owned and who also had a matching boat.Had it in New Hope PA car show back in 76.Where Don Bought it from 5000 miles on the car which sold from Ambler PA
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

nascarxx29

#14
April 20, 2009, 11:18:24 AM
Here is the story behind the red Harold Sullivan Hemi daytona.Bought for $500.00 in 1978

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

Aero426

#15
April 20, 2009, 11:43:47 AM
Here is the link to the IRS Auction.    They are accepting sealed bids to be opened on June 6th.

http://www.treas.gov/auctions/irs/tuok_auto_3659.htm

nascarxx29

#16
April 20, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
2006 Hemmings ad for same J9B383276 car



1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

A383Wing

#17
April 21, 2009, 09:46:30 PM

triple_green

#18
April 22, 2009, 10:39:38 AM
What are the glitches or risks to bidding on this?

I did not see any minimum starting bid or reserve quoted.

3X
68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

Aero426

#19
April 22, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
The reserve is said to be $269k.   I don't think it will have any problem beating that.   It's a well known car you can inspect before you place a bid.   

Old Moparz

#20
April 22, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
The vultures are circling.  :lol:

               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

PocketThunder

#21
April 22, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: DougSchellinger on April 22, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
The reserve is said to be $269k.   I don't think it will have any problem beating that.   It's a well known car you can inspect before you place a bid.   

Not that i'm going to... but, can you put in more than one bid in this type of auction?  Say one for $275k and one for $325k in case your lower bid gets bumped by one dollar?   :scratchchin:
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

Aero426

#22
April 22, 2009, 09:03:16 PM
There is a deadline where all sealed bids will need to be on the table, so as I see it, there is no second chance.   

triple_green

#23
April 22, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
The IRS has contracted Ventura Classics(in Ok City) to sell the vehicle.

If you bid thru IRS you have to provide form 2222 with a 20% deposit (cashiers check). The auction closes 6/6/09.

68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

Old Moparz

#24
April 23, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: triple_green on April 22, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
The IRS has contracted Ventura Classics(in Ok City) to sell the vehicle.

If you bid thru IRS you have to provide form 2222 with a 20% deposit (cashiers check). The auction closes 6/6/09.




If I read the IRS listing correctly, the 20% you have to include with your bid has a maximum of only $200. You won't need to include $53,800 to bid $269,000 on the car. But it does say whichever is greater, so I may be wrong.


Nevermind.....LOL
               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

PocketThunder

#25
April 23, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: DougSchellinger on April 22, 2009, 09:03:16 PM
There is a deadline where all sealed bids will need to be on the table, so as I see it, there is no second chance.   

But could you not submit more than one bid before the deadline?
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

Old Moparz

#26
April 23, 2009, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on April 23, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: DougSchellinger on April 22, 2009, 09:03:16 PM
There is a deadline where all sealed bids will need to be on the table, so as I see it, there is no second chance.   

But could you not submit more than one bid before the deadline?


Why would you though? It's not ebay, so there are no buttons to up the offer if someone is higher. Just send in one check instead of two or more.
               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

Aero426

#27
April 23, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on April 23, 2009, 03:05:44 PM

But could you not submit more than one bid before the deadline?

If you submit two separate bids, your higher bid would take precedence over your lower bid, even if the lower bid would have won the item.    It is not a proxy bid system like Ebay. 

hemigeno

#28
April 23, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
I know in the governmental (municipal, state & federal) competitive/sealed bidding procedures that I go through, there is no such thing as offering two bids.  That'd be a quick way to get both of them thrown out.

If they allowed such in a competitive/sealed bid scenario, my guess is they'd only "honor" the highest of the two, but you'd better have the 20% deposit checks with both bids, which is effectively a 40% deposit on some serious dollar amounts.


A383Wing

#29
April 23, 2009, 10:17:19 PM
Which is just a bit more than I have to spare...  :brickwall:

triple_green

#30
April 25, 2009, 04:23:02 PM
I called the guy (Brian Goss 918-744-6767) and talked to him. He still needs a cashiers check for 20% of the bid price. You also have to submit a bid letter with all the details of the bid. He says the car is a very nice low mileage original with one repaint in the original color about 10 years ago. He says it drives very well. He had a local Mopar guy come by and all numbers match and it even has much of the original wear items. What he found that was not original was:
battery, tires and wheels, 2 power steering clamps are screw not pinch. One non original resonator, but good repro.

He says the reserve is $270K. If it is not met then, the IRS will have to decide what to do next. He says the owner does not appear to be trying to get it back. He missed his original 10 day claim period and has not visited the car since it has been at Ventura Classics.

Anyone know someone who has bid on this?

Mark
68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

71ChallengeHer

#31
May 09, 2009, 03:18:07 PM

RD

#32
May 22, 2009, 09:58:16 PM
http://www.ustreas.gov/auctions/irs/tuok_auto_3659.htm

dont know if you all have seen this, so forgive me if it is a repost.
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

y3chargerrt

#33
May 23, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
He should have payed his taxes!

mikepmcs

#34
May 23, 2009, 08:58:36 AM
I think it's the same car in this thread?

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56161.0.html
Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

teamroth

#35
May 23, 2009, 10:58:18 AM
What do you wing experts think it is truly worth in todays market/economy?

(everyone can chime in, just curious of the real wingers' opinions)
I'd rather die than go to heaven.

70daytonaclone

#37
May 27, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
IRS laws only apply to corporations. not individuals. I beat the IRS in 1998 and haven't filed since then. amazing what a person can learn from short wave radio and a couple good books. Of course I'm probably on the red list of the HLS!

PocketThunder

#38
May 27, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on May 27, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
IRS laws only apply to corporations. not individuals. I beat the IRS in 1998 and haven't filed since then. amazing what a person can learn from short wave radio and a couple good books. Of course I'm probably on the red list of the HLS!

What are those books?  I had a friend at work that was all about this same thing.
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

moparstuart

#39
May 27, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on May 27, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on May 27, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
IRS laws only apply to corporations. not individuals. I beat the IRS in 1998 and haven't filed since then. amazing what a person can learn from short wave radio and a couple good books. Of course I'm probably on the red list of the HLS!

What are those books?  I had a friend at work that was all about this same thing.
I know too many people nailed by them , I think i will just be on the up and up and pay my taxes .
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

70daytonaclone

#40
May 27, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
yea i forgot i went and thru my pearls before swine. Sorry about that mopar strart! up and up you pay for your own destruction.

moparstuart

#41
May 27, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on May 27, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
yea i forgot i went and thru my pearls before swine. Sorry about that mopar strart! up and up you pay for your own destruction.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

PocketThunder

#42
May 28, 2009, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on May 27, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
yea i forgot i went and thru my pearls before swine. Sorry about that mopar strart! up and up you pay for your own destruction.

what does that mean?  :shruggy:
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

mikepmcs

#43
May 28, 2009, 08:57:42 AM
you beat me to it Paul, i'm curious to what that means as well.
Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

PocketThunder

#44
May 28, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 28, 2009, 08:57:42 AM
you beat me to it Paul, i'm curious to what that means as well.


Google tells me that its an Album by some cat named Tom Rapp.

http://members.chello.nl/cvanderlely/pearls/disco/lyrics.html

But wikipedia tells me its a quotation from the gospel of Luke.  This i would guess is what he is referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearls_before_swine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_holiness

"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

mikepmcs

#45
May 28, 2009, 12:28:34 PM
I like it.  I'll start using it and freak everyone out. :lol:
Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

triple_green

#46
June 11, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
I just got an email from the IRS Treasury agent in charge  of this sale and he said the auction was "adjorned". What does that mean? Is the car still for sale?

Is this the daytona that Troy is selling his daytona (on ebay)in order to try and buy?

Thanks!
Mark
68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

nascarxx29

#47
June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

arrow

#48
June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

Aero426

#49
June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

Dave Kanofsky

#50
June 12, 2009, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

Heck, I'm interested in that car, i just have no funds to back up my interest!
"God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him." John 3:17, NLT

Racers For Christ Chaplain (www.teamrfc.org)

hemi68charger

#51
June 12, 2009, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on June 12, 2009, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

Heck, I'm interested in that car, i just have no funds to back up my interest!

:smilielol:  Me too............
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

moparstuart

#52
June 12, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 12, 2009, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on June 12, 2009, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

Heck, I'm interested in that car, i just have no funds to back up my interest!

:smilielol:  Me too............
story of my life    :D
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

hemi68charger

#53
June 12, 2009, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 12, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 12, 2009, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on June 12, 2009, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

Heck, I'm interested in that car, i just have no funds to back up my interest!

:smilielol:  Me too............
story of my life    :D

Wouldn't that be "me three"?
Troy
'69 Charger Daytona 440 auto 4.10 Dana ( now 426 HEMI )
'70 Superbird 426 Hemi auto: Lindsley Bonneville Salt Flat world record holder (220.2mph)
Houston Mopar Club Connection

Old Moparz

#54
June 12, 2009, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: triple_green on June 11, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
I just got an email from the IRS Treasury agent in charge  of this sale and he said the auction was "adjorned". What does that mean? Is the car still for sale?

Is this the daytona that Troy is selling his daytona (on ebay)in order to try and buy?

Thanks!
Mark


I'd take a guess that the IRS got paid & the auction didn't happen. If that is what happened, I suppose that's a good thing since I'd hate to see anyone lose something because of a tax problem.

Except for a s**t stain like halpgag.
               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

GeneralLeeTESH

#55
June 12, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
The IRS is very aware and dealing with them !  :cheers:
The TESH

pettybird

#56
June 12, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

this Doug doesn't have the money either.    ;)

moparstuart

#57
June 12, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: pettybird on June 12, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: arrow on June 11, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Troys after Dougs 440 4 speed daytona

Wonder if Dougs after this one ??

No, I am not interested in that car...

this Doug doesn't have the money either.    ;)
but maybe his boss does

GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE
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